Favorite qb in the upcoming draft not named Bridgewater?

[Cbus cardsfan]

Im suprised it took to page 2 for someone to mention him. He is a prototypical NFL QB, size, arm, accuracy etc

6'1, 211 is not prototypical NFL size. He is very accurate though. To me he's the QB who most compares to Brees. But he has struggled against top teams in the past and I'm not sure about the arm strength even though that can be overrated.

 

[cardncubfan]

Honestly just watch the touch he puts on the ball. Its ridiculous. And he has a howitzer too. Exceptional Arm talent. And MAN can he run too. Glad he is getting the recognition he deserves. Theres a reason Manziel commited to Oregon and then decided he would rather play closer to home. Its Mariota.

But you need to watch Jameis Winston closer. Even more physically gifted then Mariota and read this article:

[B]http://espn.go.com/college-footb...inston-legend-making-first-seminoles-snap[/B]

Again hell be a top 3 prospect ever when hes eligible. Love both these guys and would pass out should either be lucky enough to don Cardinal red.

Awesome article AF. I'm an instant fan now.

 

[ajcardfan]

Honestly just watch the touch he puts on the ball. Its ridiculous. And he has a howitzer too. Exceptional Arm talent. And MAN can he run too. Glad he is getting the recognition he deserves. Theres a reason Manziel commited to Oregon and then decided he would rather play closer to home. Its Mariota.

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Actually, neither Manziel or Mariota were the top QB in that recruiting class at Oregon. The top prospect at QB for Oregon that year was Jerrard Randall and neither was really on the radar nationally. Manziel was the 39th ranked QB and Mariota was 210th (according to ESPN). Manziel couldn't even get recruited by the big schools in his home state until Sumlin took the job and called him. Then, he jumped at the chance, good move no doubt.

 

[Gaddabout]

He's the most physically gifted Oregon quarterback I've ever seen. He's on the same level athletically as a prospect like Ryan Tannehil with more polish.

Well, let's see:

Speed:
Tannehill: 4.65 40
Mariota: 4.42 40

They're both the same height, Tannehill is about 10 pounds heavier. Tannehill has a strong arm, Mariota has a RIDICULOUS arm.

No. I totally disagree.

 

[GatorAZ]

Well, let's see:

Speed:
Tannehill: 4.65 40
Mariota: 4.42 40

They're both the same height, Tannehill is about 10 pounds heavier. Tannehill has a strong arm, Mariota has a RIDICULOUS arm.

No. I totally disagree.

Where did that time come from? Anyways that's fast if true since RG3 was around there...

Tannehill lead his team in receiving before switching to QB. He may not be as shifty but the arm-strength jumps off the screen equally. Reminds me of Cutler's arm but better mechanics.

 

[Gaddabout]

Where did that time come from? Anyways that's fast if true since RG3 was around there...

Tannehill lead his team in receiving before switching to QB. He may not be as shifty but the arm-strength jumps off the screen equally. Reminds me of Cutler's arm but better mechanics.

That's the the low time he ran at one of the combines. I think officially he's at 4.48. Either way, he's a freak.

I'll say this: Mariota is built like a dream QB, but the one thing he doesn't have is a natural feel for the position. He throws a BEAUTIFUL ball, IMO. He can put up stats. But he just doesn't naturally play the position like, say, Johnny Football. Manziel has an instinctive feel for the position that's special. Even when he's not reading defenses well, he turns any given play into backyard football and can do that when it counts in the 4th quarter. Mariota is much more comfortable staying within the play and being a multi-threat, but I have no idea how he'd respond under pressure. He didn't respond well at LSU as a freshman. But, you know, that can change.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If we're looking at a QB the Cards will draft, the first thing to look at is whether they are a fit for Arians offense. The guy is going to have to be a pocket passer first. Look at Arians history, he's had Manning, Ben, Luck, and now Palmer. Ben and Luck have mobility but they are pocket passers first and can beat a team from the pocket.

