24 Hours to Finally Know Once and For All...How Cheap the Cardinals Really Are

[joeshmo]

But I think a savvy FO could talk him into 12, or even 10. Graves falls short.

I would agree with that. I would agree becuase 9 times out of ten we end up signing the guy for what they were mostly asking for in the first place, yet it took 100% more time to do it.

Just look at the Dolphins. They had three players they were thinking about putting the franchise tag on. SS - Bell, OT - Carey, and MLB - Crowder. Didnt have to tag a one of them and resigned all three likiddy-split. And even signed a good SS free agent in Gibril Wilson to go with it. All before free agency and all for decent contracts.

 

[TJ]

Look around the league, who is making a real splash in re-signing their players? Not really anyone. The economic recession is having a more profound effect on the NFL than originally anticipated. There are more teams trimming fat than re-signing talent. Teams like Tampa, KC, NY Jets and others have cut significant contributors already to save money. IMO, there aren't going to be a ton of teams who are going to hit the salary cap.

 

[joeshmo]

So, Warner's $5 Mil this season was a bargain...I'll give you that. But what about his 1st few years here, when he stunk up the joint and everyone was calling for his head. His $4-5 Mil/per was more than he deserved, based on his production. He's lucky Whis stuck with him and gave him the opportunity to comeback and prove he could still play and produce. Can't we just call it even and move on?

With Incentive Warner made 7.5 last yar and 8 mill this Super bowl season. So he wasnt getting paid like some poor QB this whole Time.

 

[joeshmo]

Look around the league, who is making a real splash in re-signing their players? Not really anyone. The economic recession is having a more profound effect on the NFL than originally anticipated. There are more teams trimming fat than re-signing talent. Teams like Tampa, KC, NY Jets and others have cut significant contributors already to save money. IMO, there aren't going to be a ton of teams who are going to hit the salary cap.

Except the Doplhins. Who are making every look just plain silly right now with their re-signings and already signed good SS starter before FA even starts.. Parcells is officially a genious if you didnt already believe that before. He should ask teams to pay him 20 mill a season to get their teams back on track plau a piece of the team. He cuold make the Lions a 500 team in just one offseason.

 

[TJ]

Except the Doplhins. Who are making every look just plain silly right now with their re-signings and already signed good SS starter before FA even starts.. Parcells is officially a genious if you didnt already believe that before. He should ask teams to pay him 20 mill a season to get their teams back on track plau a piece of the team. He cuold make the Lions a 500 team in just one offseason.

Parcells is the ultimate NFL genius. Not only is he a good talent evaluator, but that contract he has with the Dolphins basically gives him more power than the owner for all decisions (gets paid top dollar and can leave whenever he wants). Bidwills could never deal with someone at GM dictating the who, whats and whys of their organization. Miami had $28 mil in cap space going into the off season, so they weren't exactly broke. They did make good signings in Gibril Wilson and Crowder.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't agree with that entire post.

But the Cardinals, without a doubt, didn't do enough last offseason in a lot of people's opinions.

The team is "right there", and it would be a shame to let it fall apart. When they compared this offseason to 1998. My responsible was all we have to do is re-sign Dansby and Warner.

Neither have been done. Graves does not and never has instilled confidence that he will do what it takes to win.

Normally, I can count on Graves sticking by his word, but he preaches about keeping the core together, and if Warner and Dansby are not part of the current core of the team, then he is just yanking our chains.

 

[D-Dogg]

Okay. I can absolutely agree with the last part of your post.

But I'm telling you, Donald, Kurt is our only chance at even making the playoffs next season. Please be ready to bring the post back up in december if we don't resgign Kurt.

I disagree and say that WHIS is our only chance of making the playoffs, not just next year but for multiple years.

Kurt makes it easier.

The defense makes it harder.

No running game makes it harder still.

 

[D-Dogg]

IMy responsible was all we have to do is re-sign Dansby and Warner.

Neither have been done.

Dansby has been resigned.

Now they need to work on a smaller cap, longer term deal, but he's a Cardinal next year.

 

[Carddan]

you have to find ways to get better and can't rely on what happened last year. Why did we change coaches with Clancy and Rutledge? Wiz wants to get better. You're right Carddan, but the lack of moves haven't helped us make a step in getting better any easier.

