How long until the Suns are back in the playoffs?

[AzStevenCal]

The bottom line is there's just not much talent on this team... period.

Even at this age, when Nash is healthy he's one of the best players in the league. But, if you look at our roster and view Nash as the player he was following the break, then you are right, there's just not much talent on this team. However, for that period that Steve is able to play at his peak, he moves us from horrible to a middle of the road playoff team. That's what having a great player does for you.

I really don't know if Nash has one more full season in him but I really hope we find the answer to that question by watching him play in a different uniform. Also, despite what I've said, I'm not predicting we'll make the playoffs next season. I just think it's quite possible and I'm concerned that management also thinks it's quite possible.

Personally, I don't like our chances next season much more than I liked them this season and over the summer I was one of the few that picked them to finish 10th or lower this year. If it isn't clear, we're really not that far apart in our opinion about this team and it's future. It's bleak.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Even at this age, when Nash is healthy he's one of the best players in the league. But, if you look at our roster and view Nash as the player he was following the break, then you are right, there's just not much talent on this team. However, for that period that Steve is able to play at his peak, he moves us from horrible to a middle of the road playoff team. That's what having a great player does for you.

I really don't know if Nash has one more full season in him but I really hope we find the answer to that question by watching him play in a different uniform. Also, despite what I've said, I'm not predicting we'll make the playoffs next season. I just think it's quite possible and I'm concerned that management also thinks it's quite possible.

Personally, I don't like our chances next season much more than I liked them this season and over the summer I was one of the few that picked them to finish 10th or lower this year. If it isn't clear, we're really not that far apart in our opinion about this team and it's future. It's bleak.

Steve

i get that.

 

[Covert Rain]

You are just ridiculous claiming Gortat is a top 10 center or top 12 center. It isn't close to reality.

The Suns are 7-15 or something since the allstar game. I don't even want to know their record since Gortat is starting.

That is BAD no matter how you look at it.

Oh and if I was really nitpicking Yao Ming and Al Jefferson are obviously better too.

You are being straight up silly. Well player XXX would be better if he was healthy......Yes, and I would be stinking rich if I was Bill Gates son.

Ridiculous.

The Suns record has nothing to do with Gortat and you know it. They didn't have a legit backup for him and many other holes (like SG). Gortat can't play every position on the floor. Hell it would have been nice if your boy Lopez could have played one position on the floor. You just look to bash him whenever you get a chance because Lopez is your boy.

This tells me Gortat is top 10.

Gortat
#9 in efficiency
#10 Scoring
#11 Rebounding
#3 Defensive Rebounding

Opposing Center Rebounding (pre-trade) - #30 (thanks to your boy Lopez)
Opposing Center Rebounding (post trade) - #23 (with only half season for Gortat)

Center Rebounding (pre-trade) - #30 (thanks to your boy Lopez)
Center Rebounding (post trade) - #21 (with only half a season for Gortat)

Center Scoring (pre-trade) - #29 (thanks to your boy Lopez)
Center Scoring (Post trade) - #10 (with only half a season for Gortat)

If you have been paying attention, Gortat has been climbing the stat charts the entire season. Go ahead....I dare you to deny it.

Seriously....don't be silly. Ofcourse he is a top 10 center. That's even counting some guys who are Power Forward/Centers being included in the mix. That is including Gortat only playing 1/2 season as a starter. Some of those guys you mention are actually PF's. There are very few true centers in the NBA and Gortat is one of them.

slinslin......there is a reason people can't take you seriously.

To you: Lopez is a good center, Gortat isn't a good center, young draft picks = awesome.

 

[BC867]

Ok that is 7 centers absolutely unquestionably better than Gortat.

Brook Lopez
Chris Kaman
Marc Gasol
Javale McGee (quickly rising)
Greg Oden(easily in the top group when healthy)
DeMarcus Cousins
Emeka Okafor

I would have to say that this group of 7 is better than Gortat.

A Lopez center (whether Brook or Robin) cannot lift the Suns above mediocre with their OK scoring and lack of rebounding skills.

Forget the stat sheet. Gortat is an anchor, with a few games under his belt as a starter and less than a full season playing starter's (but more exhausting) minutes.

He is already one of the top Centers to build a team around. Now that Gentry has discovered him, Robin has been playing 0-5 minutes per game.

I feel good about how Marcin Gortat is going to improve his offensive game during the off-season and be even more valuable to the Suns.

