Barkley as Suns GM???

[sunsfan88]

if you want a hardnosed team higher Gibson as GM.

Who is Gibson?

 

[HooverDam]

He's talking about Kirk Gibson, Arizona Diamondbacks Manager. Its a joke.

 

[BC867]

He's talking about Kirk Gibson, Arizona Diamondbacks Manager. Its a joke.

Yeah, the Suns need more gritty players. Actually they do.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am dumbfounded. Charles talent made us favorites for the championship in the early
90's. His laziness and lack of self-discipline cost us at least one championship imo.

The things that made him a good player are NOT the types of things that make a good GM.

I have no reason to believe that he would be better than Isiah Thomas. Yikes.

Jeff Hornacek, Eddie Johnson, Mark West, Paul Westphal, Kevin Johnson, Steve Kerr. All former Suns players who would make better GM's than Charles Barkley.

How about making Phil Jackson GM and giving him an ownership stake? He might go for something like that.

 

[KloD]

This thread and idea is a hoot! Here we have folks critical of the Suns front office, calling them idiots, yet don't realize that the idea of making Barkley GM would far out stupid anything the current staff has done. Man, I'm sure glad those "idiots" are in charge rather than those who think this a good idea.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This thread and idea is a hoot! Here we have folks critical of the Suns front office, calling them idiots, yet don't realize that the idea of making Barkley GM would far out stupid anything the current staff has done. Man, I'm sure glad those "idiots" are in charge rather than those who think this a good idea.

 

[Chaplin]

This thread and idea is a hoot! Here we have folks critical of the Suns front office, calling them idiots, yet don't realize that the idea of making Barkley GM would far out stupid anything the current staff has done. Man, I'm sure glad those "idiots" are in charge rather than those who think this a good idea.

Wow, you and JC need to chill out. Instead of implying we're idiots for even thinking about this, maybe you should take this thread just as it is--rampant speculation about a front office that if they are good at one thing, it's at not showing their hands. I don't remember a Suns organization being this secretive.

The reality is that Barkley will probably never be a GM, let alone of the Suns. But in this terrible year, what's wrong with having fun with speculation? Instead we get implications that we're idiots for talking about it.

 

[KloD]

Wow, you and JC need to chill out. Instead of implying we're idiots for even thinking about this, maybe you should take this thread just as it is--rampant speculation about a front office that if they are good at one thing, it's at not showing their hands. I don't remember a Suns organization being this secretive.

The reality is that Barkley will probably never be a GM, let alone of the Suns. But in this terrible year, what's wrong with having fun with speculation? Instead we get implications that we're idiots for talking about it.

LOL! Chill out???

So it's ok to judge the decisions of the Suns front office and label them idiots, but not ok to judge the idiotic ideas of fans. Gotcha ya!

I hear nothing but harsh comments about the Suns front office and than from these same people hear some of the stupidest trade and personnel ideas. I feel ok in my relief that these folks who deem themselves so much smarter than the Suns front office wield no decision making power within the organization.

 

[AzStevenCal]

LOL! Chill out???

So it's ok to judge the decisions of the Suns front office and label them idiots, but not ok to judge the idiotic ideas of fans. Gotcha ya!

I hear nothing but harsh comments about the Suns front office and than from these same people hear some of the stupidest trade and personnel ideas. I feel ok in my relief that these folks who deem themselves so much smarter than the Suns front office wield no decision making power within the organization.

While I'm in agreement with you about the Barkley idea and I'm even mostly in agreement with you about this front office, I understand the frustration and why so many are willing to grasp at almost anything right now.

We all knew that we were going to be bad for awhile. That's the price we'd have to pay for all the bad decisions that were made by the front offices that preceded this one. But, it's a little scary when comments from the FO suggest we are bad now by accident rather than by design. It's hard to have faith that this group can turn us around with such questionable talent evaluation and the fact that Robert Sarver is still in the picture.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

LOL! Chill out???

So it's ok to judge the decisions of the Suns front office and label them idiots, but not ok to judge the idiotic ideas of fans. Gotcha ya!

I hear nothing but harsh comments about the Suns front office and than from these same people hear some of the stupidest trade and personnel ideas. I feel ok in my relief that these folks who deem themselves so much smarter than the Suns front office wield no decision making power within the organization.

I am just trying to wrap my brain around the fact thayone would consider it a good idea. I am not used to being so much in the minority. Oh well. It isn't happening.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am just trying to wrap my brain around the fact thayone would consider it a good idea. I am not used to being so much in the minority. Oh well. It isn't happening.

I'm too lazy to go back and count but I don't know that we're all that much in the minority. It probably just feels that way because some of us seem to be so far apart on this idea. A lot of fans here think it's a great idea and most of us that disagree think it's one of the dumbest ideas ever. It's unusual for normally reasonable people to occupy such extremes. Well, except in politics and religion. And, come to think of it, sports.

