Is Kyler Murray the answer at QB for next year and beyond?

[SoonerLou]

Drake Maye very coach dependent. Its going to be laughable in a few years you guys were hyping him so much. No Ben Johnson and he'll be mid at best.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It does not take multiple years to be able to compete - take the Texans this season as an example. Preseason they were picked to be one of the 5 worst teams.

It takes 2 years if you have a QB good coaching and make good personnel decisions.

Same with the Colts.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

George Lynch and Kyle Shannon were 6-10 and 4-12 their first 2yrs.They should of been fired right?

Everybody had the cardinals most likely going 0-17. We got 3 wins with practice squad players. Monti has some plan for this offseason the reason he punted last season. Lets see what he does.

You’re mistaking skepticism regarding monti/gannon based on the limited experience with them for people calling for their heads which literally no one is doing. . It’s okay we are used to posters exaggerating to try to win an argument.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Drake Maye very coach dependent. Its going to be laughable in a few years you guys were hyping him so much. No Ben Johnson and he'll be mid at best.

Yeah I’m just not sold on this qb class. I consider it as exciting as last years (I wasn’t sold on stroud - I was wrong. Not the first time). Meh.

 

[DVontel]

Drake Maye very coach dependent. Its going to be laughable in a few years you guys were hyping him so much. No Ben Johnson and he'll be mid at best.

I feel like that’s every QB to an extent though. Feel like any of the QBs who gets drafted by NE, their career is over before it began.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But how do we know they cant get to that level. Both Monti and JG are finishing their rookie years. They did some good and bad, but shouldnt that be expected out of a rookie year.

Niners/Chiefs/Ravens/Eagles never had seasons where they PURPOSELY tanked an entire season. So right off the bat, they have failed to get to any of those teams level.

Or are you thinking they didn’t tank on purpose? If so, coming back after their first season with an even worse season than last year and the worst record in Cardinals history says they overwhelmingly did bad over good.

 

[netsnjkidd]

You’re mistaking skepticism regarding monti/gannon based on the limited experience with them for people calling for their heads which literally no one is doing. . It’s okay we are used to posters exaggerating to try to win an argument.

Skepticism on a rebuilding team of gm who just finished year one. Its okay we are used to posters acting like as soon your hired your supposed to be ozzie newsome and bill walsh, to win an argument.

 

[netsnjkidd]

Niners/Chiefs/Ravens/Eagles never had seasons where they PURPOSELY tanked an entire season. So right off the bat, they have failed to get to any of those teams level.

Or are you thinking they didn’t tank on purpose? If so, coming back after their first season with an even worse season than last year and the worst record in Cardinals history says they overwhelmingly did bad over good.

Every rebuild situation is different. So because they did tank means you cant build a team to those other teams level. We will see what happens.

 

[kerouac9]

George Lynch and Kyle Shannon were 6-10 and 4-12 their first 2yrs.They should of been fired right?

Everybody had the cardinals most likely going 0-17. We got 3 wins with practice squad players. Monti has some plan for this offseason the reason he punted last season. Lets see what he does.

John Lynch. But no one was calling for Shanahan's head after his first season because he had a proven track record of remarkable success and finished that first season with five straight wins and victories in six out of his last seven games.

Marquise Goodwin was their #1 receiver. Carlos Hyde (talk about Guy Remembering) was their top running back. They still won six games. During their nine-game losing streak t start the year, five gams were decided by seven points or less, including two overtime contests.

The next year (2018) Jimmy G broke after just three games. Nick Mullens and C.J. Beathard lead an offense centered almost exclusively around George Kittle (a staggering 136 targets en route to a 1300+ yard season) and Matt Brieda (5.3 YPC).

Despite all that, the 2018 49ers finished 16th in offense and 13th in defense (yardage).

 

[Cheesebeef]

George Lynch and Kyle Shannon were 6-10 and 4-12 their first 2yrs.They should of been fired right?

