Cards sent pick to Pitt with Levi!!

[Cheesebeef]

Like I said in another thread, this deal smelled like Pittsburgh did us a favor by taking Levi off our hands. Packaging one of our draft picks appears to be what sealed the deal.

Looks to me like Keim wanted Levi gone, and Arians wouldn't bench him, so Keim forced the issue.

i wouldn't be surprised at all if this is the case.

IMHO, when Sommers says that the Pittsburgh pick will "be an upgrade" he means that they will have a worse record than us, and that the picks swapped are in the same round.

this is what I'm expecting as well.

 

[D-Dogg]

He played in 10 games for them, and started 0. He's had a lot of practice time with this group, but he had all of 60 snaps over 10 games for them. Very impressive.

A) not surprising for an UDFA
B) says volumes about what they thought of Levi
C) anyone looking to be impressed by his play is incredibly unrealistic
D) anyone impressed by Levi's play is incredibly myopic

 

[kerouac9]

A) not surprising for an UDFA

Tony Jefferson is a UDFA who has played 108 defensive snaps with the Cards in 4 games.

B) says volumes about what they thought of Levi

Depends on who "they" is. I'm sure that's what Keim thought of Levi; not so sure about Arians.

C) anyone looking to be impressed by his play is incredibly unrealistic

Then why elevate him to the starter's role at the top level of competition in football? Again, Indy's offensive line was HORRENDOUS last year. It wouldn't have been hard to be impressive among that group.

D) anyone impressed by Levi's play is incredibly myopic

Why? There were times when Levi Brown has played impressively--including in the last calendar year. You understand that "myopic" means short-sighted, right?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Why? There were times when Levi Brown has played impressively--including in the last calendar year. You understand that "myopic" means short-sighted, right?

It has been virtually unanimous among just about everyone who claims to know the game, that Levi has always possessed fatal flaws in his technique. That he played his best in his contract year, then got hurt and has not been anywhere close to his best - which itself has been overwhelmingly described as far below average - since his return from injury...

Levi Brown was horrid. And his presence in the starting line-up was not only harmful on the field, but just as bad, if not worse off the field as it was sending a message BOTH Ariens and Keim didn't want sent.
They BOTH have said since the trade, that they would rather have a guy give 100% and play at Levi's level, versus someone who gave less than 100% and produced at Levi's level...

 

[kerouac9]

It has been virtually unanimous among just about everyone who claims to know the game, that Levi has always possessed fatal flaws in his technique. That he played his best in his contract year, then got hurt and has not been anywhere close to his best - which itself has been overwhelmingly described as far below average - since his return from injury...

Levi Brown was horrid. And his presence in the starting line-up was not only harmful on the field, but just as bad, if not worse off the field as it was sending a message BOTH Ariens and Keim didn't want sent.
They BOTH have said since the trade, that they would rather have a guy give 100% and play at Levi's level, versus someone who gave less than 100% and produced at Levi's level...

Link? Particularly for Arians? Thanks in advance.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Link? Particularly for Arians? Thanks in advance.

I honestly can't recall if the interview I heard was on the Doug & Wolf show, or the Burns and Gambo show... but it was in that interview when Keim said this...
Arians, as the head coach, I believe has to be a bit more discreet in his comments, however, here is a link with some of Bruce's comments on the topic, which IMO track with Keim's comments: http://arizonasports.com/40/1667046...i-Brown-in-the-best-interests-of-organization.

 

[THESMEL]

BS

yea Levi screwed us all the way to our first super bowl- with Warner breaking passing and QB rating records to the HOF behind his sorry play.

Has anyone ate their own children besides Gambo?

It has been virtually unanimous among just about everyone who claims to know the game, that Levi has always possessed fatal flaws in his technique. That he played his best in his contract year, then got hurt and has not been anywhere close to his best - which itself has been overwhelmingly described as far below average - since his return from injury...

Levi Brown was horrid. And his presence in the starting line-up was not only harmful on the field, but just as bad, if not worse off the field as it was sending a message BOTH Ariens and Keim didn't want sent.
They BOTH have said since the trade, that they would rather have a guy give 100% and play at Levi's level, versus someone who gave less than 100% and produced at Levi's level...

 

[D-Dogg]

Tony Jefferson is a UDFA who has played 108 defensive snaps with the Cards in 4 games.



Depends on who "they" is. I'm sure that's what Keim thought of Levi; not so sure about Arians.



Then why elevate him to the starter's role at the top level of competition in football? Again, Indy's offensive line was HORRENDOUS last year. It wouldn't have been hard to be impressive among that group.



Why? There were times when Levi Brown has played impressively--including in the last calendar year. You understand that "myopic" means short-sighted, right?

