Haley in AZ Today For Interview

[Totally_Red]

I kind of agree with your thoughts on Haley.

I remember an interview with Chiefs All Pro Guard Brian Waters about his first meeting with Haley.

Now remember that Waters is probably the best player on the Chiefs and Haley has just gotten the job and is walking through the Chiefs complex and they come face to face.

In Waters words he stops introduces himself and trys to shake Haleys hand and that if if Haley has some time he would like to talk to him and give him his thoughts on what they needed to improve the team.

Haley rebuffed his hand shake told Waters in no uncertain terms that his job was to play football and he should leave the f***ing coaching to him.

When I heard the interview Waters was mad, really mad.

That being said Haley ended up winning some games in KC.

That's what makes me so ambivalent about Todd. Do the Cardinals need someone with fire and passion? To a point yes. But we also don't need an a$$hole either. You would hope Haley had learned something from his stint in KC, but how do we know for sure?

To win the NFC West, the Cardinals are going to need an excellent head coach. After all, the division probably has three of the 8 or 9 best head coaches in the entire National Football League. It won't be enough to upgrade the quarterback and offensive line. We will have to have a head coach who can hire outstanding coordinators and position coaches. Seattle's two coordinators and SF's offensive coordinator are interviewing for head coaching positions. That tells me they have solid coordinators in place.

This head coaching decision, along with the draft, is critical to determining if the Cardinals again become competitive in the NFC West or continue being the division's whipping boy. Steve Keim was a good first step IMO. Take your time Michael and GET IT RIGHT. The Cardinals can't afford a bad or mediocre choice. Do what it takes to get the right guy!

 

[GuernseyCard]

I'm not on the Haley bandwagon, but - I somehow doubt that he'd have been hired by Pittsburgh if he was the complete headcase, he's made out to be.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

And the Cards had a ton more talent and still barely made the playoffs.

Okay, but what about this year when Whiz beats as many winning teams as Haley did in his three years in KC?

Haley had exactly zero wins against playoff teams in his 45 games in KC.

 

[john h]

ut ohhhhhhh, multiple sources reporting haley is in today for his interview.

I do not know if Haley is the devil himself or a genius. Clearly many on this board have very strong opinions about him. If he can coach for the Steelers it would seem he must have some credibility but that is for others who know him. If he is all that bad and our GM hires him what does that say about our GM? Based on what I know which in little to nothing about HCs I will go with whoever our new leaders choose.

 

[JeffGollin]

...If he can coach for the Steelers it would seem he must have some credibility...

Grimm coached for the Steelers.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm not on the Haley bandwagon, but - I somehow doubt that he'd have been hired by Pittsburgh if he was the complete headcase, he's made out to be.

It was reported that Haley was more or less forced on Tomlin by ownership. The owners wanted to get back to running the ball more and wanted someone to crack down on Ben. I didn't undertsand that thinking but that seemed to be the prevailing thought.

 

[CardsFan88]

Food for thought.

Say we bring back Haley (or any coach with the personality like Haley)....

Who would you rather be the GM, and think could truly be collabrative with such a forceful and strong personality?

Rod Graves?

Steve Keim?

Personally I think Keim can handle whatever any coach would throw at them. Thus if Haley was to be our 'strong coach to MB's choice of a strong GM', then at least on that I'm feeling better about it.

I think Graves would be hard pressed to win an argument with Tobin. If one was ever possible.

 

[JeffGollin]

Food for thought.

Say we bring back Haley (or any coach with the personality like Haley)....

Who would you rather be the GM, and think could truly be collabrative with such a forceful and strong personality?

Rod Graves?

Steve Keim?

Personally I think Keim can handle whatever any coach would throw at them. Thus if Haley was to be our 'strong coach to MB's choice of a strong GM', then at least on that I'm feeling better about it.

I think Graves would be hard pressed to win an argument with Tobin. If one was ever possible.

Remember that Haley was a tough guy hired by a "player's coach" (Wiz).

If we think we need a tougher guy to hold our offensive players accountable, you don't necessarily need a tough HC. Instead, you can hire an even-keeled HC with other attributes you deem important (like a creative offensive guru, "a good organizer of men", great motivator etc.)

Then let him a hire a tough OC or position coaches to be the heavies.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Darren Urban ‏@Cardschatter
I can hear that Q laugh now RT @AdamSchein: I asked Boldin about Todd Haley interviewing for the Cards gig. Hearty laughter followed.

Darren Urban ‏@Cardschatter
Most of the time, when you asked Boldin a question that he knew he couldn't be candid about publicly, you got the hearty laugh.

Football Jesus has spoken..... Get this jackhole on the next plane to Pittsburgh.

 

[Dr. Jones]

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Kent Somers ‏@kentsomers
Greatest laugh in the NFL. RT @AdamSchein: I asked Boldin about Todd Haley interviewing for the Cards gig. Hearty laughter followed.

 

[Stronso]

I think Graves would be hard pressed to win an argument with Tobin. If one was ever possible.

Seriously made me LOL

 

[AZ Native]

The same Boldin who was mouthing off to Haley while he was calling plays to win the NFC Championship? The same Boldin who did not celebrate the NFC Championship because he was not included in the package for the winning drive? Boldin lost me there.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The same Boldin who was mouthing off to Haley while he was calling plays to win the NFC Championship? The same Boldin who did not celebrate the NFC Championship because he was not included in the package for the winning drive? Boldin lost me there.

