2020 Arizona Cardinals training camp

[JeffGollin]

Re: "Lamar was fast his rookie year, but he didnt seem as overly impressive as he did in college. Suddenly the following offseason he put on more weight and seemed to get faster."

It's not all just physical athleticism - Mental-processing and the confidence to read and react quickly and explosively are part of the equation that takes a little more time to develop.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Lol... guys who perpetually get injured, perpetually get injured, especially on the wrong side of 30. Signing them to big money deals or giving up assets to get them is dubious enough. Depending on them to be starters after they AGAIN prove their bodies are breaking down is perpetually stupid.

you’re inability to admit people could see this coming is becoming like a certain member of the board’s inability to admit he was wrong about herd immunity.

Admittedly, I share with Keim the inability to see into the future. There is nothing "perpetual" in Alford's injury history and how a broken leg and a pec injury relate is well-beyond my understanding of sports medicine. And Gilbert is not out due to injury.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[BritCard]

Admittedly, I share with Keim the inability to see into the future. There is nothing "perpetual" in Alford's injury history and how a broken leg and a pec injury relate is well-beyond my understanding of sports medicine. And Gilbert is not out due to injury.

Gilbert would have been out due to injury eventually right? We all know that.

He probably opted out so he could say "Well I wasn't injured in 2020".

 

[BritCard]

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I feel like Kyler is being built up to fail. I keep hearing how he's going to take a big leap like Mahomes and LJ did in year two. The problem is that he doesn't have Mahomes and LJs O lines.

Look at Baker Mayfield. Great start as a rookie, big hopes in year 2. The O line got worse and he sucked.

I'm not saying Kyler is going to suck, but there are some things he can't control.

 

[Chopper0080]

How Keim is to blame for a torn ACL, broken leg, Covid-19 and a torn pec escapes me.

It was giving a 29 year old CB who was cut a 3yr 22.5 millions dollar deal.

It was giving oft-injured OT Marcsu Gilbert 4.95 mil.

It was giving a RB a huge deal prior to absolutely needing to.

It was signing Darius Philon to a 5 mil deal and then him having issues.

Sam Bradford's horrendous deal.

Terrell Suggs.

DJ Swearinger.

Jermaine Gresham's extension.

On a individual basis, I agree that none of these are egregious, but as a whole, it is a consistent problem.

 

[Ronin]

Josh Weinfuss
@joshweinfuss
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DeAndre Hopkins is not on the field here at Cardinals training camp during the portion open to the media.

 

[Ronin]

Kyle Odegard
@Kyle_Odegard

Haven’t seen WR DeAndre Hopkins, OLB Chandler Jones nor TE Maxx Willams during open part of practice. T Kelvin Beachum wasn’t participating.

 

[Chopper0080]

Wasted dollars from last year...Kyler's rookie season.

Robert Alford - 6 mil
Marcus Gilbert - 4.95 mil
Terrell Suggs - 7 mil
Darius Philon - 5 mil
DJ Swearinger - 4 mil

If you are counting...that is 26.95 mil wasted last year. 3 of those 5 are no longer on the roster and only two have actually played regular season snaps with the team, and they aren't the two still on our roster.

Now we are on Kyler's second season

Robert Alford - 7.5 mil
Marcus Gilbert - 1 mil

Now we are at 8.5 wasted when we should be maximizing our time with Kyler on a rookie deal. 8.5 mil buys dudes. And 35.45 mil on a roster still needing talent is almost inexcusable.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[GuernseyCard]

Gilbert would have been out due to injury eventually right? We all know that.

He probably opted out so he could say "Well I wasn't injured in 2020".

No, we don't all know that because we can't know that.

 

[GuernseyCard]

It was giving a 29 year old CB who was cut a 3yr 22.5 millions dollar deal.

It was giving oft-injured OT Marcsu Gilbert 4.95 mil.

It was giving a RB a huge deal prior to absolutely needing to.

It was signing Darius Philon to a 5 mil deal and then him having issues.

Sam Bradford's horrendous deal.

Terrell Suggs.

DJ Swearinger.

Jermaine Gresham's extension.

On a individual basis, I agree that none of these are egregious, but as a whole, it is a consistent problem.

Of course when we add it up and put aside "the why?" it adds up to a problem.

