Dwight Freeney

[Jetstream Green]

then we have the same front four we had last season....but with Chandler Jones coming off the edge instead of Dwight Freeney.

And that is not enough... not signing Freeney when we have the edge to do so is just stupid in my opinion

 

[Cheesebeef]

And if he gets injured?

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or if he's merely a rookie and doesn't make that much of an impact?

 

[oaken1]

And that is not enough... not signing Freeney when we have the edge to do so is just stupid in my opinion

Y'all are placing an awful lot of faith and hope into a guy who is.... 36 years old.... he played well last year in limited duty on a short season...
but he is 36 years old....that is past retirement age for nfl linebackers...the difference between "can still be productive" ...and..." is a has been"...is merely moments...
he may be a legit freak and can be productive until he is 40...but I would not bet my money on it....
would you bet a couple million of your money on it?

there is a reason why teams invest their money in players who have a future instead of players who have a past.

 

[BigRedRage]

then we have the same front four we had last season....but with Chandler Jones coming off the edge instead of Dwight Freeney.

We need more pass rush, not a lateral year

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[BigRedRage]

Y'all are placing an awful lot of faith and hope into a guy who is.... 36 years old.... he played well last year in limited duty on a short season...
but he is 36 years old....that is past retirement age for nfl linebackers...the difference between "can still be productive" ...and..." is a has been"...is merely moments...
he may be a legit freak and can be productive until he is 40...but I would not bet my money on it....
would you bet a couple million of your money on it?

there is a reason why teams invest their money in players who have a future instead of players who have a past.

I don't want to give him starter money, in on with another deal like last year that is incentive laden. If he can deliver 10+ sacks he is worth money. Pretty sure he won two games for us when getting sacks last year

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[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't want to give him starter money, in on with another deal like last year that is incentive laden. If he can deliver 10+ sacks he is worth money. Pretty sure he won two games for us when getting sacks last year

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There's the rub. Who knows what Freeney is seeking money-wise. I'm sure he'd already be signed if he would agree to Keim's price.

I'm not too worried if he signs with the Cards or not. He's a nice complimentary piece but not a big difference maker. I'd sign him to an incentive laden contract just like last year.

 

[Sunburn]

Have no fear Cards fans. He will be in Cardinal red by the start of the season. Just pulling the 'ol vet move and gonna miss training camp.

 

[oaken1]

Have no fear Cards fans. He will be in Cardinal red by the start of the season. Just pulling the 'ol vet move and gonna miss training camp.

don't think that is true...he has been publically stating he wants to sign, like,...right now...even stated he wants to attend camp this off season....I think he is worried he will not be offered a job this season, which is why he is now taking interviews with other teams.

 

[oaken1]

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not so sure Freeney wants to play for vet-min...... but if he did it would not hurt our cap so much

 

[Mitch]

There's the rub. Who knows what Freeney is seeking money-wise. I'm sure he'd already be signed if he would agree to Keim's price.

I'm not too worried if he signs with the Cards or not. He's a nice complimentary piece but not a big difference maker. I'd sign him to an incentive laden contract just like last year.

Freeney's agent is doing all the right things---having him state his intention to sign early on NFL Network and arranging two visits to try to create an urgency for teams to sign him.

I think it is superb that he wants to sign early this year. The sooner he is part of a team, the better for him and the team.

I thought he was a huge difference maker last year as a rush specialist and I am surprised that he hasn't generated more interest, especially from the Cardinals. Maybe the Cardinals are still leery about the second year deal they had and got burned on with John Abraham? It would seem Dwight Freeney is whole different kind of player and person, however.

 

[BACH]

not so sure Freeney wants to play for vet-min...... but if he did it would not hurt our cap so much

He did last year - With a sack bonus. I doubt money is the issue. It's more about reserving a roster spot for a one year Solution and perhaps having having to cut a more long term valuable player

 

[Cardiac]

He had two coverage sacks against that woeful Saints team in game 1 and then was a complete and utter ghost for the next four games where had a total of 7 tackles... period. That's 2 sacks and 10 tackles in 5 GAMES. That sucks and certainly isn't a pace for 16 sacks in a season. I mean, come on Cardiac.

And he was injured and tried to plat fhrugh it.

and i hate when people do the above, making it seem like people are talking about him like he was Strahan. The reality is he was the ONLY guy who could actually get pressure on the QB, consistently, whether that was hurries or actual sacks. And he's not an idiot like Okafor who took himself OUT of the season after getting healthy.

