Is Kyler Murray the answer at QB for next year and beyond?

[Krangodnzr]

I'm not burying either him or JG personally, just not raising a glass of cheer to them either. Next year will do a lot for my mental either in a positive or negative way.

I sit completely agnostic on JG/MO. I'm neither happy nor annoyed. I see their plan. If it works, kudos. If it doesn't, unemployment line.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Oh? We can time travel back to the offseason last year and he can sign some FAs to help the rebuild long term? No? Then he wasted the last FA period. It's in the past and I don't need to see the future to realize that.

Wasted what, I asked a question. We were left with trash and maybe the new regime did not see the existing players from Keim being part of how they wanted the team built for the money they needed. Now it is up to them to prove they do not provide more thrash but stacking a rebuilding team with a bunch of overpriced castaways to get a few extra wins that will amount to no championship is not very smart considering a cap they had to make manageable

 

[kerouac9]

Wasted what, I asked a question. We were left with trash and maybe the new regime did not see the existing players from Keim being part of how they wanted the team built for the money they needed. Now it is up to them to prove they do not provide more thrash but stacking a rebuilding team with a bunch of overpriced castaways to get a few extra wins that will amount to no championship is not very smart considering a cap they had to make manageable

A championship is the goal, but it's not the only way to define success. If you don't have to go out and sign 2-3 more free agents in 2024 or can draft the best player available instead of filling a need, those are small successes that build a foundation to compete for a championship.

We probably have more detritus and players with no future in the NFL today than we ended with 2022 season with.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Trey McBride's career season.
Michael Wilson's rookie year.
The first year of our 2023 second- and third-round picks.
One of Budda Baker's remaining prime years.
The time of numerous Arizona Cardinals fans.
A career season from James Conner.
Jalen Thompson's career season.
The Cards 2022 third-, sixth-, and 2021 fourth-round picks.

All of which was not enough to win a championship and winning it all is the goal. I have not posted here for a while because it is like a soap opera, one can leave for ten years and still see the same story line with posters and the Cards still being mediocre no matter what is done lol

 

[Cheesebeef]

All of which was not enough to win a championship and winning it all is the goal. I have not posted here for a while because it is like a soap opera, one can leave for ten years and still see the same story line with posters and the Cards still being mediocre no matter what is done lol

You realize it’s the same storyline because of the Cardinals woefulness and not because of the posters, right?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

A championship is the goal, but it's not the only way to define success. If you don't have to go out and sign 2-3 more free agents in 2024 or can draft the best player available instead of filling a need, those are small successes that build a foundation to compete for a championship.

We probably have more detritus and players with no future in the NFL today than we ended with 2022 season with.

I had to look that up along many other words you use

I don't know where you find them, but they are always used in the correct way

Alas, I used to think I was well read....

 

[Cheesebeef]

I had to look that up along many other words you use

I don't know where you find them, but they are always used in the correct way

Alas, I used to think I was well read....

Good SAT word.

 

[kerouac9]

I had to look that up along many other words you use

I don't know where you find them, but they are always used in the correct way

Alas, I used to think I was well read....

It's a pleasure to serve.

 

[Stout]

Well, yeah. You have been talking about signing someone like Pittman Jr which would a full 180 from the signing philosophy.

My personal guess is we do something like re-sign Brown for about 10-12 million next year, sign a 2nd tier free agent CB in about the same range, and maybe a C, G or DT for about the same or less. This after some minor extensions and re-signing of other guys on the roster.

This would be sub-optimal.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I get you. I’m saying going from 4 wins to 3 wins doesn’t necessarily translate into worse.
We headed into last year with aspirations of competing for a playoff spot and ended up with 4 wins. That’s 3 giant steps backwards.
This year we all were expecting nothing much at all and got a little less.
There are many different shades of gray.

But again, if our expectations of monti’s team was putrid level, and he finishes below that. What does that say about his accomplishments?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not the exact named players of course. I’m saying we could sign a comparable cb and D-lineman.

But what if - gasp - we could add a player from each off season?!? That’s TWO players added to our future with one having a years experience in the system! Crazy, I know.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah, I'll do winning games.

You can do in 49 shades of gray.

Watson was subpar. You obviously didn’t watch. 5-1 as your sole analytics - well I’ll just leave it to others to make up their own mind as to the value of that opinion.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He's short.