 

[jagu]

Guess what, Mr. Andrew Bynum has an injury to his surgically repaired knee UHGAIN. This guy is too fragile to be in the top 15 centers in the NBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7lmRT3ek6M

 

[sunsfan88]

Does Lopez actually have fans?

Wow.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Does Lopez actually have fans?

Wow.

As far as I know, he has just the two fans. Mr plus and minus slinslin and DesertDawg. Nobody comes up with 347 nicknames for the same person unless they have a little stalker thing going on.

Steve

 

[BC867]

This says it all

A blurb in the sports section of today's Az Republic says it all about the Suns management.

They're also on their fourth general manager and third coach in the seven seasons since Robert Sarver and his investment group took over.

Even a Martian landing in the Sonoran Desert and reading that would know what to expect from our hometown team.

Or a Marcin. How about we lock Gortat and Sarver into a room for a fight to the finish until Sarver says, "You win. We're selling the team."

 

[Cheesebeef]

A blurb in the sports section of today's Az Republic says it all about the Suns management.

"They're also on their fourth general manager and third coach in the seven seasons since Robert Sarver and his investment group took over."

Even a Martian landing in the Sonoran Desert and reading that would know what to expect from our hometown team.

Or a Marcin. How about we lock Gortat and Sarver into a room for a fight to the finish until Sarver says, "You win. We're selling the team."

That blurb really does say it all.

 

[sunsfan88]

We will probably never make the playoffs is Babby & Sarver continue being idiots.

"We've got to be little better from the standpoint of being able to have a go-to guy where we don't count on Steve (Nash) to create every play at the end of the game and to make every shot in situations like that," coach Alvin Gentry said. "That's something that we have to look at. We have to get better overall size-wise. But if we add size, it has to be good players. We can't be adding size just to be adding size. We have to continue to get better defensively. I was a little bit disappointed this year, because I thought we took a step back from where we were."


And for those who have not heard Nash and the Suns all season, that was a reference to Nash as part of their future once again. After the season ended with a 40-42 record Wednesday, Nash said, "This is my team. I feel like this is my home as a basketball player, and I want to try to get back to the playoffs with this team."
Gentry opened his media session Thursday by saying, "Yeah, Steve's coming back." Babby again called Nash "the sun, the moon and the stars."


"I just can't imagine a scenario where he won't be back, but there's honestly uncertainty about everything," Babby said. "We want him back. We recognize his value here. We may have to find better ways to utilize him and to utilize the pieces around him. We probably put too much burden on him this year. Anybody who begins the analysis of the Phoenix Suns and where we're headed with anything that suggests Steve Nash is the problem and not the solution is looking at it backward."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...nix-suns-offseason-targets.html#ixzz1JZK1cl6v

Are you f***** serious? OK now its obvious Babby just got lucky with the Gortat trade. He wants to keep adding guys like Warrick around Nash and that will get us to the promised land? Yea OK.
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[AzStevenCal]

We will probably never make the playoffs is Babby & Sarver continue being idiots.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...nix-suns-offseason-targets.html#ixzz1JZK1cl6v

Are you f***** serious? OK now its obvious Babby just got lucky with the Gortat trade. He wants to keep adding guys like Warrick around Nash and that will get us to the promised land? Yea OK.
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I'm not sure what's got you going here. I think we should move Nash but it's not like the idea of keeping him just appeared out of nowhere. There are understandable financial reasons to keep the guy and if they could start rebuilding and utilize Nash a little smarter it's probably in the organization's best short term interest to let him retire in Phoenix. And since the world is going to end in 2012, it's not unreasonable to make short term decisions.

I think Warrick is the worst team defender in the history of the NBA. I seriously doubt that Babby prizes him enough to try and find others like him. I think they want to find players with size that can actually help a team, not destroy it. I know you're given to hyperbole, but nowhere in that article does anyone mention that we need more Warricks nor do they suggest that we're expecting a trip to the promised land anytime soon.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Yea but lets be honest here, no team is just gonna simply trade away good players.

Especially good big men because thats what the NBA is all about now. Only the Suns are stupid enough to trade away their all-star big man and get no adequate replacement.

Rebuilding around a 38 yr old PG is an awful idea. It would be the worst scenario we can be in.

 

[BC867]

Bryan Colangelo's Toronto Raptors the least cost-efficient team in the NBA

I recently posted my opinion -- I can't remember which thread -- that Jerry Colangelo was a great promoter and a good politician (as a member of the once powerful Phoenix 40) . . . but not anything more than a mediocre General Manager.

