Bettcher sounds like our new DC

[MadCardDisease]

As far as the QB position... No one available was going to come in perform miracles, but almost ANYONE available would have most likely done MUCH better.

If you're gonna carry 3 QB's on your roster, maybe it's best that number 3 isn't such a bottom of the barrel project, that you go fishing for your old number 4?

Everyone knew going into this seasons that Logan Thomas was way to raw to play this year. He wasn't supposed to see the field. He is the ultimate project.

Thus the logical choice to grab to be your backup when Palmer went down was Lindley.

• He was available on SDs practice squad
• He spent 2 training camps and 1 full season learning BA's offense
• He had experience throwing passes to our WRs

There was no other choice IMO.

 

[DVontel]

This is what I got from another board:

"In his first season in Arizona, Bettcher helped coach a Cardinals defense that collected 47 sacks, the third-highest total in franchise history, while also finishing with the NFL’s sixth-ranked overall defense and featuring the league’s top-ranked run defense (84.4 yards per game). The Cardinals allowed the fewest rushing yards in team history for a 16-game season (1,351). OLB John Abraham was selected to his fifth career Pro Bowl, and first as a linebacker, after he led the team with 11.5 sacks in 2013, the most sacks by a linebacker in a single-season in team history.
In 2012, Bettcher assisted Colts head coach Chuck Pagano and 2012 NFL Coach of the Year Bruce Arians, who served as interim coach for 12 games while Pagano was receiving treatment for leukemia. Bettcher coached the Colts outside linebackers, helping Robert Mathis earn a selection to his first Pro Bowl at OLB and fifth selection overall. The Colts improved from 2-14 in 2011 to 11-5 in 2012, tied for the third-largest turnaround in NFL history and earned a Wild Card berth in the AFC playoffs.
Prior to joining the Colts, Bettcher spent nine years in the college coaching ranks. In 2011, he served as linebackers coach/special teams coordinator at New Hampshire, and he coached the NCAA FCS leading tackler and 2011 Buck Buchanan Award Winner (FCS National Defensive Player of the Year), Matt Evans. He also helped the Wildcats rank in the top 20 nationally in both punt return and punt coverage.
Bettcher coached defensive ends and special teams at Ball State in 2010, where he helped tutor Robert Eddins who led the team in sacks and earned All-MAC honors. From 2007-2009, Bettcher worked as a defensive assistant/defensive graduate assistant at the University of North Carolina, coaching linebackers and special teams and helped the 2009 team finish sixth in the nation in overall defense. At UNC, Bettcher worked with future NFL Pro Bowler Robert Quinn in addition to linebackers Bruce Carter and Quinton Coples. In 2006, he was a defensive graduate assistant at Bowling Green State University, working with the secondary and special teams units."
Once again I think it's an excellent decision.

 

[CFLredzoned]

But I think the focus of the coaching staff and front office is to put the offensive personnel in place to stay at or ahead of schedule in down and distance situations. Here was our average yards to go by down in 2014:

1st: 10.02
2nd: 8.77
3rd: 7.75

Yikes. That's looks like a pretty scary stat there.

LeBeau had recently been switching up his schemes to incorporate more 1 gap assignments. He would not have been adverse to Bowles' style. LeBeau's traditional 2 gap style enabled him to stop the run better by freeing up, the LBers. In Bowles' 1 gap scheme he uses run blitzes to counter for the lack of 2 gap responsibilities, if and when the need arises.

I'm glad you said that because Guernsey's comment did have me scratching my head. Because Horton was a LeBeau disciple. Yet I've heard Larry Foote rave about Bowle's defense being LeBeau's defense on steroids - many of the same concepts but with the ability to audible.

 

[kerouac9]

Yikes. That's looks like a pretty scary stat there.



I'm glad you said that because Guernsey's comment did have me scratching my head. Because Horton was a LeBeau disciple. Yet I've heard Larry Foote rave about Bowle's defense being LeBeau's defense on steroids - many of the same concepts but with the ability to audible.

And Antonio Cromartie said that Bowles' system was almost identical to what Rex Ryan ran in New York.

Honestly, there's not much new under the sun when it comes to defenses. You have some foundational philosophies and preferences, and you build from there.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

That punter won one of the League's monthly awards, and I've yet to see a credible answer to the question, "if not Lindley, who?" (He came in after QB#1 went down, and until the infection it was believed that QB#2 would be available for the last game of the season and certainly the playoffs.)