George Lynch and the Niners went from 2-14 to 6-10 in their first year. A 4 game improvement. The Cardinals are going from 4-13 to 3-14. There’s no comparison between the two in their first seasons.

Also no is calling for Monti/Gannon’s heads. People are just saying their first season was terrible.

Everybody had the cardinals most likely going 0-17. We got 3 wins with practice squad players. Monti has some plan for this offseason the reason he punted last season. Let’s see what he does.

Vegas had the line at a pathetic 4.5 wins. We’re somehow going to come UNDER that number. What Monti and Gannon can do remains to be seen, but their first year was a disaster, not just because this team actually got WORSE than last year’s horrific season, but more importantly, because we’re staring at the exact same question going into next season as we did this season.

 

[TheCardFan]

People asked early this season why we didn't just start Clayton Tune for the first half of the year. The reason why is that you can't evaluate and develop the players on your offense with a complete zero under center.

Good points but I would challenge this one respectfully.

What players developed on this offense?

McBride? I think he played one game with Dobbs (after Ertz was cut) and he had 10 catches, 95 yards, and a TD.
That wasn't due to Murray or Dobbs frankly.
We can do the same thing with a mid level veteran QB.

This tells you all you need to know.

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[TheCardFan]

No we're not. It's the second year of 'your' three year plan.

IF Kyler regains early 2021 form.

If not, purgatory because he has already proven he can't win in 2021 and has regressed since then.

 

[netsnjkidd]

John Lynch. But no one was calling for Shanahan's head after his first season because he had a proven track record of remarkable success and finished that first season with five straight wins and victories in six out of his last seven games.

Marquise Goodwin was their #1 receiver. Carlos Hyde (talk about Guy Remembering) was their top running back. They still won six games. During their nine-game losing streak t start the year, five gams were decided by seven points or less, including two overtime contests.

The next year (2018) Jimmy G broke after just three games. Nick Mullens and C.J. Beathard lead an offense centered almost exclusively around George Kittle (a staggering 136 targets en route to a 1300+ yard season) and Matt Brieda (5.3 YPC).

Despite all that, the 2018 49ers finished 16th in offense and 13th in defense (yardage).

Some of this you can apply to our season,right now.All im saying Every rebuild starts off different and has different paths.

 

[netsnjkidd]

George Lynch and the Niners went from 2-14 to 6-10 in their first year. A 4 game improvement. The Cardinals are going from 4-13 to 3-14. There’s no comparison between the two in their first seasons.

Cmon bro. That 4-13 aint even the Monti/JG era

 

[Krangodnzr]

Lol. How much more can Purdy “prove it?” Your arguments are getting worse. You’re literally supporting my argument.

Multiple seasons of play like this. You want to crown the kid when he literally plays with amongst the best supporting casts I've ever seen. And while his numbers are good they aren't historically good by any stretch.

And that Watson is as dead and buried as the 12 win murray. You’re giving Watson more credit for what he did three years ago (a team that was a loser, btw) than you’re giving Purdy who has been nails his entire (brief) career.

No I literally think it's hilarious that you're on this kids jock so much. I think there are easily 15 QBs who are better. I see no special traits at all.

This is an argument if opinion. So there’s no right or wrong answer. But your arguments in support of “game manager” are awful.

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Where did I say he is a game manager? Just search my post history (I just did) and I have never said that. I literally said he's a pretty good QB, but not special by any stretch. He's probably the 15th best QB in the NFL which is a nice find with the last pick in the draft.

 

[TheCardFan]

Drake Maye very coach dependent. Its going to be laughable in a few years you guys were hyping him so much. No Ben Johnson and he'll be mid at best.

It's the main challenge of hiring a defensive HC.

QB is the most important position on the field.
Therefore, the offensive system HAS to be great to develop the QB and win.
If you develop the QB and win - people hire you away as a head coach and keep that HC as OC essentially.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Niners/Chiefs/Ravens/Eagles never had seasons where they PURPOSELY tanked an entire season. So right off the bat, they have failed to get to any of those teams level.