I don't think guy's like Manziel, Mariota, and other spread offense QB's fit his style of QB. The guy's that fit his style are Carr, Murray, Morris, Bridgewater, Hundley, McCarron, Mettenberg, and to a lesser extent Boyd. I'd bet Arians and Tom Moore have little interest in dual threat QB's.

Out of the group I listed, I think Hundley is probably the best fit. He flings it downfield and is a passer first, yet has the mobility to escape the rush.

 

[Joe Mama]

If we're looking at a QB the Cards will draft, the first thing to look at is whether they are a fit for Arians offense. The guy is going to have to be a pocket passer first. Look at Arians history, he's had Manning, Ben, Luck, and now Palmer. Ben and Luck have mobility but they are pocket passers first and can beat a team from the pocket.

I don't think guy's like Manziel, Mariota, and other spread offense QB's fit his style of QB. The guy's that fit his style are Carr, Murray, Morris, Bridgewater, Hundley, McCarron, Mettenberg, and to a lesser extent Boyd. I'd bet Arians and Tom Moore have little interest in dual threat QB's.

Out of the group I listed, I think Hundley is probably the best fit. He flings it downfield and is a passer first, yet has the mobility to escape the rush.

not to mention Hundley and some of these other guys have the size to get away with running around a little bit. Manziel is going to spend a great deal of what I think will be a relatively short NFL career on the bench injured. He's going to get crushed in the NFL

 

[football karma]

If we're looking at a QB the Cards will draft, the first thing to look at is whether they are a fit for Arians offense. The guy is going to have to be a pocket passer first. Look at Arians history, he's had Manning, Ben, Luck, and now Palmer. Ben and Luck have mobility but they are pocket passers first and can beat a team from the pocket.

I don't think guy's like Manziel, Mariota, and other spread offense QB's fit his style of QB. The guy's that fit his style are Carr, Murray, Morris, Bridgewater, Hundley, McCarron, Mettenberg, and to a lesser extent Boyd. I'd bet Arians and Tom Moore have little interest in dual threat QB's.

Out of the group I listed, I think Hundley is probably the best fit. He flings it downfield and is a passer first, yet has the mobility to escape the rush.

I think this is right -- although I think Mariotta could likely turn into a very good pocket first guy

I also think that the Cards will win enough games to where Bridgewater, Mariotta and Hundley will be out of range -- even in a trade up situation ( I just think there is a bad combo of enough teams higher that need QBs and top notch non-QB players that the teams willing to trade out wont want to miss out on)

So it really comes down to how you feel about the Taj Boyd, Aaron Murray, Carr, Mettenberger or AJ McCarron group.

 

[kerouac9]

If we're looking at a QB the Cards will draft, the first thing to look at is whether they are a fit for Arians offense. The guy is going to have to be a pocket passer first. Look at Arians history, he's had Manning, Ben, Luck, and now Palmer. Ben and Luck have mobility but they are pocket passers first and can beat a team from the pocket.

I don't think guy's like Manziel, Mariota, and other spread offense QB's fit his style of QB. The guy's that fit his style are Carr, Murray, Morris, Bridgewater, Hundley, McCarron, Mettenberg, and to a lesser extent Boyd. I'd bet Arians and Tom Moore have little interest in dual threat QB's.

Out of the group I listed, I think Hundley is probably the best fit. He flings it downfield and is a passer first, yet has the mobility to escape the rush.

I'd believe this if Arians wins 10 games and goes to the playoffs this year. But right now, Steve Keim is the head man in charge of personnel and the draft, and the final decision will be with him and Mike Bidwill, particularly if we pick a first-round quarterback.

I think that Steve Keim likes toolsy players who aren't 100% finished products--it's why he's willing to go with underclassmen and guys from small schools like Watford. IMO, it's why he liked Cutler better than Leinart. Remember, also, that Michael Bidwill was allegedly "obsessed" with Russell Wilson and why we didn't draft him.