What's credible in your opinion?

There was a bunch of us that put out names and in our opinions they were better options. You are aware of them.

So the Lindley decision was a mistake on BA because he believed in him when many of us here questioned the move from day one. I don't believe that Lindley was credible. He has always been terrible and there is plenty of tape to see that. Top that with a good DC scheming against him and he didn't have a chance.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

There was no other choice IMO.

Even after seeing how terrible he was you still believe this?

I'm not telling you what to believe I just have a hard time understanding you and Guernsey defending BA on this decision when many of us threw out plenty of vet QB names that could at least manage a game, read a defense and not freeze like a deer in the headlights. Granted they all have flaws since they were not on active rosters, but we are comparing them to Lindley who all he had going for him was his knowledge of the playbook. Which did him no good because he didn't know where his second or third option was. He was unable to audible out of a pass or run play. Even when he starred down his WR the entire time his throws were so far off it left us saying what was that?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Even after seeing how terrible he was you still believe this?

I'm not telling you what to believe I just have a hard time understanding you and Guernsey defending BA on this decision when many of us threw out plenty of vet QB names that could at least manage a game, read a defense and not freeze like a deer in the headlights. Granted they all have flaws since they were not on active rosters,

yeah Ha Ha. John Kitna the 42 year old high school math teacher. The dude is older than me!

 

[kerouac9]

yeah Ha Ha. John Kitna the 42 year old high school math teacher. The dude is older than me!

Neither of those statements are arguments that he wouldn't be superior to a quarterback who set historical records for ineptitude--before he was a starting quarterback for a 11-1 team.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Neither of those statements are arguments that he wouldn't be superior to a quarterback who set historical records for ineptitude--before he was a starting quarterback for a 11-1 team.

OK in the last three seasons (2012, 2013, 2014):

Ryan Lindley has 134 completions 1314 yards and 2 TDs. He is currently an active player in the league at 25 years of age.

John Kitna had 0 completions 0 yards and 0 TDs. He is 42 years old and retired from the NFL in 2011.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That punter won one of the League's monthly awards,

he won a monthly award? though he won Special Teams player of the WEEK... once. The QB thing, you'll get no argument from me on, but let's not pretend outside of possibly one week that Butler was anything but awful.

not firing the ST coach is most perplexing thing about the off-season for me so far. Return/coverage units were routinely awful, as was our punter. That area of the team has to be addressed, I'd think in a major way.

 

[GuernseyCard]

What's credible in your opinion?

There was a bunch of us that put out names and in our opinions they were better options. You are aware of them.

So the Lindley decision was a mistake on BA because he believed in him when many of us here questioned the move from day one. I don't believe that Lindley was credible. He has always been terrible and there is plenty of tape to see that. Top that with a good DC scheming against him and he didn't have a chance.

People offering up names of potential QB's who are out of the league, retired, etc. was credible only in the mind of the poster.

 

[GuernseyCard]

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Puhhhleaaase.. He had a decent inside the 20 percentage, only because of his noodle leg.. When we were just outside of FG range, He could let it rip, with little or no chance of a touchback.

As far as the QB position... No one available was going to come in perform miracles, but almost ANYONE available would have most likely done MUCH better.

If you're gonna carry 3 QB's on your roster, maybe it's best that number 3 isn't such a bottom of the barrel project, that you go fishing for your old number 4?

We will be well rid of Butler, but if was easy to do you'd do it.

The premise, for some, seems to be that Keim and Co. are not constantly trying to improve the team.

1-hundred plus transactions and 21 wins over the past two seasons puts a lie to that.

If they, all things considered, could have found better than Lindley and Butler, they would have been on the first bus out of town.

 

[GuernseyCard]

he won a monthly award? though he won Special Teams player of the WEEK... once. The QB thing, you'll get no argument from me on, but let's not pretend outside of possibly one week that Butler was anything but awful.

not firing the ST coach is most perplexing thing about the off-season for me so far. Return/coverage units were routinely awful, as was our punter. That area of the team has to be addressed, I'd think in a major way.

My bad. Yes, weekly award.

That said: for those who believe there was a guy down at the local car wash who was better than Butler, he was a first team All American and winner of the Ray Guy award in College.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Honestly, we are all basing his quality as DC based off of experience in holding a known position but not the attributes to perform the position. Anyone who says the best qualified gets the job, might actually apply to him now but usually it goes to who you know. He has someone he knows well enough to let him coach now... let's see, BA sure the hell does not want to lose and that is not even arguable

 

[BullheadCardFan]

yeah Ha Ha. John Kitna the 42 year old high school math teacher. The dude is older than me!

