Daryl Washington - Conditionally Reinstated by NFL

[slinslin]

Fair enough.

Do you see any problem in trusting a guy like this ?

Does it matter? If he does not take it he is out, simple.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I hate that we reward these types of individuals with millions of dollars because they win the genetics lottery.

Not to get political, but this is small potatoes in comparison to the billions we give the monsters in politics who are way, way worse and far more dangerous and destructive.

Capitalism is not about morals.

 

[TRW]

My preference is that they just cut him. Take the cap hit this year and move on. Don't care if he goes to the Seahawks and is All-Pro. Enough is enough with this guy. Fool me once...etc.

 

[Stout]

We'll see. There's about 4 1/2 months until the season with minicamp, OTAs, meetings, TC, and five preseason games upcoming. There's not a single person who thinks we're getting 100% D-Wash this season, but to say he'd be "nowhere NEAR" football shape at this point is very premature.

Hey, that's not what I'm reading. People claiming that he can absolutely get into football shape aren't all saying that he won't be his usual self. I'm not saying he can't be back on the field, but there's NO WAY he will be anything but the ghost of his former shelf this first season.

One training camp and pre season you can be in foot all shape... My concern would be does he have the same instincts after not being around the game and seeing it at that speed for so long.... If he can be anywhere near the same player he was even for a season or 2 it Would-be a blessing and ill route for that to happen 1000%

No, one training camp and pre-season and old time football players were able to be in football shape...because they did it year after year. They didn't take four years off and then try to do it. Yes, off-season workouts have changed drastically, but nothing can get you ready to play football except playing football with regularity.

He'll be, at best, the ghost of his former self.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

isn't even married to the mother of his child unlike Dwash!

What on EARTH does that have to do with good or bad ?

This is 2017, not 1930. Times have vastly changed, I respect your point, but this out look is dated, and dare I say dangerous.

I'd say Fitzgerald is VERY smart that he is not married.

As for the other stuff, all your points are valid and true, but it is kind of funny to see you throwing another man under the bus to justify bringing in someone else with issues like Washington has.

To be fair to Fitzgerald, he definitely has a past of DV. It was over a decade ago, and Fitzgerald's ACTIONS since then has earned him his redemption and the trust of his team and its fans.

Washington has done nothing so far but talk. And his talk has been proven to be worthless, and not to be trusted.

Washington's actions will be what makes people believe he has changed. Thus time will tell. Washington is not going to "fix" this in a matter of a few days and with words that will fall on deaf ears.

The problem with pathological liars, is that the only thing that can prove they have changed is actions and time.

If the man has changed outside of football, that is awesome, good for him, and I hope he continues to improve and enjoy his life.

As for giving him a couple million, and relying on him in the context of sport? No, NO WAY. Got a lot to do to prove it would even be worth the time to bother with the guy.

Not because he is black, not because he smoked weed, not because there should be no second chances, but because he is a liar, and a cheat. That is his current reputation, and he has earned it with his actions.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Does it matter? If he does not take it he is out, simple.

Very true.

Just put a "you cannot lie about this stuff no more and get away with it clause" in the contract, I believe Tyrann Mathieu had something like that.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Hey, that's not what I'm reading. People claiming that he can absolutely get into football shape aren't all saying that he won't be his usual self. I'm not saying he can't be back on the field, but there's NO WAY he will be anything but the ghost of his former shelf this first season.



No, one training camp and pre-season and old time football players were able to be in football shape...because they did it year after year. They didn't take four years off and then try to do it. Yes, off-season workouts have changed drastically, but nothing can get you ready to play football except playing football with regularity.

He'll be, at best, the ghost of his former self.

George Foreman took 10 years off and then regained the Heavy Weight Championship.

He will not be as good as at age 28, that's a given.

Can he be a serviceable ILB at this point is simply an unknown.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

My advice to black american athletes would be to work on building a social media presence that portrays you as a sophisticated educated family man/conservative generally nice guy from the beginning otherwise people will relentlessly attack you with every fault they find.

Oh for Pete's sake. It has nothing to do with his race.

Its because he has lied to his employers and screwed over his team, done it five times, and have made this string out for over 5 years if you include all the problems he has cause by his own actions.

To quote a modern day philosopher, "Yes, the government conspires to put a lot of innocent black men in jail on fallacious charges. But Daryl Washington is *not* one of those men."

