24 Hours to Finally Know Once and For All...How Cheap the Cardinals Really Are

[Stout]

So, it sounds to me like Mitch is upset that we haven't thrown as much money at Warner as he wants to sign, is mad he hasn't signed, so has gone off on the organization. That about sum it up?

 

[TJ]

So, it sounds to me like Mitch is upset that we haven't thrown as much money at Warner as he wants to sign, is mad he hasn't signed, so has gone off on the organization. That about sum it up?

I think Mitch would be happier if we locked up St. Pierre to a multi-year deal

 

[perivolaki]

For some reason folks are not seeing the trees through the forest.

watch just about any game this season and how Kurt tossed the pass through the absolute only spot he had to toss it through to make it work.

He did that ALL SEASON LONG.

Then think of Leinart, for example, tossing the ball in that situation.

Think about it, seriously.

I understand what you're saying and I agree with it partially.

I look at it this way, will Warner be better next year than he was last year? Probably not. He will be 38 before the start of next season.

Will Matt Leinart be better next year than last year? Probably so. He is a young player still learning and what he really needs now is wheel time. You know, time actually quarterbacking the team in real games.

I think Matt is very accurate. He is still learning where to go with the ball and making reads which hurts his accuracy.

I always thought the running game worked a little better with Matty. For one thing we didn't have to operate out of the shotgun all the time like we do with Kurt. Matty is able to get those handoffs to backs in places Kurt just can't get to quick enough.

There are some trade offs.

 

[Gee!]

You call the Cards Cheap on one hand yet still think we lost out on an opportunity to get Faneca and his huge contract? You cant have it both ways.

Now lets stop this madness with this cheap tag with some actual facts instead of assumptions and dramatic hyperbole. The last 5 years the Cards in in the top 10 in total player salary. That is not cheap. You may not like who they spend their money on and I would agree with probably most of it, See Al Johnson, but the cheap tag is a complete fallacy, backed up with hard facts that cannot be denied.

Finally the CArds are offering Warner fair market value at 1- to 12 mill with half it gauranteed. 12.1 mill is the the average of the top 5 QB contracts in the league. I already posted why the 1.5 exclusive rights tag is flawed considering Rodgers 26 mill price tag last year was used in making that top 3 average that Cassell got. Cards are not being cheap on this issue not even a little bit.

joeshmo is my dude.. Mitch? Eh not so much..

 

[splitsecond]

I know it has been said before, but I lived in Pittsburgh for three miserable years, and I can't count how many times I heard the Steelers called cheap. Shoulda heard em hollerin when they drafted Ben instead of going after a FA QB.

Bottom line is the Steelers are not cheap, they simply choose not to throw money at problems, because ultimately, free-spending causes cyclical success and often times is a complete failure.

I find it hard to believe that this is all FO only work going on. I find it hard to believe that Whiz is not involved in every single one of these moves. Not only that, people need to learn to trust Whiz a LOT more. His role in turning the Steelers from an OK playoff contender into an elite franchise is EXTREMELY underappreciated.

 

[Goldfield]

There is a reason they have been the worst franchise in sports since anyone can remember.

The stars aligned and they rode it to the SB. Whats more important is haw the handle the quick success. Do they improve the team and stay on top or do they stay unmotivated and let this special year slip away. Time will tell.

 

[lobo]

red desert, I don't think giving Warner 14 million for two years is the crux of getting back to the super bowl. What I want is a playoff team year after year. That comes from not overpaying for an old QB who more than likely WON'T catch lightning in a bottle again, while one of your top WRs will probably get traded, or play under duress. What we NEED is a more solid defense. What we NEED is a running game.

Kurt has a fair offer on the table. He chose not to take it. That's not something I'm going to get mad at Graves for.

I tend to agree with joeshmoe more than Mitch.