You know there were many more names thrown out there.

Of course he is old. But the point is he has faced game speed situations before and can read a defense.

Charlie Batch knows the system and can read a defense. He doesn't have a rocket arm and has flaws. But he can stand in the pocket and find his targets. He can audible and make short throws. Much better at his age than Lindley who was absolutely terrible and had no business being out there.

How good did he look in practice for BA to hang his hat on him? The staff had to see the flaws and figured they could correct them. What made them think that? So let's say he is decent in practice. How does he look so lost in the game? Didn't practice with live rushers forcing him to practice making his reads? So many unanswered questions.

The decision to play him was Whiz like. Forcing a not ready QB into a no win situation. We basically gave up starting him. Imagine what it did to the moral of the team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

My bad. Yes, weekly award.

That said: for those who believe there was a guy down at the local car wash who was better than Butler, he was a first team All American and winner of the Ray Guy award in College.

and he continually proved he was awful in the pros.

 

[Hypothesis]

You know there were many more names thrown out there.

Of course he is old. But the point is he has faced game speed situations before and can read a defense.

Charlie Batch knows the system and can read a defense. He doesn't have a rocket arm and has flaws. But he can stand in the pocket and find his targets. He can audible and make short throws. Much better at his age than Lindley who was absolutely terrible and had no business being out there.

How good did he look in practice for BA to hang his hat on him? The staff had to see the flaws and figured they could correct them. What made them think that? So let's say he is decent in practice. How does he look so lost in the game? Didn't practice with live rushers forcing him to practice making his reads? So many unanswered questions.

The decision to play him was Whiz like. Forcing a not ready QB into a no win situation. We basically gave up starting him. Imagine what it did to the moral of the team.

Bringing in a vet QB with zero knowledge of the playbook and who probably wasn't game shape ready would have been Whiz-like too. Fact of the matter is...it was a damned if you do damned if you don't position to be in and statistically, once your 1st and 2nd QB go down...you're pretty much F'd anyway.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You know there were many more names thrown out there.

Of course he is old. But the point is he has faced game speed situations before and can read a defense.

Charlie Batch knows the system and can read a defense. He doesn't have a rocket arm and has flaws. But he can stand in the pocket and find his targets. He can audible and make short throws. Much better at his age than Lindley who was absolutely terrible and had no business being out there.

How good did he look in practice for BA to hang his hat on him? The staff had to see the flaws and figured they could correct them. What made them think that? So let's say he is decent in practice. How does he look so lost in the game? Didn't practice with live rushers forcing him to practice making his reads? So many unanswered questions .

The decision to play him was Whiz like. Forcing a not ready QB into a no win situation. We basically gave up starting him. Imagine what it did to the moral of the team.

BIM: morale

of course the moral of the story is, no team is going to win a playoff game with a 4th string QB .

 

[MadCardDisease]

Charlie Batch knows the system and can read a defense. He doesn't have a rocket arm and has flaws. But he can stand in the pocket and find his targets. He can audible and make short throws. Much better at his age than Lindley who was absolutely terrible and had no business being out there.

Charlie Batch is 40 years old and has been retired for 2 years. As a backup he started 1 game in 2011 and 2 in 2012 and had a grand total of 1 TD and 5 INTs. Yeah he sounds a lot better.

 

[Jake6233]

Kent Somers @kentsomers
#AZCardinals had interest in Mike Smith as sr defensive assistant but it didn't work out, per sources

Its pretty obvious that no experienced coach wants to be an assistant when we have the DC opening.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Kent Somers @kentsomers
#AZCardinals had interest in Mike Smith as sr defensive assistant but it didn't work out, per sources

Its pretty obvious that no experienced coach wants to be an assistant when we have the DC opening.

This is just getting stupid! Cards are acting silly, if a dude needs a mentor then he shouldn't be in charge.

 

[MadCardDisease]

This is just getting stupid! Cards are acting silly, if a dude needs a mentor then he shouldn't be in charge.

LIAC all up in arms again.

Lets recall some of his other classic posts:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2783078&postcount=14

If that turned out to be true and they do hire Arians, I just may boycott my own fandom. Monumuentally dumb.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2797173&postcount=39

Tod Bowels = Billy Davis.