I think that Keim won't pass over a guy who can have mobility along with adequate arm strength, intangibles, etc. I don't even think that a winning tradition is as important to Keim as having the raw talent (think Andre Roberts, as well).

 

[Mulli]

For the sake of discussion:

Is Big Ben a standard pocket, non-scrambling QB? I submit he is not.

 

[B-Dogg]

Well if the Cards are to draft a QB this is the year, best QB draft in a long time imo just as talented and deeper than the Luck, RG3, Wilson, draft. If I were the Cards I would pull a Redskins and get the QB you want by any means necessary and pick up another later in the draft like they did with Cousins, it is impossible to have too many good QB's in this league.

 

[GatorAZ]

That's the the low time he ran at one of the combines. I think officially he's at 4.48. Either way, he's a freak.

I'll say this: Mariota is built like a dream QB, but the one thing he doesn't have is a natural feel for the position. He throws a BEAUTIFUL ball, IMO. He can put up stats. But he just doesn't naturally play the position like, say, Johnny Football. Manziel has an instinctive feel for the position that's special. Even when he's not reading defenses well, he turns any given play into backyard football and can do that when it counts in the 4th quarter. Mariota is much more comfortable staying within the play and being a multi-threat, but I have no idea how he'd respond under pressure. He didn't respond well at LSU as a freshman. But, you know, that can change.

Who didn't respond well vs LSU? Manziel?? When Oregon played LSU two years ago i thought Thomas as still their QB... Maybe i'm confused.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Well, let's see:

Speed:
Tannehill: 4.65 40
Mariota: 4.42 40

They're both the same height, Tannehill is about 10 pounds heavier. Tannehill has a strong arm, Mariota has a RIDICULOUS arm.

No. I totally disagree.

Not even on the same planet IMO. Mariota is FAR more polished as a passer as well.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

If we're looking at a QB the Cards will draft, the first thing to look at is whether they are a fit for Arians offense. The guy is going to have to be a pocket passer first. Look at Arians history, he's had Manning, Ben, Luck, and now Palmer. Ben and Luck have mobility but they are pocket passers first and can beat a team from the pocket.

I don't think guy's like Manziel, Mariota, and other spread offense QB's fit his style of QB. The guy's that fit his style are Carr, Murray, Morris, Bridgewater, Hundley, McCarron, Mettenberg, and to a lesser extent Boyd. I'd bet Arians and Tom Moore have little interest in dual threat QB's.

Out of the group I listed, I think Hundley is probably the best fit. He flings it downfield and is a passer first, yet has the mobility to escape the rush.

Ive thought about this too but thing Mariota is mislabeled. To me Arians is looking for A) Big Arm and B) Makeup and Mariota has both of those in spades.

I am praying we dont downgrade him just because he is fast and can run. To me he can and will be a pocket passer just like Luck. And if it breaks down? Well then he is going to out run you.

I like Hundley too. Christ I like all Pac 12 QBs. Except my own BJ Denker of course

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Actually, neither Manziel or Mariota were the top QB in that recruiting class at Oregon. The top prospect at QB for Oregon that year was Jerrard Randall and neither was really on the radar nationally. Manziel was the 39th ranked QB and Mariota was 210th (according to ESPN). Manziel couldn't even get recruited by the big schools in his home state until Sumlin took the job and called him. Then, he jumped at the chance, good move no doubt.

Good info.

 

[Southpaw]

Well Stephen Morris, U of Miami QB, got the national spotlight last night against N Car and soiled the sheets. Scratch him off of the list. He is a guy who never has progressed.

 

[Gaddabout]

Who didn't respond well vs LSU? Manziel?? When Oregon played LSU two years ago i thought Thomas as still their QB... Maybe i'm confused.

You're right. I knew this and still had a brain fart. Mariota was redshirting. It was the 2012 Stanford game when he disappeared. Still his freshman year.