In my opinion, you're right, so far. The next few days and months will be interesting. I think the Cardinals want, and expect to keep Warner. If they weren't committed to him they could have played hardball themselves and said the deadline for this offer was yesterday. If you don't take it we will make an offer to A. Smith that he won't refuse prior to becoming a free agent and go with Leinart. That is not the tone I get from these negotiations.

 

[DoTheDew]

Are we cheap or are we frugal? Bill B was definitely cheap, but I think Michael B is just frugal. The only evidence I need is the results on the field. He's Michael B has gotten us a top of the line stadium, and taken us to the SB in the few years he has been in control. Would you rather us spend like crazy the way the Redskins have? Where has that gotten them.

The Rooney's are another family that is known as cheap and they have won the most SB's of anyone. Never overspend for any player IMO. Be wise with the cap and wise with the money that is there, invest it in coaches and scouting department and hope for the best. Overpaying a player, because of the cap, means you either have to underpay other players or leave holes on your roster.

Call the FO cheap that's fine. I'll take a cheap owner who gets us to the SB vs a spend happy Daniel Snyder who rarely makes the playoffs thanks.

 

[azsouthendzone]

LMAO at this thread. I can't wait to pull this one back up when Curt flops.

 

[D-Dogg]

Are we cheap or are we frugal? Bill B was definitely cheap, but I think Michael B is just frugal. The only evidence I need is the results on the field. He's Michael B has gotten us a top of the line stadium, and taken us to the SB in the few years he has been in control. Would you rather us spend like crazy the way the Redskins have? Where has that gotten them.

The Rooney's are another family that is known as cheap and they have won the most SB's of anyone. Never overspend for any player IMO. Be wise with the cap and wise with the money that is there, invest it in coaches and scouting department and hope for the best. Overpaying a player, because of the cap, means you either have to underpay other players or leave holes on your roster.

Call the FO cheap that's fine. I'll take a cheap owner who gets us to the SB vs a spend happy Daniel Snyder who rarely makes the playoffs thanks.

The Steelers are cheap too.

 

[red desert]

I disagree and say that WHIS is our only chance of making the playoffs, not just next year but for multiple years.

Kurt makes it easier.

The defense makes it harder.

No running game makes it harder still.

For some reason folks are not seeing the trees through the forest.

watch just about any game this season and how Kurt tossed the pass through the absolute only spot he had to toss it through to make it work.

He did that ALL SEASON LONG.

Then think of Leinart, for example, tossing the ball in that situation.

Think about it, seriously.

 

[Duckjake]

With Incentive Warner made 7.5 last yar and 8 mill this Super bowl season. So he wasnt getting paid like some poor QB this whole Time.

I was just about to post the same thing. Not only did Warner make $8million in 2008 he also had the 6th highest cap # on the team at slightly over 6 million behind Dansby, Fitz, Edge, Gandy and Levi.

Warner was supposed to be the backup QB. So he got a low salary contract with bonus possibilities. That's not an organization being cheap, that's one being smart.

 

[TJ]

For some reason folks are not seeing the trees through the forest.

watch just about any game this season and how Kurt tossed the pass through the absolute only spot he had to toss it through to make it work.

He did that ALL SEASON LONG.

Then think of Leinart, for example, tossing the ball in that situation.

Think about it, seriously.

Dont forget the numerous adjustments Fitz and Q had to make to catch underthrown/overthrown passes. Warner rarely hit his receivers in stride.

Not trying to discredit Warner, but give some credit where credit is due

 

[cardsfanmd]

I would agree with that. I would agree becuase 9 times out of ten we end up signing the guy for what they were mostly asking for in the first place, yet it took 100% more time to do it.

Just look at the Dolphins. They had three players they were thinking about putting the franchise tag on. SS - Bell, OT - Carey, and MLB - Crowder. Didnt have to tag a one of them and resigned all three likiddy-split. And even signed a good SS free agent in Gibril Wilson to go with it. All before free agency and all for decent contracts.

Sorry about the big font, but I had to emphasize that. This has been my beef with Graves for some time now and the main reason IMO thta he needs to be gone.

