Conflicting reports re: karlos dansby

[CardLogic]

Just sign him he is really the best FA out there at his position. Stop playing games Mr. B's pay him he was a great part of our past now he is a great part of our future.
BOBCAT

Practically everyone wants Dansby to remain a Cardinal next year and beyond. You say "pay him"; but how much? Do you think Dansby is worth $6 million per year? $8 million?
What do you feel the offer should be?

We have no idea what Dansby's agent is asking for right now. If Karlos is as happy here as he seemed and professed last season, then the Cardinals should feel good being given an opportunity to match what another team offers. If not. . .

There is door No. 2.

 

[Buckybird]

Practically everyone wants Dansby to remain a Cardinal next year and beyond. You say "pay him"; but how much? Do you think Dansby is worth $6 million per year? $8 million?
What do you feel the offer should be?

We have no idea what Dansby's agent is asking for right now. If Karlos is as happy here as he seemed and professed last season, then the Cardinals should feel good being given an opportunity to match what another team offers. If not. . .

There is door No. 2.

He's worth every bit of 5-6 mil a year IMO. If the Cards are only offering him 3.5 mil guaranteed, I honestly think that's a joke & he will be paying elsewhere. Give him at least $5 mil guaranteed & see if he will bite.

Door # 2 is either Jackson or Minter & asking either to be a factor in the passing game like LOS has been is setting up the fans & coaches to be highly disappointed! They are both thumpers just like Brinkley was & that's it. Losing LOS will diffantely hurt our defense IMO defending the pass.

 

[Jetstream Green]

He's worth every bit of 5-6 mil a year IMO. If the Cards are only offering him 3.5 mil guaranteed, I honestly think that's a joke & he will be paying elsewhere. Give him at least $5 mil guaranteed & see if he will bite.

Door # 2 is either Jackson or Minter & asking either to be a factor in the passing game like LOS has been is setting up the fans & coaches to be highly disappointed! They are both thumpers just like Brinkley was & that's it. Losing LOS will diffantely hurt our defense IMO defending the pass.

This, and do not also forget for all intent purposes he seemed to clearly be the leader on the defense. Yes, I have been wanting Dansby back because I honestly do not think Minter at this stage or any free agent available can match what he can do for us for at least the next two years. Pay the man, hell the Cardinals owe him when he was not making the money he deserved. Dansby did more for this team than Fitz did last season, again pay the man!

 

[Garthshort]

I have no idea what we've offered, but to say, "pay the man", makes no sense. Of course the team has made an offer (IMO) and the question is how much we should pay. Fans that say, " pay the man " are the reason why teams get in salary cap trouble, if teams pay TOO MUCH.

 

[Duckjake]

I have no idea what we've offered, but to say, "pay the man", makes no sense. Of course the team has made an offer (IMO) and the question is how much we should pay. Fans that say, " pay the man " are the reason why teams get in salary cap trouble, if teams pay TOO MUCH.

Teams get in salary cap trouble by paying the wrong players not by paying "too much" for the right players. Just look at what Levi Brown costs against the cap this year.

It also helps to not have to pay mega millions to a QB which is why the 49ers were able to pay both Bowman and Willis huge amounts of $$$$.

 

[juza76]

if is not signed yet is becuase he want know his woth in this window of market.i doubt the card are willing to match other offer.cardinals has washington can play his role so is not essential

 

[conraddobler]

I did a bit of research on Dansby and linebackers in general and just by averages he's got about 4 years of high production you can expect in him based on just normal metrics for the position.

So I'd be for signing the guy personally and possibly paying him market for his services but if he want's market plus then no.

I think the Cardinals are a bit low now personally but it's their business.

 

[WisconsinCard]

if is not signed yet is becuase he want know his woth in this window of market.i doubt the card are willing to match other offer.cardinals has washington can play his role so is not essential

I tend to agree with you, he has not signed yet because he want to see what the markets bares. Now will he come back and give us a chance to match? I doubt it, other teams would make him offers that it is sign it now or it's off the table. Their not going to let him use them to drive his price up with another team. How would the cards know if these offers were legit?

 

[kerouac9]

I did a bit of research on Dansby and linebackers in general and just by averages he's got about 4 years of high production you can expect in him based on just normal metrics for the position.

