Why use his per 36 when he's a starter and he plays close to 30 mins a game anyway? There's no point. Use his
actual stats.
More noise. He's averaging 27 minutes per game. It's not reasonable to praise him for rebounding better than someone who only plays 11 minutes per game and it's equally unreasonable to demand he pull down as many boards as a power forward logging 40 minutes per game. You took a shot at him because he didn't rebound as well as the guys you mentioned and yet it turns out he's rebounding at a better rate than 2 of the 3 guys you compared him to.
I don't have a blind hatred for Frye. I actually liked Frye when he first signed here.
You weren't posting here at that time so I really don't know how you felt about him back then. I do know you have been avidly against him from the beginning of your time on this board. There were times when it was justified but you're coming here with the same tired stuff and ignoring all that he has done for us this season.
But I am a big fan of players playing up to their contract. When Frye signed that $7M/yr contract, I expect him to play up to it. If not, I will bash him for it. Same way with every player. If Dragic wasn't living up to his contract, I can assure you that I would be ripping him apart.
It's hard to say he's not living up to his salary this season. There are 106 players making more than him. If you ignore the players still on their initial contract, I don't see how you can possibly come up with 106 players that are doing a better job of earning their paychecks out there.
As a PF making $7M/yr, I expect Frye to get at least 7-8 rebounds per game especially when playing close to 30 mins a night AS a STARTER. And his individual defense isn't bad, you are correct Steve but his help defense is pretty atrocious.
Actually, I think his help defense is much better than his low post defense (which can be pretty atrocious at times). He's had a handful of obvious blunders (or he's been a part of them, we'll never really know who's blew their responsibility) but for the most part he's rotated when he should and he's doubled when he should. He's not a great defender but this is by far the best I've seen him play at that end of the court.
His .8 block average is pathetic.
Blocks? Who freaking cares about blocked shot stats? How many championships did Dikembe win? Do you really think if he averaged 1 more block per game that we'd be noticeably better than we are right now. And one more blocked shot per game would put him right there with Miles who is 8th in the league.
Bottom line is that when Frye signed that 5 year $30 million contract, I started expecting and demanding much more out of Frye than 11 pts, 5 rebounds and .8 blocks a game as a starter. And I expect him to be consistent, not put up 25 pts one night and then 5 pts the next.
He scores in double digits about 75% of the time. NBA players have up games and down games and it's even more true if your game is mostly putting up 3 pointers. I'd like a little more consistency from him too but some of his down nights are the result of our depth. He misses his first couple shots and the Morris twins come in and get hot and the next thing you know he's logging 17 to 23 minutes instead of his usual 27 to 31 minutes. There's a reason that he's only logging one minute more per game than Markieff despite the fact that Morris doesn't start.
And btw how does spending half your time on the perimeter on offense affect your defensive rebounding stats? Because he averages 4.5 rebounds a game on the defensive boards, how do you explain that?
I didn't say it affected his defensive stats. It decreases his opportunities to pull down offensive boards. 4.5 defensive rebounds for a guy that only plays 27 minutes isn't horrible. My guess, it's somewhere around average for a forward that specializes in long distance shooting.
If Frye was a monster on the offensive end, then I wouldn't mind piss poor rebounding and bad help defense (see Amare) but that isn't the case. He's a guy who only shoots 3s, and when the 3s aren't falling, he's completely ineffective. Most shooters try to get easier buckets when their 3 isn't falling but Frye just keeps chucking through it. He thinks he can shoot through the slump in games but all that does is cost us.
You really need to stop watching reruns from a couple of years ago. Your comments are so dated and so inaccurate for this year's version of team and player. Jeff doesn't give him the chance to kill us, if Frye is not the answer Jeff goes elsewhere. That's why he's playing 27 minutes per game. And he doesn't just take 3's. He takes 4 to 5 regular shots per game in addition to his three's. He usually sets up outside the arc but when the defender has overplayed him he's blown by him for a layup or slam dunk on many occasions this season.
The biggest problem here though is that you are ignoring the things that don't show up in his box score. Take Frye off of this team and we have less success penetrating and our offensive rebounds would take a huge hit too. You're also ignoring the fact he is shooting .421 from three point range. Shooting .333 from distance nets the same as shooting .500 from two point range. Shooting at his volume and making them at a .421 clip is an incredible asset to this club.
He's not a star and he can still be a liability at times but look around the NBA, that describes most of the starters in this league. We're getting plenty of bang for our buck from Channing this season. Just the simple fact that the other team has to game plan for him makes everyone else's job a little easier. Two years ago we would have had to toss in a player and maybe a pick to get rid of him. This year there are a lot of teams that would offer real value for a chance to add him to their roster. And that doesn't include the leadership he's provided for this young squad (according to his teammates).
My suggestion to you: Lay off the guy until he goes south again. History suggests that will happen. But this year, the guy has been pretty special for us. You ought to give him his due.
Steve