Steve

 

[Drop D]

It would almost be worth it just to see him continue to bash the Suns while he's running the team.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm too lazy to go back and count but I don't know that we're all that much in the minority. It probably just feels that way because some of us seem to be so far apart on this idea. A lot of fans here think it's a great idea and most of us that disagree think it's one of the dumbest ideas ever. It's unusual for normally reasonable people to occupy such extremes. Well, except in politics and religion. And, come to think of it, sports.

Steve

No, I think many think it's an option worth exploring, not that it is a "great idea." Keeping Lance Blanks on as GM isn't a great idea either, so why not shake things up? And let's face it, CB as GM is a definite shake-up.

 

[PhxGametime]

Barkley?? Yikes!

I wanted to pull out the "I'd find new Team, if that happened" that gets thrown out for every other Trade rumor but if I did it'd make Charles Barkley as GM official...

 

[elindholm]

If the choice were only Blanks versus Barkley, then one could argue that Barkley might not be much worse. But actually there are 7 billion people in the world, of whom probably at least 10 million would be better choices than either of them. So why not get one of them instead? Blanks versus Barkley is a false choice.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If the choice were only Blanks versus Barkley, then one could argue that Barkley might not be much worse. But actually there are 7 billion people in the world, of whom probably at least 10 million would be better choices than either of them. So why not get one of them instead? Blanks versus Barkley is a false choice.

bingo.

 

[BC867]

I can see it now. The Suns name Charles to be General Manager. By his 2nd season, the Suns reach the finals, losing in 7 games.

In his 3rd and 4th seasons, he wins back-to-back NBA championships, the first in Suns history.

In his 5th season, he decimates the team by trading away all of its stars, saying, "Hey, I'm leaving it as I found it.", and goes back to TNT.

 

[Chaplin]

If the choice were only Blanks versus Barkley, then one could argue that Barkley might not be much worse. But actually there are 7 billion people in the world, of whom probably at least 10 million would be better choices than either of them. So why not get one of them instead? Blanks versus Barkley is a false choice.

True, but the thread isn't called "Who would be a better GM than Lance Blanks?" It's called "Barkley as Suns GM???"

I don't think those of us open to the idea, however out there, deserve getting slammed like some are doing.

 

[JCSunsfan]

True, but the thread isn't called "Who would be a better GM than Lance Blanks?" It's called "Barkley as Suns GM???"

I don't think those of us open to the idea, however out there, deserve getting slammed like some are doing.

Please don't take it as being slammed. I am just incredulous that people that I have conversed with for years, and seem otherwise very much sane, would think this viable in any way. Its one of those moments where I start to doubt my own sanity.

Its like I saw a UFO that no one else saw or something. We were all there. We all saw. Didn't we?

Didn't we all see the same Charles Barkley every year show up fat, out of shape and unprepared for training camp? Didn't we see the same Charles Barkley collapse during conditioning drills? Didn't we see the same Charles Barkley that said, "They don't pay me enough to play defense." (and then played like it). Didn't we see the same Charles Barkley coast constantly in games he did not deem worthy. Didn't we see the same Charles Barkley have off games because he was so hung over he could not see straight. Didn't we see the same Charles Barkley, nursing back problems, play 36 holes of golf and the day of a playoff game with Houston (in which he played very poorly, ran out of gas at the end, and consequently we were kicked from the playoffs during a short window we had to win a championship without MJ in the way). Its the same Charles Barkley that MJ (his close friend at the time) said would never win a title because he was not committed.

True, we never would have been in the finals without Chuck's talent.

But we also did not win it all because of his lack of self-discipline.

What has Chuck succeeded at in life besides coasting on tremendous physical abilities during his career and playing the clown on ESPN?

Yes, I'll say it and face the ridicule. I would rather have Blanks, and its not even close. And believe me, that's not an endorsement of Blanks.

 

[KloD]

I've not called anyone an idiot. I called the idea of CB as GM stupid. Really stupid. I'm certainly in the minority here, but I haven't seen anything from this front office IMO to warrant calling them idiots. All I've seen from fans and media is emotional reactions and unwarranted harsh criticism. The whole coach thing I agreed with them on. I agree about the Beasley gamble. I liked the Gortat trade. The only thing they've done that I didn't like or at least understand the thinking behind it was the trade of Dragic and draft pick. I certainly haven't seen anything to believe the labels and name calling I've heard. I see nothing wrong with saying to those who would put CB in the GM position that the idea is stupid. These same people haven't held back on their judging the front office harshly... and I'm not even a fan of Blanks and Babby.