Feel fairly certain that the guy who signs the cheques asked "why?" in each case and a convincing argument was made.

 

[kerouac9]

Wasted dollars from last year...Kyler's rookie season.

Robert Alford - 6 mil
Marcus Gilbert - 4.95 mil
Terrell Suggs - 7 mil
Darius Philon - 5 mil
DJ Swearinger - 4 mil

If you are counting...that is 26.95 mil wasted last year. 3 of those 5 are no longer on the roster and only two have actually played regular season snaps with the team, and they aren't the two still on our roster.

Now we are on Kyler's second season

Robert Alford - 7.5 mil
Marcus Gilbert - 1 mil

Now we are at 8.5 wasted when we should be maximizing our time with Kyler on a rookie deal. 8.5 mil buys dudes. And 35.45 mil on a roster still needing talent is almost inexcusable.

You can prolly add David Johnson's dead cap money this year $6 million — and think about Josh Rosen's dead cap last year. Terrell Suggs still has $2 million in dead money on this year's cap.

 

[Ronin]

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[Chopper0080]

Of course when we add it up and put aside "the why?" it adds up to a problem.

Feel fairly certain that the guy who signs the cheques asked "why?" in each case and a convincing argument was made.

I don't think I understand your point. Are you saying that it looks like a problem as a whole but because Bidwill didn't fire him it shouldn't be criticized?

 

[Chopper0080]

You can prolly add David Johnson's dead cap money this year $6 million — and think about Josh Rosen's dead cap last year. Terrell Suggs still has $2 million in dead money on this year's cap.

Agreed, but contract structure is an issue that I think is separate. Also, I personally prefer to just correct mistakes in order to get things right even if there is a cost so I am less sensitive to the David Johnson cap hit as Keim was correcting a mistake. That being said, I am aware he is replacing his own pivot.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I don't think I understand your point. Are you saying that it looks like a problem as a whole but because Bidwill didn't fire him it shouldn't be criticized?

No. I'm saying that Bidwill and Keim made their decisions in "real" time and we, without the benefit of the processed information, are Monday morning QBs.

There are a number of decisions they made that I opposed viscerally and could articulate my misgivings, but not knowing the internal arguments in favour gives me pause when criticizing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No. I'm saying that Bidwill and Keim made their decisions in "real" time and we, without the benefit of the processed information, are Monday morning QBs.

There are a number of decisions they made that I opposed viscerally and could articulate my misgivings, but not knowing the internal arguments in favour gives me pause when criticizing.

Sorry, but the above ignores that some of us slammed those deals in “real time.” You’re trying to use a hindsight argument when there were plenty of posters who had the foresight to see that those were bad deals for EXACTLY the reason we thought they were.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[SoonerLou]

sigh



Guess I gotta stop believing Hakeem Butler is gonna pan out (at least this year)

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[BigRedRage]

sigh

Guess I gotta stop believing Hakeem Butler is gonna pan out (at least this year)

His busy with his YouTube series career

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[Dr. Jones]

I'm telling you..... I just have a big feeling about Jalen Thompson.

Andy would really make me happy, but as a 2nd rounder....... He should contribute IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

Sorry, but the above ignores that some of us slammed those deals in “real time.” You’re trying to use a hindsight argument when there were plenty of posters who had the foresight to see that those were bad deals for EXACTLY the reason we thought they were.

I agree with this. The Philon news seemed to come out of nowhere but you have to think there should have been something in his background to hint at that.

Many on this board knew Suggs washed.

Many on this board were skeptical of the Alford signing.

Many knew Gilbert was a risk (one that I agree with taking).

Many thought Swearinger was hot trash.

Many thought the Bradford deal was terrible.

Same with the Gresham extension.

Same with David Johnson.

The idea that none of these things were foreseeable is pretty silly.

Not to stir the pot, but Keim's willingness to make boom or bust moves has continued with Humphries extension, the drafting of Kyler Murray and Isaiah Simmons, and the signing to Jordan Phillips. All of these moves have a significant amount of risk attached to them that was 100% foreseeable.

What is super funny is that Keim does his best work when he buys low. He bought low on Chandler Jones, Tyrann Mathieu, Deandre Hopkins, Jerraud Powers, Antoine Bethea, Kenyan Drake, Tony Jefferson, JR Sweezy, John Brown and Corey Peters.