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Seriously?? I thought he was getting fried for the Giants offensive ineptitude??
Bettcher sounds like our new DC
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Seriously?? I thought he was getting fried for the Giants offensive ineptitude??
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Maybe if Beckham hadn't come along he would have. But the Giants had no OL and no TE going into the season. The Jennings went down and so did Cruz. But McAdoo got credit for Eli's bounce-back season and Donnell doing at least ok at TE. The second half of the year all anyone could see was Beckham.
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I'm scared.
I like Arians as much as the next guy, but he's shown he can make some really bad decisions. See Ryan Lindley.
If Bettcher were a solid choice, he would have named him DC a lot sooner. This smells of desperation.
I like Arians as much as the next guy, but he's shown he can make some really bad decisions. See Ryan Lindley.
If Bettcher were a solid choice, he would have named him DC a lot sooner. This smells of desperation.
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I kind of agree with this. If Bettcher was his man all along I think it would of been announced as soon as Bowles departed.
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Good choice
How can anybody be mad hes not a 'name'?
The DCs/OCs of the NFL werent born from their mothers 48 year old adult men with clipboards in their hands.
Every single one of them, Dick Lebeau included, our beloved Todd Bowles and Ray Horton, were nobodies with zero DC experience at one point in time.
How can anybody be mad hes not a 'name'?
The DCs/OCs of the NFL werent born from their mothers 48 year old adult men with clipboards in their hands.
Every single one of them, Dick Lebeau included, our beloved Todd Bowles and Ray Horton, were nobodies with zero DC experience at one point in time.
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This is definitely a wait and see move. Like Bodha said all great DC's had to be given a shot at some point. Maybe going from HS coach 10 years ago to NFL DC shows this guy has the goods.
Sure, we'd all liked to have LeBeau but he'd be gone in a couple years and we'd be in the same boat. Bettcher will have an experienced tutor and we'll see how it plays out.
Sure, we'd all liked to have LeBeau but he'd be gone in a couple years and we'd be in the same boat. Bettcher will have an experienced tutor and we'll see how it plays out.
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Very underwhelming resume. Spent most of career at division III level where he was mainly a position coach. Doesn't have any experience as a DC on any level.
Hope BA brings in senior defensive advisor to mentor him.
Hope BA brings in senior defensive advisor to mentor him.
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one never knows but resume is not everything, if it were, Lane Kiffin would still be the Raiders head coach.
I have no idea if Bttercher is going to be good or not but there are good coaches at all levels that for one reason or another never get a chance.
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This is my take... I don't like it one bit and I trust Arians lol
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So then, based on the reactions here, when we judge this move 1 year, 2 years, 10 years from now we will either say this was BA hubris, or he was a genius and knew something we didn't, seeing as how he works with him regularly.
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I trust BA on this until proven otherwise.
BA hasn't done anything so far to make me question him. I thought Whiz was a genius too though so there is that.
Your resume is for people who don't know you if these people know him and are ok with this, specifically BA then I'm ok with it.
BA hasn't done anything so far to make me question him. I thought Whiz was a genius too though so there is that.
Your resume is for people who don't know you if these people know him and are ok with this, specifically BA then I'm ok with it.
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I give BA the benefit of the doubt. He has only bombed on one coaching decision so far, in ST.
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and he's still here
That is more concerning to me.
The problem with being a HC is that it's not just about football at that level it's about management and that's not something these guys necessarily know anything about.
IMO you could have a HC and a team manager which we do, that's supposed to be the GM.
The truth of the matter though is in the NFL the HC gets deferred to by the GM and allowed to pick his staff.
I think in most cases this can be a big mistake because who is to say that these guys are objective and also have the management ability to know when someone is a liability or when loyalty is warranted?
It puts them in bad situations, if they toss out assistants then they look disloyal and no one wants to work for them, on the other hand if they don't toss them out problems remain.
It's very dysfunctional IMO in how it's setup.
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I dunno. I don't think this is fair. This is just asymmetry of information at play. There's no question that Arians has more information about whether Bettcher can succeed as defensive coordinator--and under what circumstances--than we do. On what evidence can we judge whether this is a good choice until at least the start of next season?