So I'd be for signing the guy personally and possibly paying him market for his services but if he want's market plus then no.

I think the Cardinals are a bit low now personally but it's their business.

I dunno. I thought that linebackers start to decline between 32 and 34. FootballOutsiders always publishes where the metrics point them, but I'm too busy to look it up now.

I think that it's fair to assume that Dansby's game is going to begin to decline in the near future. I think that the money itself that is being reported is right, but the flows of that money are a bigger question/issue.

I tend to agree with you, he has not signed yet because he want to see what the markets bares. Now will he come back and give us a chance to match? I doubt it, other teams would make him offers that it is sign it now or it's off the table. Their not going to let him use them to drive his price up with another team. How would the cards know if these offers were legit?

Historically speaking, Dansby allowed the Cards to match his Miami contract offer, but apparently the cash flows were different or the tax benefits of Florida were such that the Fins had a more valuable offer.

Dansby's a professional, the Cards are professionals. I don't think this is about ego; it's about money.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I dunno.

Historically speaking, Dansby allowed the Cards to match his Miami contract offer, but apparently the cash flows were different or the tax benefits of Florida were such that the Fins had a more valuable offer.
Dansby's a professional, the Cards are professionals. I don't think this is about ego; it's about money.

Was that how it went down? I thought we made a contract offer first. He then accepted Miami's offer that was the same because of no income tax in Flordia means more money in his pocket. I could be wrong though, that was the way I remembered it.

I agree about them both being professional, but is it ethical to use another team as a bargaining chip?

 

[BigRedRage]

jurecki today tweeted something to the effect of he talked to dansby and maybe the agent hasnt brought him the offer

 

[Cheesebeef]

jurecki today tweeted something to the effect of he talked to dansby and maybe the agent hasnt brought him the offer

man, if true, that sucks.

people can tell themselves he's replaceable all they want...with Jackson or Minter, but truth is, Dansby was the BEST playmaker on the D, the most consistent player all season and by all accounts the leader of the D. The guy never had to leave the field. that itself is ridiculously rare in the NFL. then you take into consideration that Washington might be looking at another suspension and that the Honey Badger won't likely be at full strength until late in the season if at all (and I know people will protest this, but knee injuries like that, that late in the season, will take a while to mend) and you're possibly looking at a world class D missing 3 of it's best 5 playmakers for long periods of time.

 

[Jetstream Green]

man, if true, that sucks.

people can tell themselves he's replaceable all they want...with Jackson or Minter, but truth is, Dansby was the BEST playmaker on the D, the most consistent player all season and by all accounts the leader of the D. The guy never had to leave the field. that itself is ridiculously rare in the NFL. then you take into consideration that Washington might be looking at another suspension and that the Honey Badger won't likely be at full strength until late in the season if at all (and I know people will protest this, but knee injuries like that, that late in the season, will take a while to mend) and you're possibly looking at a world class D missing 3 of it's best 5 playmakers for long periods of time.

I don't know Cheesebeef, but your absolutely right. I was a fan of Dansby but never a huge fan till this season. Dansby reminds me of the Dustin Hoffman film Little Big Man when the 7th Calvary was attacking the Cheyenne village on the Wa****a River (and dear ASFN, I really dig the self protective vulgar program in play that thinks the name of this river contains a vulgarity so you won't let me spell it right haha). Dan George plays his adopted Indian grandfather and says the night before he had a premonition of the soldiers attacking but him and Dustin's character would be invisible to the soldiers and walk through it all to safety. Well, Dansby's play and leadership seem to be invisible to the whole NFL with no Pro Bowl and even the fans think he is replaceable. I'm not saying overpay the man, I'm saying pay the man what he is worth without making assumptions based on everyone seeming to want him to be less than he is worth. I have never seen so many people wanting a player not to be good so they can move on but then you have Fitzgerald on the opposite side of the spectrum getting paid a ton of money and some people wanting to justify it lol

 

[GuernseyCard]

Was that how it went down? I thought we made a contract offer first. He then accepted Miami's offer that was the same because of no income tax in Flordia means more money in his pocket. I could be wrong though, that was the way I remembered it.

I agree about them both being professional, but is it ethical to use another team as a bargaining chip?