I keep hearing that they don't have a plan. Huh? Of course there is a plan, aquire talent and assets. It may be through the draft, trade, or free agent signings. It's the same plan any and every team has. But, they can't know the future of who will be available or what pick they may get. These things take time and are ever changing in the league.

I feel like I'm defending this front office, but really I see the reactions and over enotional BS from the fans and media and can't help but laugh back when they themselves offer up some of the dumbest ideas right after deeming our front office idiots. I mean no offense or am I pointing at any individual. I'm just laughing that it takes real balls IMO to call someone an idiot and then suggest CB for the Suns GM position.

Mistakes will be made as they are with every team. Everyone loves to praise OKC, but had Portland taken Durant and they taken Oden, they wouldn't be where they are and their "brilliant" plan would have just been a plan. There is a ton of luck involved in building a team and gambles are a must so let's at least agree that there have been much worse front offices and that if they are going to replace this one, then we should at least set our dream hires a lot higher than Chuck.

 

[elindholm]

I've not called anyone an idiot. I called the idea of CB as GM stupid. Really stupid. I'm certainly in the minority here, but I haven't seen anything from this front office IMO to warrant calling them idiots. All I've seen from fans and media is emotional reactions and unwarranted harsh criticism. The whole coach thing I agreed with them on. I agree about the Beasley gamble. I liked the Gortat trade. The only thing they've done that I didn't like or at least understand the thinking behind it was the trade of Dragic and draft pick. I certainly haven't seen anything to believe the labels and name calling I've heard. I see nothing wrong with saying to those who would put CB in the GM position that the idea is stupid. These same people haven't held back on their judging the front office harshly... and I'm not even a fan of Blanks and Babby.

I keep hearing that they don't have a plan. Huh? Of course there is a plan, aquire talent and assets. It may be through the draft, trade, or free agent signings. It's the same plan any and every team has. But, they can't know the future of who will be available or what pick they may get. These things take time and are ever changing in the league.

I feel like I'm defending this front office, but really I see the reactions and over enotional BS from the fans and media and can't help but laugh back when they themselves offer up some of the dumbest ideas right after deeming our front office idiots. I mean no offense or am I pointing at any individual. I'm just laughing that it takes real balls IMO to call someone an idiot and then suggest CB for the Suns GM position.

Mistakes will be made as they are with every team. Everyone loves to praise OKC, but had Portland taken Durant and they taken Oden, they wouldn't be where they are and their "brilliant" plan would have just been a plan. There is a ton of luck involved in building a team and gambles are a must so let's at least agree that there have been much worse front offices and that if they are going to replace this one, then we should at least set our dream hires a lot higher than Chuck.

Sing it! Great post.

 

[Chaplin]

I've not called anyone an idiot. I called the idea of CB as GM stupid. Really stupid. I'm certainly in the minority here, but I haven't seen anything from this front office IMO to warrant calling them idiots. All I've seen from fans and media is emotional reactions and unwarranted harsh criticism. The whole coach thing I agreed with them on. I agree about the Beasley gamble. I liked the Gortat trade. The only thing they've done that I didn't like or at least understand the thinking behind it was the trade of Dragic and draft pick. I certainly haven't seen anything to believe the labels and name calling I've heard. I see nothing wrong with saying to those who would put CB in the GM position that the idea is stupid. These same people haven't held back on their judging the front office harshly... and I'm not even a fan of Blanks and Babby.

I keep hearing that they don't have a plan. Huh? Of course there is a plan, aquire talent and assets. It may be through the draft, trade, or free agent signings. It's the same plan any and every team has. But, they can't know the future of who will be available or what pick they may get. These things take time and are ever changing in the league.

I feel like I'm defending this front office, but really I see the reactions and over enotional BS from the fans and media and can't help but laugh back when they themselves offer up some of the dumbest ideas right after deeming our front office idiots. I mean no offense or am I pointing at any individual. I'm just laughing that it takes real balls IMO to call someone an idiot and then suggest CB for the Suns GM position.

Mistakes will be made as they are with every team. Everyone loves to praise OKC, but had Portland taken Durant and they taken Oden, they wouldn't be where they are and their "brilliant" plan would have just been a plan. There is a ton of luck involved in building a team and gambles are a must so let's at least agree that there have been much worse front offices and that if they are going to replace this one, then we should at least set our dream hires a lot higher than Chuck.

You have some good points. Barkley might not be a good idea. But I also have a much lower opinion of the front office. I would love it if Sarver would just get rid of his whole front office and bring Phil Jackson in to run the show. But that has about as much chance of happening as bringing in Barkley.