Small.

Doesn't have a big time arm.

Isn't fast.

It's a factual statement. He was literally taken with a pick that you never find a good player at.

You just described Joe montana. One inch taller, 15lbs lighter. Same arm. Also wasn’t fast. Taken in 3rd round.

 

[QuebecCard]

But again, if our expectations of monti’s team was putrid level, and he finishes below that. What does that say about his accomplishments?

INJURED RESERVE Cap: $28.3m
DEAD Cap: $68.3m

We've had 74 players dress on Sunday, a number that will continue to grow due to injury. I can't hold Monti responsible for this vagary of the game; I can, however, credit him with clearing the 'DEAD money' placing the team in a better position to add Free Agents, extend contracts, etc. in 2024.

 

[QuebecCard]

A championship is the goal, but it's not the only way to define success. If you don't have to go out and sign 2-3 more free agents in 2024 or can draft the best player available instead of filling a need, those are small successes that build a foundation to compete for a championship.

We probably have more detritus and players with no future in the NFL today than we ended with 2022 season with.

Flotsam and jetsam...

I'm still waiting on this site's Four Horseman of Tenebrosity (Doom, Gloom, Bitch and Moan) to name the available investments going into this season that the CARDS missed out on and the price tags.

 

[slanidrac16]

But what if - gasp - we could add a player from each off season?!? That’s TWO players added to our future with one having a years experience in the system! Crazy, I know.

I get it. You don’t think they did enough. I don’t think it mattered.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

All of which was not enough to win a championship and winning it all is the goal. I have not posted here for a while because it is like a soap opera, one can leave for ten years and still see the same story line with posters and the Cards still being mediocre no matter what is done lol

Winning it all is the ultimate goal. But having a successful 4-6 year run in the playoffs would still be a great thing. Winning it all or drafting top 5 seems to be some people's(not necessarily yours) desires.
The Browns. Lions, Bucs, and Rams likely aren't winning it all but they have had very successful seasons no matter the outcome.

 

[TheCardFan]

What if Kyler passes for over 300 yards and has 3 TD's vs Philly?

 

[slanidrac16]

What if Kyler passes for over 300 yards and has 3 TD's vs Philly?

It would be official… hell will have officially frozen over.

 

[ajcardfan]

This would be sub-optimal.

Exactly. My expectations have never been lower.

 

[juza76]

This would be sub-optimal.

Very depressing scenario

 

[Yuma]

Winning it all is the ultimate goal. But having a successful 4-6 year run in the playoffs would still be a great thing. Winning it all or drafting top 5 seems to be some people's(not necessarily yours) desires.
The Browns. Lions, Bucs, and Rams likely aren't winning it all but they have had very successful seasons no matter the outcome.

It's been a while since Pittsburgh won it all, but they just keep cranking out winning seasons. Wouldn't it be nice to have some stability like that with a franchise? I am hoping this rebuild, is a path to building a longer lasting success.

That said, with Kyler I feel so torn. The eye test is he's not going to carry this team. The stats put out by the NFL and other places, you see him high up on different stat lists, and you think, well he can't be all that bad, right? I am also torn because I am not a believer in the top QBs in the draft. Maye has the size, but can he read defenses? IDK. Tearing out Kyler would be REALLY starting over. Then I think, the ideal situation is to let a guy like Maye learn for a year on the sidelines. That would work perfect with the dead money problem with Kyler. Who knows the real answer. I am glad I am not making the call.

 

[BritCard]

Front office is always one year away from being held accountable for their decisions.

Surely drafting top 3 again in 2025 would be a poor mark on their record.

Well yeah of course it would. Obviously. Because that would be a couple of years into their regime and you would want to see improvement.

 

[BritCard]

Also tidying up their own thus far.

Such as?

 

[BritCard]

What Ouchie said. And you know we're allowed to sign FAs to multi-year deals, right? So they can help us be good next year and the year after?

It's not an either or. It wasn't a matter of only signing one-year prove it deals or no deals at all beyond Kyzir White.

And? As Slad said, no FA is making a difference to this year so why not just sign them next offseason and save a year of wasted money that can be rolled over?

We had this conversation before. Which good, young promising players are signing for a team with a QB 2 months into an ACL repair? Anyone that fits that description has several options to sign with so why would you chose the team with the lame QB and an almost certain losing season coming up?