I am not going tothrow my 2 cents in but I'll throw a penny in, Fair offer and stick with it. Whoever leaves leaves....so be it...team will pick up talent....those who are crying over losing JJ...probably the same folks who bashed him for years....easily replacable...that is the natrure of free agency...does anyone remember the 20 or so pages of horror when Gandy was signed...most people didn't even know who he was!!!

 

[cardsfanmd]

He signed his deal on March 11th of last year thats hardly the entire offseason.

We had 6 weeks to get that deal done and missed out on 11 days of free agency. There was no sense of urgency to get that deal done. Fitz's situation handcuffed the Cards so bad they couldnt even re-sign Sean Morey

Cards get an F for that transaction

I didn't say they did the best job but I was pointing out it didn't take "4 months" or "the entire offseason"...people tend to exaggerate things around here quite a bit.

You will agree there is a difference between 6 weeks and 4 months...right?

Actually, we're all wrong. From the end of the season Graves had 2 1/2 months to hammer the deal out. December 30th to March 11.

 

[lauraw]

how much cash extra did the bidwills make this year compared to last?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I was wondering when Mitch would be off his meds, again. He had been doing so well, but... those relapses into hyberbolic gibbering hysterics are awfully hard to control...

From URBAN:

On to Warner. Two things occurred to me during the night. One, there are some concerned that Warner's situation is akin to the Larry Fitzgerald deal last offseason -- i.e. something that will hold up the Cards and the rest of free agency. Nope. The Fitzgerald contract issue last year killed the Cards on the salary cap until it was fixed. This year, the Cards have the cap room (even while keeping money available to sign Kurt), so their chase of Warner and their chase of other free agents should be able to run smoothly on parallel tracks.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Kurt Warner needs the Cards more than the Cards need him. I would love to have him back , but not for the $$$ he is seeking. He has been here since 2005 and has had only one awesome season which was last year. If returns great, but if not thats fine too. The $10 million/year offer was more than fair. The Cards FO is being smart so far. They are not overpaying like Washington ($54mil) for DeAngelo Hall!!!!? They needs to take care of the core first, but not overpay for their core either.

 

[Stout]

From URBAN:

On to Warner. Two things occurred to me during the night. One, there are some concerned that Warner's situation is akin to the Larry Fitzgerald deal last offseason -- i.e. something that will hold up the Cards and the rest of free agency. Nope. The Fitzgerald contract issue last year killed the Cards on the salary cap until it was fixed. This year, the Cards have the cap room (even while keeping money available to sign Kurt), so their chase of Warner and their chase of other free agents should be able to run smoothly on parallel tracks.

That's good to hear

 

[WildBB]

So, it sounds to me like Mitch is upset that we haven't thrown as much money at Warner as he wants to sign, is mad he hasn't signed, so has gone off on the organization. That about sum it up?

In a way. He want's the FO to spend the money on the team members that have gotten us as a SB contender. And I whole heartedly agree.

Take care of your own first before divvying out other ridiculous sums of $$$$.

 

[Stout]

In a way. He want's the FO to spend the money on the team members that have gotten us as a SB contender. And I whole heartedly agree.

Take care of your own first before divvying out other ridiculous sums of $$$$.

Or, how about not divvying out ridiculous sums of $$$$ to take care of your own. Kurt, in his latest radio interview and in other statements in the media about the negotiations, wants a huuuuge contract. Top-5 QB money and probably some makeup money for what he perceives as being paid too little over the last several years. If he wants to be unreasonable he can walk or retire. If he wants to be reasonable and not kill us with ridiculous contract demands, he can re-sign. That sounds more than fair to me.

 

[WildBB]

Or, how about not divvying out ridiculous sums of $$$$ to take care of your own. Kurt, in his latest radio interview and in other statements in the media about the negotiations, wants a huuuuge contract. Top-5 QB money and probably some makeup money for what he perceives as being paid too little over the last several years. If he wants to be unreasonable he can walk or retire. If he wants to be reasonable and not kill us with ridiculous contract demands, he can re-sign. That sounds more than fair to me.