Also agree with you that he's a better passer than Tannehill. That was the point of my argument. Mariota's the most physically gifted QB I've ever witnessed in person, and I've been going to Pac games since 1974. I thought Andrew Luck would be the best I ever saw. Luck was Elway, IMO. Mariota does things neither of those guys could do.

Manziel is Jake Plummer II, IMO, but I think he's more efficient than Plummer. I loved Jake but I never would have drafted him. All his 4th quarter comebacks in college were needed in large part because he'd thrown so many interceptions in the first three. I'd stay away from Manziel, too, though I think he is capable of having instant success because of the way he plays. Also has a better arm.

 

[pacman]

I think Manziel is the only QB that would not fit well in Bruce Arians' offense. His whole game is based on the offense breaking down and making sensational plays out of nothing. I don't really see him being capable of reading the defense under center. I don't think he will be a good QB in the NFL. He's seriously a douche and doesn't have the leadership skills to be an NFL QB. Really doubtful that the Cards will take him imo. But hey if I'm wrong quote this

And yes I do think Mariota fits Arians' scheme just as well as the other QBs. He constantly scans the defense and definitely has an arm Arians would like. Only thing he'll have to learn how to do is take the ball under center which RG3 had to do and it worked out fine.

 

[Buckybird]

I think Manziel is the only QB that would not fit well in Bruce Arians' offense. His whole game is based on the offense breaking down and making sensational plays out of nothing. I don't really see him being capable of reading the defense under center. I don't think he will be a good QB in the NFL. He's seriously a douche and doesn't have the leadership skills to be an NFL QB. Really doubtful that the Cards will take him imo. But hey if I'm wrong quote this

And yes I do think Mariota fits Arians' scheme just as well as the other QBs. He constantly scans the defense and definitely has an arm Arians would like. Only thing he'll have to learn how to do is take the ball under center which RG3 had to do and it worked out fine.

The problem with ur assessment IMO is that Meziel is RGIIIs twin in college & at the NFL level. I would take him in a heartbeat.

 

[Phrazbit]

I dont think Manziel has the arm strength or the speed that RG did, however... I have seen Johnny Football throw into tight windows for big completions, and make big throws against elite defenses. I did not see RGIII pull off that stuff, when I watched him he was running around making time with his feet and mostly throwing to wide open guys, the kind of throws that do not exist for the most part in the NFL.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I think that Steve Keim likes toolsy players who aren't 100% finished products--it's why he's willing to go with underclassmen and guys from small schools like Watford. IMO, it's why he liked Cutler better than Leinart. Remember, also, that Michael Bidwill was allegedly "obsessed" with Russell Wilson and why we didn't draft him.

Can you expand on the Russel Wilson thing?

 

[kerouac9]

Can you expand on the Russel Wilson thing?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/did-i-hear-jurecki-191669.html

This is the only place that I could find the reference. It's Mike Jurecki via Mitch, so caveat emptor. I bet you could tweet Jurecki about it and have him confirm the anecdote.

 

[Russ Smith]

Hundley showing why I still think he's overrated. Looks pretty spotty against Stanford, not running when he should, and missing wide open throws underneath, even the announcer is on him about it which if you pay attention means Mora told them before the game thats been his weakness.

Hogan looks a little better, had a bomb TD pass that Ty Montgomery dropped, but defensive struggle right now.

I think Hundley will play in the NFL don't get me wrong ,but he's not accurate and for a good athlete he has no idea when to run.

 

[football karma]

Hundley showing why I still think he's overrated. Looks pretty spotty against Stanford, not running when he should, and missing wide open throws underneath, even the announcer is on him about it which if you pay attention means Mora told them before the game thats been his weakness.

Hogan looks a little better, had a bomb TD pass that Ty Montgomery dropped, but defensive struggle right now.

I think Hundley will play in the NFL don't get me wrong ,but he's not accurate and for a good athlete he has no idea when to run.

The more I watch Hundley, the more I believe that: If drafted, he needs to watch for a full year. Ideally, he needs at least one, probably two more college seasons.