Or are you thinking they didn’t tank on purpose? If so, coming back after their first season with an even worse season than last year and the worst record in Cardinals history says they overwhelmingly did bad over good.

None of those teams had GMs that had 3-4 bad drafts and lacked high end talent and multiple important positions.

 

[kerouac9]

Good points but I would challenge this one respectfully.

What players developed on this offense?

McBride? I think he played one game with Dobbs (after Ertz was cut) and he had 10 catches, 95 yards, and a TD.
That wasn't due to Murray or Dobbs frankly.
We can do the same thing with a mid level veteran QB.

This tells you all you need to know.

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I don't know about "developed" to be honest. This was discussed on another thread. I think McBride and Hernandez look like better players now than they were this season. Froholdt has been a pleasant surprise. James Conner has been probably better this year than when he went to the Pro Bowl in 2021. It's a shame that he's not going to get to 1000 yards.

I would say that we evaluated a lot of players this season. I think the FO has a good idea of what they've got in Hump, Rondale Moore, Hollywood Brown, Budda and Jalen Thompson, Marco Wilson (obviously), Antonio Hamilton (whose resurgence into the starting lineup has been nothing short of remarkable), Zaven Collins, Leki Fotu, and a few others.

It turns out that we had a lot of guys that sucked or were bad system fits. I think Michael Wilson developed some but was stunted once Kyler came in and couldn't find a rhythm.

Some of this you can apply to our season,right now.All im saying Every rebuild starts off different and has different paths.

Please be specific. Or just admit you're wrong. Shanahan went to the Super Bowl after that 4-12 season. Do you expect us to?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cmon bro. That 4-13 aint even the Monti/JG era

Neither were the 2-14 for the Niners. That’s the point. Rookie GM Lynch and HC Shanny took over the previous Niners regime’s 2-14 train wreck and immediately made them 4 games better. Rookie Monti/Gannon took over Keim’s 4-13 train wreck and somehow made them WORSE.

I am so befuddled by responses to the hard truth that there is zero comparison between the Niners and Cardinals rebuilds in their first seasons.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Some of this you can apply to our season,right now.All im saying Every rebuild starts off different and has different paths.

Well, until we actually end up on a similar path to teams like the Niners, can we at least stop comparing our rebuild to their incredibly successful one. Especially considering our rebuild this year and the Niners 2017 rebuild year are nothing alike in either intent or outcome?

 

[Stout]

At least you admitted it. This is what I believe most of this board feels the same way, it was just you were the first one to admit it.

If it's selfish to want good QB play, then guilty as charged. In reality, everyone should want that.

 

[netsnjkidd]

Please be specific. Or just admit you're wrong. Shanahan went to the Super Bowl after that 4-12 season. Do you expect us to?

You listed that they lost games by 6 or fewer points. We were one the best 1st half teams in the league then lost games in the 2nd half cuz we dont have talent right now.

 

[netsnjkidd]

Neither were the 2-14 for the Niners. That’s the point. Rookie GM Lynch and HC Shanny took over the previous Niners regime’s 2-14 train wreck and immediately made them 4 games better. Rookie Monti/Gannon took over Keim’s 4-13 train wreck and somehow made them WORSE.

I am so befuddled by responses to the hard truth that there is zero comparison between the Niners and Cardinals rebuilds in their first seasons.

You comparing their car wreck to keims nuclear landmine. I just said niners as an example could of used lions or others. Just to say every rebuild is different.

 

[QuebecCard]

Did you watch those games? I did as I had amari cooper and Jerome died on my fantasy team. Watched every game. Watson was mediocre to dreadful.

And 5-1.

 

[kerouac9]

You listed that they lost games by 6 or fewer points. We were one the best 1st half teams in the league then lost games in the 2nd half cuz we dont have talent right now.

During their losing streak to begin the season. Then they got better and started finishing games.