Jefferson is good...sowell hasn't shown he isn't...Levi has shown he's nit good. He was on the chopping block with no worries about replacing him with young late rounderes and the undrafted.

they elevated him because he is their best option after deciding that Levi was a liability. Again..speaks to Levi and his talent more than the skill of Nobody McUnknown.

oh..Levi has had some good plays where he didn't crap the bed in the last "calendar year" and that is okay because it isn't shortsighted to keep on trucking with him. Tell me more about your expectation for a 1st round tackle who still gets killed and hasn't improved. The long range plan that includes Levi didn't exist and rightfully so. Thinking otherwise is myopic. Thinking Levi impressed is myopic.

 

[82CardsGrad]

yea Levi screwed us all the way to our first super bowl- with Warner breaking passing and QB rating records to the HOF behind his sorry play.

Has anyone ate their own children besides Gambo?

So you're saying it takes a Hall of Fame QB who was a master at pre-snap reads, in order to survive Levi at tackle??
Also, while I'm not surprised you forgot this fact, but... Levi wasn't playing Left Tackle that year. He was at RT as Gandy was our Left Tackle...

Nice try tho SMEL...

 

[THESMEL]

Nope

Didn't say that and I do realize that- so your saying Levi is addition by subtraction and I say that is a bunch of Hooey!

I'm thinking more along the Denny Green emotional firing of the OC and the rehiring of the OC by Graves after MNM.

None of the current Cardinal or Pittsburg Olineman are as good as Levi Brown- you put any of them at LT and throw 70% of the time on either team and Quinn and others are going to get multiple sacks on them.

I've seen it with my own eyes- BA is making the same mistakes Whiz Made and it looks exactly like the same animal. Watch how Haley handles him, watch Levi Run Block like a real team for the first time in his successful career.

Just for a second remember how we got trashed the 2nd half of 08 after securing the crappy NFCW division- with a HOF QB! Insert the Edge and balanced our way through the playoffs to the Super Bowl- Then ran 10 times and died!

In 09- balanced ourselves to a 3 score lead in GB before the best pass fest ever -winning dramatically in overtime! Then the Saints Playoff game the next week- started with 80 yard rushing TD and had only 9 more rushing attempts- as we tucked our tail between our legs rolled over and died with 6 minutes left in the 3rd 1/4! In a DIVISIONAL PLAYOFF GAME - like we get there more than every 50 years or so!

It is not on Levi or the Players - Its fundamentally flawed football coaching.

The Patriots win with less and the Cardinals lose with more! The Steelers have changed and lost- BA had the reigns the last Super Bowl win they had- and let cause he couldn't pass it more- see how that works out for ALL!

Levi was more solution than he was problem- Stupid move.

So you're saying it takes a Hall of Fame QB who was a master at pre-snap reads, in order to survive Levi at tackle??
Also, while I'm not surprised you forgot this fact, but... Levi wasn't playing Left Tackle that year. He was at RT as Gandy was our Left Tackle...

Nice try tho SMEL...

 

[Vermont Maverick]

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/20...rting-lt-bradley-sowell-what-to-expect-sunday

Thanks for the link, D-Dogg!

 

[D-Dogg]

Thanks for the link, D-Dogg!

Is that your site? I didn't realize.

Well done write up on Sowell...fairly done showing booth the good and bad.



I wish our local guys were as good as you, Mitch & K9. Whatever warts all you guys might have, you all blow the doors off of the "professionals" covering the team.

 

[D-Dogg]

Didn't say that and I do realize that- so your saying Levi is addition by subtraction and I say that is a bunch of Hooey!

I'm thinking more along the Denny Green emotional firing of the OC and the rehiring of the OC by Graves after MNM.

None of the current Cardinal or Pittsburg Olineman are as good as Levi Brown- you put any of them at LT and throw 70% of the time on either team and Quinn and others are going to get multiple sacks on them.

I've seen it with my own eyes- BA is making the same mistakes Whiz Made and it looks exactly like the same animal. Watch how Haley handles him, watch Levi Run Block like a real team for the first time in his successful career.

Just for a second remember how we got trashed the 2nd half of 08 after securing the crappy NFCW division- with a HOF QB! Insert the Edge and balanced our way through the playoffs to the Super Bowl- Then ran 10 times and died!

In 09- balanced ourselves to a 3 score lead in GB before the best pass fest ever -winning dramatically in overtime! Then the Saints Playoff game the next week- started with 80 yard rushing TD and had only 9 more rushing attempts- as we tucked our tail between our legs rolled over and died with 6 minutes left in the 3rd 1/4! In a DIVISIONAL PLAYOFF GAME - like we get there more than every 50 years or so!

It is not on Levi or the Players - Its fundamentally flawed football coaching.

The Patriots win with less and the Cardinals lose with more! The Steelers have changed and lost- BA had the reigns the last Super Bowl win they had- and let cause he couldn't pass it more- see how that works out for ALL!

