Conflicting reports re: karlos dansby

[Reddog]

And Michael Floyd benefited from having Carson Palmer at QB instead of Ryan Lindley so I guess we can discount what Floyd did last season. And Calais Campbell had just a bit of influence on Abraham's stats for 2013 so we shouldn't be heaping so much praise on Big John for his sacks either. It never fails that when people start praising an NFL player other fans will try to belittle his accomplishments by saying it was because of who he was playing next to on the field.

I think the point is his value may be greater to us because his production increases as a result of the system and the other pieces around him. I have to believe other GMs see that too and that may be why his FA interest was flat last year.

 

[Duckjake]

And Michael Floyd benefited from having Carson Palmer at QB instead of Ryan Lindley so I guess we can discount what Floyd did last season. And Calais Campbell had just a bit of influence on Abraham's stats for 2013 so we shouldn't be heaping so much praise on Big John for his sacks either. It never fails that when people start praising an NFL player other fans will try to belittle his accomplishments by saying it was because of who he was playing next to on the field.


Floyd did benefit from Palmer and Abraham did Benefit from Campbell. Palmer benefited from having Ellington in the backfield. Put Brinkley next to LOS and he doesn't have the year he had. Its a team game and teammates benefit from having certain players next to them.

That said you can pretty much say its a safe bet that Dansby will see what the market has to offer. I read an article the other day that was about what its like for a player to get the cut call. The one thing the player said is that Home Team Discount is a fantasy.

Better players take more advantage of their situation than lesser players. Paris Lenon played 16 games next to DWash in 2012 and he didn't have near the kind of season Dansby did in 2013 for instance.

Lenon 2 sacks, 1 interception, 3 pdf's, and 73 tackles
Dansby 6.5 sacks, 4 interceptions, 19 pdf's and 113 tackles.

According to the logic of some posters on here Floyd shouldn't get paid any real money when his time comes no matter how successful he is because he got to play opposite Larry Fitzgerald.

DWash benefited from having Dansby next to him and Dansby from having DWash but that doesn't take away in the least from the fine season they both had in 2013.

 

[john h]

90 did tweet that karlos is coming back but it sounded like opinion. Hope he's right.

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I have this gut feeling we will have both Dansby and Dockett on our team next year. Gut feelings are just that and nothing more. We had a very good team last year and likely to be better this year which are good reasons for these guys to want to come back. Had you rather live in Buffalo, Cleveland, Greenbay or Arizona? That is a few other good reasons. We really do need those two guys and need to sign a couple of more good guys much like them.

Look for Josh McCown to get a big pay raise this year. I do not think he was even making a million a year last season. His numbers were really phenominal for a backup type player.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Depends on how it's structured. If it's a $10M "guarantee" that comes in the form of a $4M base salary, $4M signing bonus, and $500k workout bonuses on each of the four years in the deal--or a $2M roster bonus in year 4--then that's a $10M guarantee that you can live with. Los gets $8M this year, maybe $2-3M in 2015, and you have $2M in dead money if you have to release him or he retires after two seasons.

If Dansby cares about the headline number, there's a lot of ways to work around that. But it's possible that Dansby cares about the actual cash flows to him, and while I think the deal I outlined above is perfectly generous, if he wants $10M or more over the first two seasons of a new contract, that's kind of a challenge.

I agree, structure is everything. I don't think Keim is going to structure it any way that is harmful to the cap in terms of potential dead money, or at least he's going to try and minimize it, and that may be what the hold up is right now.

 

[PDXChris]

Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki · 3m
BA mentioned Cards made Dansby an offer the day after the regular season, hearing 10-12M over the next the 2 yrs. #Titans showing interest.

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[PJ1]

I would be really bummed if we lose Dansby. Don't want him going to the Titans either.

Sign him. He was our best player on the field last year.

 

[Finito]

I would be really bummed if we lose Dansby. Don't want him going to the Titans either.

Sign him. He was our best player on the field last year.

It's not like the cardinals don't want to sign him. Make no mistake this is on Dansby he knows this is probably his last contract and he's looking to get paid

 

[Buckybird]

It's not like the cardinals don't want to sign him. Make no mistake this is on Dansby he knows this is probably his last contract and he's looking to get paid

Offering him $3.5 mil guaranteed isn't on Los IMO. To me that's selling his talents short & what he means to this team short.

 

[Bodha]

I think if they really offered him the 6 mill py, and he declined, then they should let him walk.


Theres this belief we must keep Los, I dont know why.



You pay for what a guy will do, not what he has done. Los has performed up to that incredible level last year once in his 10 year career. So hes 1 for 10 in being an impact player. I dont like those odds on a guy who will be 33 in a few months.

Also im tired of wasting 2nd round picks. Kolb trade, Ryan Williams and now Kevin Minter.

Unlike the other two, there is nothing wrong with Minter. Hes ready rock right now. Hes a good player.

Will he play like Dansby last year? No

Will Dansby play like Dansby last year? probably not

 

[BullheadCardFan]

After a strong season to Arizona, the Cardinals have offered Dansby a two-year deal worth $10 million to $12 million, according to Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic. Dansby, the No. 23 player on the PFT Free Agent Hot 100, hasn’t taken it, opting instead to test the market.

Dansby’s decision suggests that he’s got something else cooking for even more. Not bad for a 32-year-old linebacker who shouldn’t be making that kind of money.

Link.

 

[Duckjake]

I think if they really offered him the 6 mill py, and he declined, then they should let him walk.


Theres this belief we must keep Los, I dont know why.