Fair enugh with the Strahan reference. The point I was trying to make is that Freeney may not be worth keeping if it means we lose a young pass rusher who just needs some mor time to develop.

over a knucklehead like Okafor? I don't see how that's possible.

Yes Okafor made a mistake, one strike and your out and it wasn't a crime etc.

My guess is that BASK has some faith in some of the youngins and have decided they are okay without Freeney. Hope they are right.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Hope they are right.

As they say, "hope is not a plan". Here's hoping they are. (Although I'd rather pay Freeney as an insurance policy)

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

For those that want to sign Freeney, what would you pay him? If he was willing to play for the vet minimum, plus incentives, I'm sure he'd already be on the Cards roster.

I'm guessing he wants paid nicely as the Bengals didn't sign him either. We're talking about a guy who's going play a minimal number of snaps per game. An incentive based contract is all I would offer. Just like last year, if he makes an impact, he gets paid. If not, he's not hurting the cap.

 

[BigRedRage]

For those that want to sign Freeney, what would you pay him? If he was willing to play for the vet minimum, plus incentives, I'm sure he'd already be on the Cards roster.

I'm guessing he wants paid nicely as the Bengals didn't sign him either. We're talking about a guy who's going play a minimal number of snaps per game. An incentive based contract is all I would offer. Just like last year, if he makes an impact, he gets paid. If not, he's not hurting the cap.

maybe getting turned down for higher paydays sends him back here for vet minimum plus incentives basically same deal as last year.

 

[Mitch]

For those that want to sign Freeney, what would you pay him? If he was willing to play for the vet minimum, plus incentives, I'm sure he'd already be on the Cards roster.

I'm guessing he wants paid nicely as the Bengals didn't sign him either. We're talking about a guy who's going play a minimal number of snaps per game. An incentive based contract is all I would offer. Just like last year, if he makes an impact, he gets paid. If not, he's not hurting the cap.

I think he deserves twice the minimum plus incentives---I would say $2M + $75K a sack.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Falcons passing on Freeney, could revisit signing him later

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[Cheesebeef]

Yes Okafor made a mistake, one strike and your out and it wasn't a crime etc.

My guess is that BASK has some faith in some of the youngins and have decided they are okay without Freeney. Hope they are right.

they thought that last year and to be honest, it shouldn't have taken an injury to bring Freeney in last year. We might not have that luxury this year if the youngsters do next to nothing again.

 

[Sunburn]

I don't understand. Don't we have 4 million in cap space? Isn't that enough to bring in Freeney and still have some some change left for a vet CB? I don't understand what the problem is. He was by far our best rusher last year. Our D had teeth with him. Don't we want as many difference makers as we can get?

 

[Shane]

I don't understand. Don't we have 4 million in cap space? Isn't that enough to bring in Freeney and still have some some change left for a vet cb? I don't understand what the problem is. He was by far our best rusher last year.

Rookie cap alone is almost 4 million now that all signed I don't think there's much left... It's one of the reasons everyone was hoping a Callais Campbell restructure/ extension could get done

 

[Sunburn]

Seems pretty simple to me. Are we a better D with Jones and Freeney coming off the edges, or Jones and Okafor/Golden?

 

[Sunburn]

Gotta remind myself to have faith in BASK. Any football decision that seems simple to me, that BASK has not made, is obviously not as simple as it appears.

 

[TJ]

I don't understand. Don't we have 4 million in cap space? Isn't that enough to bring in Freeney and still have some some change left for a vet CB? I don't understand what the problem is. He was by far our best rusher last year. Our D had teeth with him. Don't we want as many difference makers as we can get?

Need some cushion in the cap for IR purposes.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Rookie cap alone is almost 4 million now that all signed I don't think there's much left... It's one of the reasons everyone was hoping a Callais Campbell restructure/ extension could get done

I wonder if this is holding up the HB extension, too.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I don't understand. Don't we have 4 million in cap space? Isn't that enough to bring in Freeney and still have some some change left for a vet CB? I don't understand what the problem is. He was by far our best rusher last year. Our D had teeth with him. Don't we want as many difference makers as we can get?

Remember it takes two to negotiate. Who know what the asking price is. Teams know it will only decrease the closer it gets to the start of the season.