Gabbert assessment

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's amazing with all these unsourced facts that Blaine Gabbert was one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL last year (-25.4% DVOA would have been 3rd-worst in the NFL had he had enough attempts to qualify). While his 175 rushing yards might have put him atop the NFL before he was benched for a guy who doesn't have a job right now, his runs were only slighly more efficient than Matt Ryan's.

Let's look at where Gabbert has ranked in DVOA during his career:
2016 - Didn't qualify; 6 extra attempts would have put him 33rd—above Brock Osweiler and Jared Goff
2015 - 31st
2014 - Didn't play because he's garbage and was benched for another garbage QB
2013 - Failed to qualify, but he did manage to throw 7 INTs vs 1 TD in 3 games
2012 - 34th (worse than Jake Locker)
2011 - 46th (worse than every qualifying QB except Caleb Hanie)

Robert, you really need to find a better hero. You deserve to look up to more than someone who's absolute butt.

He knows gabbert on a personal level. Give the guy a break.

 

[BigRedRage]

I know I'm in the minority here but it seems to me Bruce has a long term plan for Gabs. He went directly to work with first team and he is pretty high on the priority list of team site roster photos.

I dont think BA controls where the photos go on the website

 

[robert ethan]

I dont think BA controls where the photos go on the website

Pretty sure the PR guys consult with the coaching staff with regards to what they put up, and when. Otherwise they end up looking stupid by hyping a guy up who gets cut two days later. The articles stay up, so they have to bear the responsibility. I think it's actually the most accurate information you get from the team regarding pecking order and status of the players. You have to divine the entrails, because they very seldom come right out and make public the information until it's written in stone.

 

[BigRedRage]

Pretty sure the PR guys consult with the coaching staff with regards to what they put up, and when. Otherwise they end up looking stupid by hyping a guy up who gets cut two days later. The articles stay up, so they have to bear the responsibility. I think it's actually the most accurate information you get from the team regarding pecking order and status of the players. You have to divine the entrails, because they very seldom come right out and make public the information until it's written in stone.

I disagree. Our PR guys like to focus a lot on guys who will be cut during the offseason. I dont think the coach gives a rats ass about what order to put players pictures in. You are reaching. Its ok to be optimistic and a fan but this is a major reach taking the order of photos as something worth seeing. I mean, andre ellington came in the first 10 photos and he is NOT part of the top ten most important players this year. Reaching.

 

[robert ethan]

Ellington is #2 RB until further notice. Brown is #2 receiver. Nelson #3. Gresham #1 TE. Niklas #2. Humphries, Iupati, Veldheer, Boehm, Shipley top 5 linemen in all likelyhood. They all appear in order according to position pretty much. It's not absolute, but pretty close to expected results. The order of QBs is Palmer, Gabbert, and Knight. That makes all kinds of sense, because if they only dress 2 QBs, you can't put Stanton or Dysert on a practice squad.

The entrails have spoken...... Little Grasshopper.

 

[cardncubfan]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...backs-career-record-ranked/ss-BBBiOcz#image=2

 

[robert ethan]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...backs-career-record-ranked/ss-BBBiOcz#image=2

Half assed opinion from some toadie punching computer buttons. The internet is awash with them. Gabbert has learned to ignore them, because as he says "Those guys aren't in the building and there is a reason for it. I respect the people who are, because there's a reason they are here and the critics aren't". Or words to that effect.

 

[BigRedRage]

Ellington is #2 RB until further notice. Brown is #2 receiver. Nelson #3. Gresham #1 TE. Niklas #2. Humphries, Iupati, Veldheer, Boehm, Shipley top 5 linemen in all likelyhood. They all appear in order according to position pretty much. It's not absolute, but pretty close to expected results. The order of QBs is Palmer, Gabbert, and Knight. That makes all kinds of sense, because if they only dress 2 QBs, you can't put Stanton or Dysert on a practice squad.

The entrails have spoken...... Little Grasshopper.

Ellington is a WR.

 

[robert ethan]

Ellington is a WR.

Only to get him more touches. If Johnson goes down I have a feeling he'll be a RB again in short order.

 

[BigRedRage]

Only to get him more touches. If Johnson goes down I have a feeling he'll be a RB again in short order.

hes a WR because hes been mostly useless at RB. We will bring in another veteran RB and it will be DJ, veteran, K williams and elijah penny.

I know you are new to the cardinals but lets not assume you have a firmer grasp of what the team we have been following for ages is up to than the people on this board.

 

[robert ethan]

hes a WR because hes been mostly useless at RB. We will bring in another veteran RB and it will be DJ, veteran, K williams and elijah penny.

I know you are new to the cardinals but lets not assume you have a firmer grasp of what the team we have been following for ages is up to than the people on this board.

Well, the guy has been a RB for his entire career, and he's 28. I don't think he would forget how to do it if he played WR for a few games.

 

[BigRedRage]

Well, the guy has been a RB for his entire career, and he's 28. I don't think he would forget how to do it if he played WR for a few games.