We wasted the entire offseason fighting with Eugen Parker only to cave after 4 months and give Fitz EXACTLY what he asked for from the start.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Dont forget the numerous adjustments Fitz and Q had to make to catch underthrown/overthrown passes. Warner rarely hit his receivers in stride.

Not trying to discredit Warner, but give some credit where credit is due

I have to disgree with that statement as Warner is one of the most accurate passers in the history of the NFL. When you saw Fitz getting to underthrown balls that was because Kurt put it there for him even though he was covered on Todd haley's request.

 

[Zeno]

We wasted the entire offseason fighting with Eugen Parker only to cave after 4 months and give Fitz EXACTLY what he asked for from the start.

He signed his deal on March 11th of last year thats hardly the entire offseason.

 

[TJ]

He signed his deal on March 11th of last year thats hardly the entire offseason.

We had 6 weeks to get that deal done and missed out on 11 days of free agency. There was no sense of urgency to get that deal done. Fitz's situation handcuffed the Cards so bad they couldnt even re-sign Sean Morey

Cards get an F for that transaction

 

[Zeno]

We had 6 weeks to get that deal done and missed out on 11 days of free agency. There was no sense of urgency to get that deal done. Fitz's situation handcuffed the Cards so bad they couldnt even re-sign Sean Morey

Cards get an F for that transaction

I didn't say they did the best job but I was pointing out it didn't take "4 months" or "the entire offseason"...people tend to exaggerate things around here quite a bit.

You will agree there is a difference between 6 weeks and 4 months...right?

 

[overseascardfan]

The Cardinals aren't cheap they are actually really smart. Quan is complaining about his deal...he signed it, he has to play or risk losing what he makes from fines if he holds out. Warner wants $14M a year...no one will give him that & AZ has the leverage with his comments and Matty waiting in the wings. They will probably lose Smith but they have Campbell and whomever signs him to a huge deal will be praying he is not a contract year player.

With the NFL commissioner taking a 25% pay cut, it really looks stupid when a 37 year old QB is trying to get $14M a year instead of taking $8-10M which is his value. Anquan must be toking up if he thinks he deserves Fitz type jack.

Forget Warner and sign McFadden & either Khalif Barnes or Marvel Smith, Robert Royal, re-sign JJ, try and lock up Dansby to lower his cap number, throw an extra $3M to Anquan's deal or trade him if it isn't enough for him. I am tired of Q & Warner now, Warner is getting a good offer and Q just needs to wait his turn, if they want to complain show them the door.

 

[Scott MS]

This is all the same stuff they were saying in Indianapolis when Edgerrin James left for Arizona . . . and you know how that turned out.

Good for the Cards in calling Kurt's bluff. Kurt doesn't want to move or play anywhere else. Take the $10M, Kurt, and play.

 

[azsouthendzone]

This is all the same stuff they were saying in Indianapolis when Edgerrin James left for Arizona . . . and you know how that turned out.

Good for the Cards in calling Kurt's bluff. Kurt doesn't want to move or play anywhere else. Take the $10M, Kurt, and play.

Well played.

 

[TJ]

Honestly, how bad does Kurt want to stay in AZ? He has said on multiple occasions that he wants to retire a Cardinal. The system fits him like a glove, he gets to throw to two of the best WRs in the league and his family loves Arizona. Yet he wants to "maximize" his money in AZ. Dude, you can't have your cake and eat it too. The last person in the world I would think would pull this bull is Kurt. Yet he claims its not about the money. Well, when players say its not about the money, its about one thing: the money.

The Cards have two things working in their favor with these negotiations. 1) Kurt's infatuation with the Valley and 2) The QBoF already locked and loaded. Fans need to realize that the team can't mortgage their future on a 38 year old QB who is ambivalent year after year about retirement at this point and is prone to injuries. So "giving in" to these negotiations and signing him to a $28-$32 mil 2 year contract is flat our ********. This team has too many holes to allocate 1/2 of cap space to a position where, quite frankly, we still have some strength in.

We all love and adore Kurt and are grateful for what he gave us last season, but we have at some point look ahead and not behind.

 

[azsouthendzone]

What if the Rams money whipped him? He could finish his story on a 5-11 team but oh th glory of STL.