It is interesting that his protege (and son) Bryan's Toronto Raptors were the least cost-efficient NBA team this season.

That's the fact. Jack.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/15/mo...nt-nba-teams_slide_7.html?partner=yahoosports

 

[Lorenzo]

next year of basketball. They wern't far away this year. just need to add another piece around nash and keep the strong supporting cast. this is a league of stars. nash is a great PG, probably a lot better than he gets credit for, but he has to have guys to pass it to.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yea but lets be honest here, no team is just gonna simply trade away good players.

Especially good big men because thats what the NBA is all about now. Only the Suns are stupid enough to trade away their all-star big man and get no adequate replacement.

Rebuilding around a 38 yr old PG is an awful idea. It would be the worst scenario we can be in.

Realgm is predicting that Dwight Howard will be trades this summer. The Suns need to get in on that somehow. Even if they cannot get Howard, maybe they can get picks or something for facilitating.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Realgm is predicting that Dwight Howard will be trades this summer. The Suns need to get in on that somehow. Even if they cannot get Howard, maybe they can get picks or something for facilitating.

Interesting thought, Vince Carter and his semi-expiring contract could be very attractive, either to make salaries work or for a team to clear salary to absorb Dwights.

It'd be the most important Vince will ever be during his entire tenure with the Suns.

 

[Mainstreet]

Interesting thought, Vince Carter and his semi-expiring contract could be very attractive, either to make salaries work or for a team to clear salary to absorb Dwights.

It'd be the most important Vince will ever be during his entire tenure with the Suns.

Some other team's GM would have to walk the Suns through the process. The Suns didn't even know how to get a TE for Amare until someone told them.

 

[SirStefan32]

Howard is not going to leave one small-market team to go to another small-market team.
If he leaves Orlando, he will go to LA or NY.

 

[Mainstreet]

There is a up-to-date video I found at azcentral that discusses the Suns future with Paul Coro and Bruce Cooper. See link below. IMO, it does not sound bright as the Suns will likely only have significant money under the cap in 2012 when Nash's contract expires. I though Vince Carter's buy-out would be of more immediate help. It appears a lot is riding on the Suns draft pick at #13 and finding a "gem" FA like a Michael Redd.

http://www.azcentral.com/video/908516281001

 

[slinslin]

What about Redd says gem? He is what 33 and has not played in 3 years? Not to mention Redd was never that good of a player anyway..

Had the Suns wanted a SG like that they should have just signed Anthony Morrow last year instead of Childress. You didn't have to be rocket scientist to figure out that Morrow would have fit in unlike Childress.

 

[Mainstreet]

What about Redd says gem? He is what 33 and has not played in 3 years?

I guess Coro is talking about a player that might have some gas left in the tank who is under valued. Did you watch the video? I'd be interested in your thoughts. Paul Coro called Redd a "gem" not me.

I really liked Morrow.

 

[slinslin]

Well Coro is not particular smart basketball guy in my opinion. He just writes what he is fed or his opinion.

I'd consider Brandan Wright a possible gem maybe. Redd is done and he is not Grant Hill. Also Wright's agent was Lon Babby.

Maybe Thaddeus Young but he will be at a price where you can't consider him a gem but he has some star potential at least. But I'd be worried the Suns would put him at PF anyway.

 

[SirStefan32]

There is a up-to-date video I found at azcentral that discusses the Suns future with Paul Coro and Bruce Cooper. See link below. IMO, it does not sound bright as the Suns will likely only have significant money under the cap in 2012 when Nash's contract expires. I though Vince Carter's buy-out would be of more immediate help. It appears a lot is riding on the Suns draft pick at #13 and finding a "gem" FA like a Michael Redd.

http://www.azcentral.com/video/908516281001

Well, they do have VC's contract to work with if they decide to shop him and not just buy him out themselves.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well Coro is not particular smart basketball guy in my opinion. He just writes what he is fed or his opinion.

I'd consider Brandan Wright a possible gem maybe. Redd is done and he is not Grant Hill.

Coro is like the beat writer for the Suns. He is most knowledgeable reporter I know covering the Suns as he gets the information from the source. He tends to stick mostly to facts unlike some other reporters who deal in speculation.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Coro is like the beat writer for the Suns. He is most knowledgeable reporter I know covering the Suns as he gets the information from the source. He tends to stick mostly to facts unlike some other reporters who deal in speculation.

which is why him saying a name people will get excited about is... JIMMER.

holy crap... if we draft that guy...