And it's not anyone is proclaiming that Barkely would all of a sudden make us relevant. I think a lot of people didn't realize the rebuilding effort would be this bad. I despise Lance Blanks, I will say it and say it loudly. Will Barkley be better? Don't know, probably not, but IMO, he can't be much worse than Blanks already is.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I've not called anyone an idiot. I called the idea of CB as GM stupid. Really stupid. I'm certainly in the minority here, but I haven't seen anything from this front office IMO to warrant calling them idiots. All I've seen from fans and media is emotional reactions and unwarranted harsh criticism. The whole coach thing I agreed with them on. I agree about the Beasley gamble. I liked the Gortat trade. The only thing they've done that I didn't like or at least understand the thinking behind it was the trade of Dragic and draft pick. I certainly haven't seen anything to believe the labels and name calling I've heard. I see nothing wrong with saying to those who would put CB in the GM position that the idea is stupid. These same people haven't held back on their judging the front office harshly... and I'm not even a fan of Blanks and Babby.

I keep hearing that they don't have a plan. Huh? Of course there is a plan, aquire talent and assets. It may be through the draft, trade, or free agent signings. It's the same plan any and every team has. But, they can't know the future of who will be available or what pick they may get. These things take time and are ever changing in the league.

I feel like I'm defending this front office, but really I see the reactions and over enotional BS from the fans and media and can't help but laugh back when they themselves offer up some of the dumbest ideas right after deeming our front office idiots. I mean no offense or am I pointing at any individual. I'm just laughing that it takes real balls IMO to call someone an idiot and then suggest CB for the Suns GM position.

Mistakes will be made as they are with every team. Everyone loves to praise OKC, but had Portland taken Durant and they taken Oden, they wouldn't be where they are and their "brilliant" plan would have just been a plan. There is a ton of luck involved in building a team and gambles are a must so let's at least agree that there have been much worse front offices and that if they are going to replace this one, then we should at least set our dream hires a lot higher than Chuck.

Signing Gordon to a MAX deal was idiotic and we only got out of our stupidity there because NO matched it. The plan to sign Gordon/Beasley/Dragic and basically eat up all of our cap and try to trot that ********* out as our hallmarks of the future was an INCREDIBLY idiotic plan and it's one they tried to institute last off-season.

As to OKC, everyone thought they reached on both Westbrook and Harden. Those were both incredibly good picks. Getting Perkins was a good move for them. Not blowing their salary cap room (like the Suns tried to with Gordon) was a smart move. Trading Ray Allen when he still had a lot of value was a smart move (unlike holding on to Nash forever until his value was very little). And getting a boatload in return for Harden and keeping their team running like a well-oiled machine was another great move, getting not only a good talent to replace Harden in Martin, but also getting what could be a lotto pick from Toronto in the deal. Why OKC, who's made pretty much every right move humanly possible so far, is brought up in this conversation is as idiotic as the idea of bringing in Barkley as GM.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I've not called anyone an idiot. I called the idea of CB as GM stupid. Really stupid. I'm certainly in the minority here, but I haven't seen anything from this front office IMO to warrant calling them idiots. All I've seen from fans and media is emotional reactions and unwarranted harsh criticism.

Yeah, I mean, what is wrong with everyone? It's not like we don't have the worst roster in the NBA, and are sitting in last place in the Western conference with zero young talent to build around. Wait...

I'm really amused that anyone would go out of their way to defend the current FO. I suppose you can defend and justify some of their moves in a vacuum, but to look at the overall picture and say we've made any progress with them at the helm is ludicrous. The results speak for themselves.

Sure, Gortat was a decent trade, but what did it really get us? The chance to overpay him when he hits his declining years? Good enough play the last couple years to avoid getting starter talent by being higher in the lottery?

I'd love to know who is a good signing, and what draft picks you want to defend.

The Nash trade was OK, but if LA does make the playoffs, it's two 2nd rounders, and two end of the first round picks. Look back at the beginning of the year...many predicted the Lakers would win the division, and almost nobody thought they would miss the playoffs.

This FO has proven they can't even make decent lottery picks, what makes you think they have any ability to find a diamond in the rough?

Sure they've been hamstrung by GM Sarver and his magical summer signings of Frye (awful contract before his condition) Chilz and Turk. If you think Babby didn't have a say in any of those moves (with Chilz and Turk being former clients) I have a lovely bridge to sell you.

Further, this FO really thought they would be fighting for a playoff spot this year, which is the ultimate sign of their delusion. They're spinning big time now, but their actions don't lie.

They've said time and time again they want to re-load as opposed to do a full scale rebuild, and they've completely failed. You don't sign Scola and Jermaine O'Neal, and refuse to play all your young players if you're in rebuild mode. Now it's the worst of both worlds, as we're awful, and still have no idea of what we have in terms of young "talent".

I'd love to know what gives you any confidence in the Babby/Blanks/Sarver team, and what makes you think that anything wouldn't be an upgrade.

Sarver certainly has "re-invented" the NBA front office, and run our proud organization right into the toilet. Yet you'll still find people who defend them...unbelievable.