And he will sign eventually. No one within the org. is questioning that, IMO. They want to get the best deal and so does Warner for his last run. As always they will find some intermediate ground to get a deal done.

What Walter was talking about originally, was what I was referring to. Spend the money on the players who Brought Ya.

We're not the same Ol' Cardinals now.

 

[perivolaki]

Or, how about not divvying out ridiculous sums of $$$$ to take care of your own. Kurt, in his latest radio interview and in other statements in the media about the negotiations, wants a huuuuge contract. Top-5 QB money and probably some makeup money for what he perceives as being paid too little over the last several years. If he wants to be unreasonable he can walk or retire. If he wants to be reasonable and not kill us with ridiculous contract demands, he can re-sign. That sounds more than fair to me.

I like your thoughts on this. I know Kurt wants what we call make up money but he might not even be in the league if it were not for the Cardinals.

After his stint with the Giants teams weren't exactly beating down his door. The Cards gave him a chance and surrounded him with the kind of talent he needs to be successful. Then Whiz came in and really gave him a second second chance.

Kurt might not have been successful in a lot of other places and I think he might not even be in the NFL if not for a perfect marriage of situation, scheme, players, and coaches.

 

[Brian]

Anyone who believes the Cards aren't cheap just needs to look into the situation with Warner and the 500K he earned last season and the Cardinals refusal to pay him over a technicality. It's embarrasing to be honest.

 

[Zeno]

Anyone who believes the Cards aren't cheap just needs to look into the situation with Warner and the 500K he earned last season and the Cardinals refusal to pay him over a technicality. It's embarrasing to be honest.

I thought this was cleared up, the Cardinals COULDN'T pay him if they wanted to, the league wouldn't allow it. It was written in a contract that he had to make a certain incentive, he didn't make it, by the slimmest of margins and thats the bottom line.

 

[Brian]

I thought this was cleared up, the Cardinals COULDN'T pay him if they wanted to, the league wouldn't allow it. It was written in a contract that he had to make a certain incentive, he didn't make it, by the slimmest of margins and thats the bottom line.

Huh. I didn't know that. I still hear the talking heads on talk radio re-hash it often. Not doubting you, but I heard as recently as two weeks ago it was still a sore spot with Warner.

BTW- the incentive was acheiving a QB rating of 90.0 and he finished at 89.5, mostly due to the arm injury.

 

[Shane]

Huh. I didn't know that. I still hear the talking heads on talk radio re-hash it often. Not doubting you, but I heard as recently as two weeks ago it was still a sore spot with Warner.

BTW- the incentive was acheiving a QB rating of 90.0 and he finished at 89.5, mostly due to the arm injury.

I dont care if the NFL stepped in or not. The Cardinals in no way should have payed that bonus in any way shape or form. He didnt achieve the # in the contract PERIOD!

End of story. You dont open the flood gates for crap like that by making exceptions. EVER!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Anyone who believes the Cards aren't cheap just needs to look into the situation with Warner and the 500K he earned last season and the Cardinals refusal to pay him over a technicality. It's embarrasing to be honest.

What's emabarassing is you not knowing why... It was not permitted under the league's CBA.

 

[Shane]

What's emabarassing is you not knowing why... It was not permitted under the league's CBA.

Even if it was permitted the team would be beyond stupid to pay that.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Kerry Collins has just re-signed with the Titans for two years (15M) 8.5 guaranteed.

That's the marketplace addressing 37/38 year old QBs coming off a good year.

Cards offer of 20 million seems both fair and sensible.

 

[Brian]

What's emabarassing is you not knowing why... It was not permitted under the league's CBA.

Yeah, I feel so embarrased. Have you been taking d!ck pills lately or what is it? Enzyte not working?

 

[Shane]

Kerry Collins has just re-signed with the Titans for two years (15M) 8.5 guaranteed.

That's the marketplace addressing 37/38 year old QBs coming off a good year.

Cards offer of 20 million seems both fair and sensible.

Collins team had a good year. Collins did not.