I never said anything about him forgetting how to play RB. I said hes not our #2 RB. The way they displayed the pictuers is not determining the depth chart.

 

[Lagerfilled]

I never said anything about him forgetting how to play RB. I said hes not our #2 RB. The way they displayed the pictuers is not determining the depth chart.

The current RB depth chart is DJ, Kerwynn, Penny, and Logan. And I don't see AE beating out - Fitz, Smoke, Fire, Jaron, or CWill. At WR #6, I'd wager someone with size like Hogan, Agudosi, or Clark will earn a spot.

Sorry folks, Ellington is not making this roster. He's too soft and with Logan he's redundant. See him standing on the sidelines in street clothes the other day at OTAs?

 

[robert ethan]

I don't think Ellington needs a clear cut position to stay on the roster. Added versatility will help his cause. He's tough, durable, and good character guy from what I've heard. You don't just toss those players aside for a shiny new toy.

 

[oaken1]

Ellington is #2 RB until further notice. Brown is #2 receiver. Nelson #3. Gresham #1 TE. Niklas #2. Humphries, Iupati, Veldheer, Boehm, Shipley top 5 linemen in all likelyhood. They all appear in order according to position pretty much. It's not absolute, but pretty close to expected results. The order of QBs is Palmer, Gabbert, and Knight. That makes all kinds of sense, because if they only dress 2 QBs, you can't put Stanton or Dysert on a practice squad.

The entrails have spoken...... Little Grasshopper.

incorrect. Ellington is #5 WR right now.....had you been a cardinal fan you would know these things

 

[oaken1]

I don't think Ellington needs a clear cut position to stay on the roster. Added versatility will help his cause. He's tough, durable, and good character guy from what I've heard. You don't just toss those players aside for a shiny new toy.

This is exactly NOT Andre Ellington,...and exactly WHY he may not even make the team. Dude is afraid of contact,...the coach even mentioned it after OTA's the other day...being afraid to get hit is a death sentence for a RB.
If he does not learn his route trees he will be on a different roster or selling insurance come September.
Or apprenticing under Bucky Brooks...

 

[robert ethan]

I'd lay money that he makes the team if he's healthy. I think the reason Arians is working him as a receiver is so he has more of a
reason to dress him as a backup. Same thing as spare linemen having to learn multiple positions. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same with Logan. He's virtually a clone of Ellington.

 

[Lagerfilled]

This is exactly NOT Andre Ellington,...and exactly WHY he may not even make the team. Dude is afraid of contact,...the coach even mentioned it after OTA's the other day...being afraid to get hit is a death sentence for a RB.
If he does not learn his route trees he will be on a different roster or selling insurance come September.
Or apprenticing under Bucky Brooks...

Bingo! You tell me Bob, who is AE going to beat out at either position? Better yet, what drafted rookie is getting cut so AE has a roster spot?

 

[robert ethan]

Bingo! You tell me Bob, who is AE going to beat out at either position? Better yet, what drafted rookie is getting cut so AE has a roster spot?

Not all the players at both positions are going to be healthy come cut down time. That's a pretty safe bet.

 

[Lagerfilled]

Not all the players at both positions are going to be healthy come cut down time. That's a pretty safe bet.

Good grief... it's like talking to a democrat. Never mind the facts. Let's look over here at Russia.

 

[robert ethan]

Good grief... it's like talking to a democrat. Never mind the facts. Let's look over here at Russia.

The "facts" are that an NFL team rarely, if ever, has all of 53 of their top rated players available to play. Most teams keep about 10 players on the roster at the combined positions that Ellington would be able to play (RB, WR, SR, KR) . I'd say at any given time 2 of them would be unavailable.

 

[BigRedRage]

The current RB depth chart is DJ, Kerwynn, Penny, and Logan. And I don't see AE beating out - Fitz, Smoke, Fire, Jaron, or CWill. At WR #6, I'd wager someone with size like Hogan, Agudosi, or Clark will earn a spot.

Sorry folks, Ellington is not making this roster. He's too soft and with Logan he's redundant. See him standing on the sidelines in street clothes the other day at OTAs?

I forgot about the rookie


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[BigRedRage]

The "facts" are that an NFL team rarely, if ever, has all of 53 of their top rated players available to play. Most teams keep about 10 players on the roster at the combined positions that Ellington would be able to play (RB, WR, SR, KR) . I'd say at any given time 2 of them would be unavailable.

Ellington is not a returner

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Pretty sure the PR guys consult with the coaching staff with regards to what they put up, and when. Otherwise they end up looking stupid by hyping a guy up who gets cut two days later. The articles stay up, so they have to bear the responsibility. I think it's actually the most accurate information you get from the team regarding pecking order and status of the players. You have to divine the entrails, because they very seldom come right out and make public the information until it's written in stone.

Aaaaand you're officially off the rails. You're on your own buddy. Good luck.

 

[Mainstreet]

Good grief... it's like talking to a democrat. Never mind the facts. Let's look over here at Russia.

I think it is mostly Trump supporters who ignore the facts.