Levi was more solution than he was problem- Stupid move.

Yeah, this basically just solidifies my confidence in what the coaches did here. If Smel hates it, it's probably the right move. Hell, this might elevate Sowell to elite 98/100 grade.

 

[SECTION 11]

Look, I have no idea what the hell is going on (just like Keim) and I'm sure as hell not going to read 14 pages of this to find out. All I want to know is can I / should I take Bucky off ignore? That's not too much to ask is it?

 

[Cardiac]

Look, I have no idea what the hell is going on (just like Keim) and I'm sure as hell not going to read 14 pages of this to find out. All I want to know is can I / should I take Bucky off ignore? That's not too much to ask is it?

Take Bucky off ignore, he's quest is completed, Levi is gone.

 

[cardncubfan]

Look, I have no idea what the hell is going on (just like Keim) and I'm sure as hell not going to read 14 pages of this to find out. All I want to know is can I / should I take Bucky off ignore? That's not too much to ask is it?

I would wait a week or so.

 

[kerouac9]

I honestly can't recall if the interview I heard was on the Doug & Wolf show, or the Burns and Gambo show... but it was in that interview when Keim said this...
Arians, as the head coach, I believe has to be a bit more discreet in his comments, however, here is a link with some of Bruce's comments on the topic, which IMO track with Keim's comments: http://arizonasports.com/40/1667046...i-Brown-in-the-best-interests-of-organization.

So you're saying that you made all this stuff up. Particularly this:

They BOTH have said since the trade, that they would rather have a guy give 100% and play at Levi's level, versus someone who gave less than 100% and produced at Levi's level...

 

[D-Dogg]

No he paraphrased it. And he's not off base.

 

[kerouac9]

No he paraphrased it. And he's not off base.

No, because I listened to the presser, and Arians said nothing of the sort about giving 100% effort.

 

[D-Dogg]

No, because I listened to the presser, and Arians said nothing of the sort about giving 100% effort.

Well enough. He didn't say anything about effort...in the presser. But things have been being said about effort by local idiots who get their info from somewhere. Maybe not Bruce, but not from a void. 82 pulled his post from the total context of all that's being talked about in the Valley. Is he right? More than not, I'm assuming. Is he making it up? No, he's not. Was it said in the presser? No, it wasn't.

 

[82CardsGrad]

So you're saying that you made all this stuff up. Particularly this:

Not making anything up K9. The comments in the article I posted, the comments from people who have spoken to Ariens, along with Keim's comments are all very consistent.
Now, you are free of course to try to create a smoke-screen by insinuating Ariens is not on board with this move and that it was all Keim... Just like Smel can make his wild insinuations too. Have at it!


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[Shane]

Not making anything up K9. The comments in the article I posted, the comments from people who have spoken to Ariens, along with Keim's comments are all very consistent.
Now, you are free of course to try to create a smoke-screen by insinuating Ariens is not on board with this move and that it was all Keim... Just like Smel can make his wild insinuations too. Have at it!


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All I have to do is watch the presser. Arians in no way shape or form is thrilled with being in that press conference. It's clear as day. Could be sick having a ba day or whatever. But he certainly isn't happy about something.

 

[Cheesebeef]

All I have to do is watch the presser. Arians in no way shape or form is thrilled with being in that press conference. It's clear as day. Could be sick having a ba day or whatever. But he certainly isn't happy about something.

Gotta agree. The idea that Arians wasn't totally on board with this move isn't all that wild. I mean...Arians has called Levi elite, said after the Rams game no one else would take his place, gave him props after the Lions game and called Sunday his best game of the season. So, unless you're just calling Arians a liar, not sure linking K9 and Smel in wildness makes total sense.

I mean, it's not nearly as wild as saying the Bucs weren't a garbage team or anything like that.

 

[82CardsGrad]

All I have to do is watch the presser. Arians in no way shape or form is thrilled with being in that press conference. It's clear as day. Could be sick having a ba day or whatever. But he certainly isn't happy about something.

Why shouldn't he be pissed? His offense looks like **** and highest drafted o-linemen on the team is actually regressing to the point where he was about to bench Levi! I'd be pissed too.
Ariens had much bigger plans for the offense, and he's pissed he can't develop the scheme like he had intended...
Not sure why people immediately attempt to create a rift between Keim and Ariens... Crazy....


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[D-Dogg]

Why shouldn't he be pissed? His offense looks like **** and highest drafted o-linemen on the team is actually regressing to the point where he was about to bench Levi! I'd be pissed too.
Ariens had much bigger plans for the offense, and he's pissed he can't develop the scheme like he had intended...
Not sure why people immediately attempt to create a rift between Keim and Ariens... Crazy....

This.