You pay for what a guy will do, not what he has done. Los has performed up to that incredible level last year once in his 10 year career. So hes 1 for 10 in being an impact player. I dont like those odds on a guy who will be 33 in a few months.

Also im tired of wasting 2nd round picks. Kolb trade, Ryan Williams and now Kevin Minter.

Unlike the other two, there is nothing wrong with Minter. Hes ready rock right now. Hes a good player.

Will he play like Dansby last year? No

Will Dansby play like Dansby last year? probably not

Dansby has played up to that level every year not 1 out of 10. The only thing out of the ordinary for 2013 is the 19 pdf's. The guy leaves for a couple of years and fans forget how good he was in Arizona.

 

[Bodha]

Dansby has played up to that level every year not 1 out of 10. The only thing out of the ordinary for 2013 is the 19 pdf's. The guy leaves for a couple of years and fans forget how good he was in Arizona.

Feel free to post these years in which last year was just another average Karlos year.

 

[Finito]

Feel free to post these years in which last year was just another average Karlos year.

Dansbys last year in Miami his numbers were almost identical to Washingtons that year he's always put up great numbers

 

[PJ1]

I think if they really offered him the 6 mill py, and he declined, then they should let him walk.


Theres this belief we must keep Los, I dont know why.



You pay for what a guy will do, not what he has done. Los has performed up to that incredible level last year once in his 10 year career. So hes 1 for 10 in being an impact player. I dont like those odds on a guy who will be 33 in a few months.

Also im tired of wasting 2nd round picks. Kolb trade, Ryan Williams and now Kevin Minter.

Unlike the other two, there is nothing wrong with Minter. Hes ready rock right now. Hes a good player.

Will he play like Dansby last year? No

Will Dansby play like Dansby last year? probably not

He was out best performer on D last year that's why. The guy you are proposing replace him couldn't get on the field.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Feel free to post these years in which last year was just another average Karlos year.

As great as 2013 was for Dansby...his career high for tackles was in 2012, sacks was 2006, forced fumbles was 2007...2013 was a career high in INT's...and tied with 2005 for TD's. So, I think he's shown himself to play consistently at a high level. 2013 was not a fluke year from an aging vet.


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[Buckybird]

As great as 2013 was for Dansby...his career high for tackles was in 2012, sacks was 2006, forced fumbles was 2007...2013 was a career high in INT's...and tied with 2005 for TD's. So, I think he's shown himself to play consistently at a high level. 2013 was not a fluke year from an aging vet.


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It just boggles my mind how people really ignore how silently very good this guy is. Even Polian thinks DRC is a better player

 

[Duckjake]

As great as 2013 was for Dansby...his career high for tackles was in 2012, sacks was 2006, forced fumbles was 2007...2013 was a career high in INT's...and tied with 2005 for TD's. So, I think he's shown himself to play consistently at a high level. 2013 was not a fluke year from an aging vet.


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Right. I've posted several times Dansby's outstanding stats from his first 5 seasons in the NFL. I've also posted how Dansby put up excellent numbers while playing outside in a 4-3 and inside in a 3-4. And those who think he's never been an impact player until last season must have missed the 2008 and 2009 playoff games.

In addition the stats don't show how well Dansby reads opposing offenses and disrupts plays by using that recognition to be in the right place at the right time without making a tackle or an interception.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He was out best performer on D last year that's why. The guy you are proposing replace him couldn't get on the field.

Count me in the group that is perfectly fine with putting Minter on the field next year.

 

[Buckybird]

Count me in the group that is perfectly fine with putting Minter on the field next year.

That's fine, but I want Los on the field starting for the Cards THIS year.

 

[crisper57]

I want Dansby back, but it sounds like he is in full-on mercenary mode again. Gonna test the market to see if he can get more than the $5-$6 million per year that the Cards reportedly offered.

Karlo$ strikes again.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Deja vu.

 

[kerouac9]

I think if they really offered him the 6 mill py, and he declined, then they should let him walk.


Theres this belief we must keep Los, I dont know why.



You pay for what a guy will do, not what he has done. Los has performed up to that incredible level last year once in his 10 year career. So hes 1 for 10 in being an impact player. I dont like those odds on a guy who will be 33 in a few months.

Also im tired of wasting 2nd round picks. Kolb trade, Ryan Williams and now Kevin Minter.

Unlike the other two, there is nothing wrong with Minter. Hes ready rock right now. Hes a good player.

Will he play like Dansby last year? No

Will Dansby play like Dansby last year? probably not

This sounds a lot like someone who started watching the team in 2011 or isn't old enough to remember the player that Karlos Dansby has been his entire career.

It wasn't an accident or mistake that Miami offered him $30M a few years ago, or that the Cards were prepared to match that deal. That's the player that Los is.

If you watched Dansby in either playoff run, you'd see the same guy who was playing in 2013.

 

[GuernseyCard]

This sounds a lot like someone who started watching the team in 2011 or isn't old enough to remember the player that Karlos Dansby has been his entire career.

It wasn't an accident or mistake that Miami offered him $30M a few years ago, or that the Cards were prepared to match that deal. That's the player that Los is.

If you watched Dansby in either playoff run, you'd see the same guy who was playing in 2013.

Agree.

And if a team wants to pay him more than the reported Cards' offer, then that is his market value.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Agree.

And if a team wants to pay him more than the reported Cards' offer, then that is his market value.

I wonder how much the Titans are going to offer him?

 

[crisper57]

Sinking feeling: Dansby clearly wants to get paid (again). Who need a ILB worse than just about any other team? The Redskins. Yep, another team that has a history of over-paying aging talent.

Ugh.