It's possible that we're withholding the announcement of the DC until we can pin down Bettcher's mentor. If someone comes out that would want more control or a better title, then that can be worked out without stripping Bettcher of a title.
This is like everyone insisting that Jonathan Cooper couldn't be worse than Ted Larsen at LG for 12 weeke until Cooper came out and looked like a buffoon. 23 wins in 2 seasons earns Arians the benefit of the doubt--even if I'm personally skeptical.
When Ray Horton was hired as a DC people freaked out.
When Todd Bowles was hired as a DC people freaked out.
Whoever our new DC is people will most likely freak out.
I'm not as concerned about our DC as much as I'm concerned about the players the Cardinals will field next September. If we lose Foote, Cromartie, Dockett and Dan Williams this year, how will that affect the chemistry of this Defense?
Daryl Washington is a great physical talent but he hasn't proven to be a leader. When we lost Dansby to FA, signing Foote turned out to be key from a leadership role. If Foote retires or goes elsewhere and Dockett doesn't return, who will step up to be the vocal leader of the Defense?
If Cromartie departs who replaces him? Can the Defense put Powers or Bethel out on an island like they did with Cro and have the same success? Will Matheu ever return to his rookie form?
What happens if the Cardinals lose Dan Williams and Alameda Ta'amu in FA. What about Tommy Kelly? These guys all had key rotational roles on the DL and were vital in stuffing the run.
Who will be our disruptive pass rusher? Okafor was the closest thing we've seen to a decent pass rusher but he is still unproven. Can we put all of our hope in a draft pick picking up the slack?
With all of these questions on Defense. I think who our DC is will be the least of our worries heading into this offseason. Keim has his work cut out for him yet again!
When Todd Bowles was hired as a DC people freaked out.
Whoever our new DC is people will most likely freak out.
I'm not as concerned about our DC as much as I'm concerned about the players the Cardinals will field next September. If we lose Foote, Cromartie, Dockett and Dan Williams this year, how will that affect the chemistry of this Defense?
Daryl Washington is a great physical talent but he hasn't proven to be a leader. When we lost Dansby to FA, signing Foote turned out to be key from a leadership role. If Foote retires or goes elsewhere and Dockett doesn't return, who will step up to be the vocal leader of the Defense?
If Cromartie departs who replaces him? Can the Defense put Powers or Bethel out on an island like they did with Cro and have the same success? Will Matheu ever return to his rookie form?
What happens if the Cardinals lose Dan Williams and Alameda Ta'amu in FA. What about Tommy Kelly? These guys all had key rotational roles on the DL and were vital in stuffing the run.
Who will be our disruptive pass rusher? Okafor was the closest thing we've seen to a decent pass rusher but he is still unproven. Can we put all of our hope in a draft pick picking up the slack?
With all of these questions on Defense. I think who our DC is will be the least of our worries heading into this offseason. Keim has his work cut out for him yet again!
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i dont like comparing this to going from horton to bowles as bowles had a ton of experience.
A great DC will make the best of what he has. Hopefully BEttcher is great.
A great DC will make the best of what he has. Hopefully BEttcher is great.
Bowles had a few games as an interim HC in Miami and a few games as an interim DC in Philly. Otherwise his only experience was as a position coach.
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I don't see anyone "freaking out." I think some people were disappointed that we're not seeing Dick LeBeau or Mike Nolan, and part of that is the fault of the Cards for not properly managing fan expectations.
Horton was just clearly Whis's third choice behind LeBeau and that LBs coach that's the new DC in Pittsburgh. Turned out the third choice was pretty good--as Arians was/may have been for the Cards.
As for the rest of your post, I don't know. You're saying that it's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmys and Joes, but doesn't last season--when we were objectively less talented and yet had similar results--dispute that conclusion?
I think that if we're going to get worse at the Xs and Os (which is conjecture, obvs), then we better get some improved Jimmys and Joes in. I guess. I think mostly that our offense just has to make the quantum leap that we were expecting to come in 2014.
Bowles coached the entire secondary for a decade before becoming defensive coordinator. It's a little different than being responsible for only outside linebackers.
Sort of. Bowles also had 13 years as a senior position coach overall in the NFL and three years as Assistant Head Coach with Miami before becoming an interim head coach there.
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