Or in other words, I understand and respect what you are saying, I just DO NOT think this applies here.

Not to mention if Washington was not rich, you think an every day black man would even get the offer of a second chance ? He is lucky he is rich.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

George Foreman took 10 years off and then regained the Heavy Weight Championship.

He will not be as good as at age 28, that's a given.

Can he be a serviceable ILB at this point is simply an unknown.

Good example.

But Foreman was a freak of nature, like he has dynamite in his gloves, or sleeping powder.

 

[cardsfanmd]

People get the benefit of the doubt until they don't deserve it anymore. It's that simple. WE DO know he raised his hand to a women (allegedly multiple times). No speculation needed. I don't assume the worst.



Immediately after Kidd incident, my view of him changed period. He was one of my favorite players. If the Suns had not traded him, it would have been the EXACT same result for me. I probably go to somewhere around 10 games a year. That would have changed had he stayed with the team. My view doesn't change based on sport.

As I stated before, I think to some extent guys deserve a second chance. I happen to draw the line at hitting a woman. So, it's not about "checkered" pasts. I hardly call laying a hand on a women "checkered". Again, it's where I draw the line. To me that goes light years beyond being an a-hole, having an attitude, drinking or other types of run ins with the law.

Also, a "good parent"? Really TJ? How the hell do you know what I tell my kids? What are suggesting about me as a parent? What kind if ignorant statement is that? My kids do well in this arena, thank you very much. FOR ME, it's about being a hypocrite by telling my daughters it's never right, then turning around and cheering for the douche bag on the field and supporting him. I try and give these guys the benefit of the doubt for "alleged" incidents but D-Wash admitted he did it. If you are comfortable cheering or supporting someone like that all the more power to you. Everybody has a line.

Can't not respect that.

 

[BigRedRage]

WRONG. Only differences between Larry and Dwash are that Larry is a fake nice guy who covers up his SHOCKING crimes, and isn't even married to the mother of his child unlike Dwash!

See here below, what Larry did to his 50 year baby momma was DISGUSTING even worse than what Dwash did to his girlfriend in self defense.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/12/31/nfl-superstar-accused-of-baby-mama-beatdown/

Oh and super speed.

He made a mistake, long long ago, yeah.

But overall, Larry is a great man, it is well documented. I could care less if he got married to his kids mom, that means nothing to me whatsoever.

 

[cardsfanmd]

The amusing double standard by the bible thumpers.

He served his punishment, therefore I see no problem giving him his chance.

My advice to black american athletes would be to work on building a social media presence that portrays you as a sophisticated educated family man/conservative generally nice guy from the beginning otherwise people will relentlessly attack you with every fault they find.

Or you could just advise them to not be criminals. That helps too.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We wouldn't watch if that was true

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That's not true. A person can be conflicted. When most of us were being raised on football we typically didn't know of the players' backgrounds, and those that were less than ethical people tended to be the exception to the rule rather than the overwhelming numbers that seem to exist today. So we developed a love for the sport, likely unknowingly supporting some less than ideal personas.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The amusing double standard by the bible thumpers.

He served his punishment, therefore I see no problem giving him his chance.

My advice to black american athletes would be to work on building a social media presence that portrays you as a sophisticated educated family man/conservative generally nice guy from the beginning otherwise people will relentlessly attack you with every fault they find.

You're chalking this up to racism?!? WTF?!?

He was caught multiple times taking illegal substances. He was caught beating a woman. These weren't made up because he's black. My god man!

 

[BigRedRage]

That's not true. A person can be conflicted. When most of us were being raised on football we typically didn't know of the players' backgrounds, and those that were less than ethical people tended to be the exception to the rule rather than the overwhelming numbers that seem to exist today. So we developed a love for the sport, likely unknowingly supporting some less than ideal personas.

I would bet the farm that nothing much has changed and that news and access to information is simply more plentiful and magnified.

Football is a blood-sport, I enjoy it for that and realize that the people out there are generally not the best people but it doesn't make much of a difference to me.

 

[imaCafan]

Or you could just advise them to not be criminals. That helps too.

Jim Carrey was a lawyer in "liar liar". One of his clients calls and asks how to keep the cops from arresting him. Carrey yells in the phone, "STOP breaking the LAW!" Yeah, that......