Yes.... That is the Grown Ass Man I am talking about.

 

[Mulli]

Don't let Fitz pick QB.
Don't let Q pick Head Coach.

 

[AZ Native]

Don't let Fitz pick QB.
Don't let Q pick Head Coach.

 

[Superfuzz]

The same Boldin who was mouthing off to Haley while he was calling plays to win the NFC Championship? The same Boldin who did not celebrate the NFC Championship because he was not included in the package for the winning drive? Boldin lost me there.

Agree. Boldin didn't exactly show a lot of love for AZ or us fans his last few years either. Yes he was a great player (and still is pretty good), but he'll never be better than Larry. Don't know why some Cards fans still wanna ride his jock.


Have fun losing to Manning at Mile High, Q!




P.S. Anquan hasn't had a 1,000-yard season since he left. Certainly hasn't been to a Super Bowl since, either.

 

[Mulli]

Agree. Boldin didn't exactly show a lot of love for AZ or us fans his last few years either. Yes he was a great player (and still is pretty good), but he'll never be better than Larry. Don't know why some Cards fans still wanna ride his jock.


Have fun losing to Manning at Mile High, Q!




P.S. Anquan hasn't had a 1,000-yard season since he left. Certainly hasn't been to a Super Bowl since, either.

Cards haven't done much since 09. And Q was seconds from a Super Bowl just last year.

 

[Azlen]

I think it is telling that Haley hasn't been interviewed for any of the other job openings. Even Chicago who has interviewed just about everyone hasn't looked at him. When you are looking at someone that nobody else is, it usually means that you're making a genius move and are well ahead of the curve or you don't know what you are doing. The Cards history makes it difficult to believe they are ahead of anything.

 

[AZ Native]

Cards haven't done much since 09. And Q was seconds from a Super Bowl just last year.

Agree, but I think that has a lot more to do with Warner than Q.

 

[Mulli]

Agree, but I think that has a lot more to do with Warner than Q.

True. Didn't mean to seem argumentative.

 

[Totally_Red]

I think it is telling that Haley hasn't been interviewed for any of the other job openings. Even Chicago who has interviewed just about everyone hasn't looked at him. When you are looking at someone that nobody else is, it usually means that you're making a genius move and are well ahead of the curve or you don't know what you are doing. The Cards history makes it difficult to believe they are ahead of anything.

The Cards had to move heaven and earth to even get him to interview here. It's not like he's chomping at the bit for another head coach job IMO. He didn't even interview in AZ until somebody assured him he was a serious candidate.

The fact that the Steelers brought him in as O.C. is significant. They don't usually hire incompetents. He's not my first choice, but he was part of a very good Cardinal offense during the Super Bowl run. That obviously impressed the Steelers who brought him aboard when they got a chance. My big concern is whether he is cut out to be more than an offensive coordinator. It's a big step up from O.C. to head coach.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I will never hate on Q and anyone who does is ignoring the battles he fought for us. This guy was one of the top 4 or 5 Cardinals since 1990. Aeneas, Fitz, Adub, Tillman, Q.

He is Ring of Honor material. Right next to the other guys.

 

[Totally_Red]

I will never hate on Q and anyone who does is ignoring the battles he fought for us. This guy was one of the top 4 or 5 Cardinals since 1990. Aeneas, Fitz, Adub, Tillman, Q.

He is Ring of Honor material. Right next to the other guys.

Well said! A nasty divorce shouldn't negate the good years, or in Q's case some very good years.

 

[AZ Native]

I will never hate on Q and anyone who does is ignoring the battles he fought for us. This guy was one of the top 4 or 5 Cardinals since 1990. Aeneas, Fitz, Adub, Tillman, Q.

He is Ring of Honor material. Right next to the other guys.

No hate for Q, I still own 3 of his jerseys. He was my favorite player, but that "me me first" at the NFC Championship game sure tarnished his image, at least in my eyes. When I talked to him at training camp in 08, he was a jerk to me and my granddaughter, but I wrote that off as him having a bad day. Still liked the way he played the game.

 

[john h]

ut ohhhhhhh, multiple sources reporting haley is in today for his interview.

Hey Jeff: Sabin coached for the Dolphins I think. Last year I do not think any coach in the NFL could have helped the Cards. Our problems were much deeper than that and still are. I think we are probably some years away from respectability even if we hire good people. Looking at our two Offensive tackles I think I could have run around them. Grimm was not going to coach them out of that. Not that he is a good coach but how was he as a coach a Pittsburgh? I do not recall but Pittsburgh has rarely been bad. I am glad the entire group is gone at AZ as we needed a major change. Some of the things that Michael Bidwill has recently said or not said has scared me but we will see. Who is more important to good team? Good coaches or good players? I tend to think that good players can make a coach look better than he is? Peyton Manning is still the same old Peyton Manning even with new coaches and a new team. Can one really coach a great RB? These guys largely run by instinct, speed, and strength. God sort of gave them that. Of course some position players can greatly be helped by a good coach but he must be the right coach for that player and that team. Many or most hate Grimm. From his results he must not be very good but I am no line coach so have no idea. Same will be for our new line coach. I am most totally involved with us getting a QB as IMHO he will be 50% of our teams success.