No different from "shopping a quote" around in search of a better price, etc.

Happens in business every day.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I agree about them both being professional, but is it ethical to use another team as a bargaining chip?

I would, in a heartbeat.

I have stopped preaching ethics in a country where success is obtained by ignoring them.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I agree about them both being professional, but is it ethical to use another team as a bargaining chip?

I tend to agree with you, he has not signed yet because he want to see what the markets bares. Now will he come back and give us a chance to match? I doubt it, other teams would make him offers that it is sign it now or it's off the table. Their not going to let him use them to drive his price up with another team. How would the cards know if these offers were legit?

I think KD wants to see what the market bares as well. My question is, once FA starts, will the Cards take the approach Arians has spoken of and pull the offer if the next guy is willing to accept it?

I thnk the "next guy" is Jackson but I also think he'll command more in free agency than KD so I doubt he accpets what the offer to KD currently is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I think KD wants to see what the market bares as well. My question is, once FA starts, will the Cards take the approach Arians has spoken of and pull the offer if the next guy is willing to accept it?

I thnk the "next guy" is Jackson but I also think he'll command more in free agency than KD so I doubt he accpets what the offer to KD currently is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

There's a three day pre FA negotiating window, so I'd imagine that LOS will have a pretty good idea of what's out there before the clock hits midnight.

 

[imaCafan]

4 years, $22 mm, $11 guaranteed. D'Quells numbers. What do you pay KD based on these?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

4 years, $22 mm, $11 guaranteed. D'Quells numbers. What do you pay KD based on these?

Similar yearly numbers but only on a 2 year deal, so 2 years $11 mill, which is in the ballpark of what the Cards have supposedly offered.

 

[PDXChris]

4 years, $22 mm, $11 guaranteed. D'Quells numbers. What do you pay KD based on these?

I would throw in another year than the two being thrown around and give him $10 million guaranteed.


3 years 16.5 million with $10 million guaranteed. Breaking that down, you have a $3 million base salary for 2014 $7 million SB. That way he only counts $5.3 million this year against the cap and $2.3 against the cap in 2016 if we cut him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I would throw in another year than the two being thrown around and give him $10 million guaranteed.


3 years 16.5 million with $10 million guaranteed. Breaking that down, you have a $3 million base salary for 2014 $7 million SB. That way he only counts $5.3 million this year against the cap and $2.3 against the cap in 2016 if we cut him.

i'd do the same.

 

[desertdawg]

i'd do the same.

Yuppers.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I would throw in another year than the two being thrown around and give him $10 million guaranteed.


3 years 16.5 million with $10 million guaranteed. Breaking that down, you have a $3 million base salary for 2014 $7 million SB. That way he only counts $5.3 million this year against the cap and $2.3 against the cap in 2016 if we cut him.

KD would sign that deal in a second. I'm not guaranteeing any 32 year old LB 10 million dollars. I doubt the Cards will either. He makes the money if he keeps producing.

 

[WisconsinCard]

KD would sign that deal in a second. I'm not guaranteeing any 32 year old LB 10 million dollars. I doubt the Cards will either. He makes the money if he keeps producing.

I'm with you, I would go with the contract previouly reported, only change the structure 2~years 10 Million with 6 of it guaranteed. 5 mil signing bonus 1 mil salary for this year and 4 mil next year.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Adam Schein: The Riskiest free agents of 2014

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...en-mcfadden-head-riskiest-free-agents-of-2014

5) Karlos Dansby, linebacker


I thought Dansby was absolutely superb for the Cardinals last year, filling up the stat sheet with 122 tackles, 6.5 sacks and four interceptions. But, as a respected NFC GM cautions, "He's 32. He is turning 33 this season. He played at a high level last year, but he's looking for a huge payday. You can't pay a 33-year-old inside linebacker top dollar. You just can't do it. It's a huge mistake. You can't be the team that gives it to him. He's perfect in Arizona. Everyone knows that."

Remember the last time Dansby left Arizona for greener pastures? He signed with the Miami Dolphins and fizzled in three nondescript seasons. This past year, Dansby spoke glowingly of his return to Arizona and how much it meant to him to be back. He should remember that when he finds a chilly reception on the open market.

I agree with Schein.