 

[juza76]

Dwash will speak and I am sure he is going to apologize with fans
The weed story was pretty clear, he disappointed everyone, and he has full responsibility on it, lying multiple times
The domestic violence does irritate me cause many people talk or write like all of them knows the real story
Probably its easy being the judge and putting the finger towards someone
we all agree he is not the best person in the world , but are we ?
He will get another chance to redeem himself

 

[Covert Rain]

The amusing double standard by the bible thumpers.

He served his punishment, therefore I see no problem giving him his chance.

My advice to black american athletes would be to work on building a social media presence that portrays you as a sophisticated educated family man/conservative generally nice guy from the beginning otherwise people will relentlessly attack you with every fault they find.

What does color or religion have to do with any of this? WTH are you talking about?

Here some advice for you, stop assuming people have a problem with the color of his skin or that because you are a Christian you are being biased about a woman beater.

This is coming from an Liberal leaning Independent.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Am I the only one that wants to see DWash suit up in Cardinal Red & wreak havoc on the opposition? I think it would be awesome.

I'm with you. I think it's great news. Last year the cards added the best defensive player in the draft in Jones. This year they can with Washington.

If he can play, he'll be on the team and a big time talent

 

[RON_IN_OC]

There are exceptions though, like Larry and Tillman

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Don't forget Larry has had some baby mama drama, too...it was just swept under the roll out field. None of them are infallible.

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[Ohcrap75]

I'm not God, I'm not a judge and I'm not a lawyer. I am a professional fan of the Cardinals though. So instead of wasting time judging what these players do off the field without all the facts, I will allow the professionals do that. I will instead use my time to sticking to what I am good at and that is cheering on my favorite team!

 

[Totally_Red]

At this point don't see the downside to exploring whether he can contribute in 2017. Give an incentive-laden contract including per-game roster bonuses
and let him earn a roster spot in training camp. He WAS an elite talent who HAS earned conditional reinstatement. There is no downside with giving him a
chance to prove he's a changed man. There IS a downside with depending on him to be more than a special teams contributor. The upside is large IF
he's kept himself in shape. The fact that he is apparently still respected by Larry Fitzgerald IS important.

 

[slinslin]

What does color or religion have to do with any of this? WTH are you talking about?

Here some advice for you, stop assuming people have a problem with the color of his skin or that because you are a Christian you are being biased about a woman beater.

This is coming from an Liberal leaning Independent.

Black athletes are being more critically looked at compared to white athletes, is there any question about that? Particularly those who fit black stereotypes that the general public has. Cam Newton would be one example of that, imagine if Newton messes up what the reaction would be. I mean that is a phenomenon that is not exclusive to athletes, that is a problem in society in general.
I am not following too closely but I have read a lot of dubious stuff about Gronkowski yet he seems to be a darling in the eye of many.

If you present yourself publically as the "nice guy" or "mainstream sophisticatedguy", you are more likely to get a pass when you mess up, see Fitz.

My general opinion is that teams should focus only on the sport and let authorities handle everything else. Washington is free and able to play and under contract? Sure, see what he has in the tank.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Black athletes are being more critically looked at compared to white athletes, is there any question about that? Particularly those who fit black stereotypes that the general public has. Cam Newton would be one example of that, imagine if Newton messes up what the reaction would be.
I am not following too closely but I have read a lot of dubious stuff about Gronkowski yet he seems to be a darling in the eye of many.

If you present yourself publically as the "nice guy" as someone put it, you are more likely to get a pass when you mess up, see Fitz.

My general opinion is that teams should focus only on the sport and let authorities handle everything else. Washington is free and able to play and under contract? Sure, see what he has in the tank.

I do believe there is truth to what you are saying in general, but I don't really think it applies to this case. I absolutely want to see if he can help the team. I don't believe that those who are opposed on this board feel this way because he is black. I think a better example would LeBron James. Never understood the level of hate for a person who has been about as clean as any high profile American in any profession.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Sell your souls people.

This guy royally screwed over the team multiple times. He flat out looked Cardinals management in the face, told them a lie, and stabbed them in the back when they turned around.

He was so messed up that the NFL wouldn't reinstate him for THREE YEARS! This is the same NFL that gives any thug with an ounce talent 15 chances.

I can't bring myself to trust this guy.