Is Kyler Murray the answer at QB for next year and beyond?

[QuebecCard]

George Lynch and the Niners went from 2-14 to 6-10 in their first year. A 4 game improvement. The Cardinals are going from 4-13 to 3-14. There’s no comparison between the two in their first seasons.

Also no is calling for Monti/Gannon’s heads. People are just saying their first season was terrible.



Vegas had the line at a pathetic 4.5 wins. We’re somehow going to come UNDER that number. What Monti and Gannon can do remains to be seen, but their first year was a disaster, not just because this team actually got WORSE than last year’s horrific season, but more importantly, because we’re staring at the exact same question going into next season as we did this season.

And we wouldn't be 3-14 with KM for the entire season. (IMO)

 

[Cheesebeef]

You comparing their car wreck to keims nuclear landmine.

No. They were an abomination at 2-14, coming off a Kaepernick disaster with their Super Bowl team talent all having moved on, retired or was cut. That team was every bit the disaster we were when we were 4-13 last year.

 

[kerouac9]

No. They were an abomination at 2-14, coming off a Kaepernick disaster with their Super Bowl team talent all having moved on, retired or was cut. That team was every bit the disaster we were when we were 4-13 last year.

Biggest disaster, maybe. 31st in offense, 32nd in defense. Someone named Jeremy Kerley was their top wide receiver. They had a -171 point differential under Chip Kelly.

We have a -128 point differential so far this season. We had a -109 point differential last year.

Man we suck.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And we wouldn't be 3-14 with KM for the entire season. (IMO)

And we wouldn't be 3-14 with KM for the entire season. (IMO)

Sorry. One, I think that’s hopium speaking. Two. and more important, they’re going to go 3-14 because the team DIDNT EVEN TRY to have a serviceable QB for 8 months of the off-season. They don’t get hypothetical props for a disastrous situation at QB of their own making.

Also, the Niners season started very similar to ours. They were 1-9 and then got their QB around the same time we did. They didn’t finish 2-6 to round out the season like we likely will even with Kyler. They went 6-1. Why? Because they actually built a solid base in their first off-season and once they got their QB, they took off. Once we got our QB… we basically looked exactly the same.

 

[Krangodnzr]

During their losing streak to begin the season. Then they got better and started finishing games.

Eh just to throw these numbers without context can be meaningless. Maybe they played 4 teams with back up QBs?

Either way, the Niners have emphatically proven that they have built a team and built a team the right way

 

[DVontel]

If it's selfish to want good QB play, then guilty as charged. In reality, everyone should want that.

You read the rest of that post, Stout.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Sorry. One, I think that’s hopium speaking. Two. and more important, they’re going to go 3-14 because the team DIDNT EVEN TRY to have a serviceable QB for 8 months of the off-season. They don’t get hypothetical props for a disastrous situation at QB of their own making.

Also, the Niners season started very similar to ours. They were 1-9 and then got their QB around the same time we did. They didn’t finish 2-6 to round out the season like we likely will even with Kyler. They went 6-1. Why? Because they actually built a solid base in their first off-season and once they got their QB, they took off. Once we got our QB… we basically looked exactly the same.

Signing a high priced backup QB would have been the dumbest move this team could have done.

Man you guys who wanted a competitive team are so shortsighted. Even in January, everyone knew the 2024 draft was going to have A LOT more good players.

 

[DVontel]

Instead of wanting to build up first, I believe most on here would be fully content with a bunch 2020 Houston Texans/Deshaun Watson seasons. That’s the vibe I got from the “unselfish route” post that Chop posted.

 

[Garthshort]

I feel like that’s every QB to an extent though. Feel like any of the QBs who gets drafted by NE, their career is over before it began.

My point exactly. Brady was over rated and just benefitted from Belichick's coaching.

 

[Cheesebeef]

My point exactly. Brady was over rated and just benefitted from Belichick's coaching.

Is… this… a real post? Brady was overrated and just benefitted from Belichick’s coaching?

 

[QuebecCard]

My point exactly. Brady was over rated and just benefitted from Belichick's coaching.

I guess you were in a coma when Brady won a SB with Tampa.

Welcome back.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Eh just to throw these numbers without context can be meaningless. Maybe they played 4 teams with back up QBs?

Either way, the Niners have emphatically proven that they have built a team and built a team the right way

I agree and there was a divine stroke of luck, because anyone saying them or anyone knew Purdy would turn into what he is is a liar and full of themselves wanting to win a social media award. As with Tom Brady and the Patriots, if the Niners knew Purdy was all that and a bag of chips, they would have drafted him in the first round despite of everyone else's opinion

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Also, one quibble with this thread title. Kyler is obviously not the answer at QB for a team trying to win a Super Bowl but also is likely the QB for the 2024 season. I feel pretty strongly both of those things are true.

Completely agree.

 

[Stout]

Signing a high priced backup QB would have been the dumbest move this team could have done.

Man you guys who wanted a competitive team are so shortsighted. Even in January, everyone knew the 2024 draft was going to have A LOT more good players.

It wasn't us being shortsighted trying to be better in 2023--you're attempting to move the goal posts. It's about wanting us to have had Monti start building the team so that we didn't enter this coming offseason with a bare cupboard on this roster. He's wasted 2024 by doing so.

 

[Jetstream Green]

It wasn't us being shortsighted trying to be better in 2023--you're attempting to move the goal posts. It's about wanting us to have had Monti start building the team so that we didn't enter this coming offseason with a bare cupboard on this roster. He's wasted 2024 by doing so.

He wasted nothing as of yet because the story has yet to be told, tell me what he wasted and you have to remember this is the first year of a totally new regime and leftover players from the past who maybe did not adhere to their vision and what they feel they need to do in the future. They did not mortgage the future unless their vision and what they acquire fails in the upcoming seasons

 

[kerouac9]

Eh just to throw these numbers without context can be meaningless. Maybe they played 4 teams with back up QBs?

Either way, the Niners have emphatically proven that they have built a team and built a team the right way

I guess. If you think the narrative changes with additional context, you can look into it. Just to throw a hypothetical out there with no evidence to knock down a fairly obvious point is bush league and below you. So weak.

Signing a high priced backup QB would have been the dumbest move this team could have done.

Man you guys who wanted a competitive team are so shortsighted. Even in January, everyone knew the 2024 draft was going to have A LOT more good players.

What is a high-priced QB? We could've signed Josh Dobbs at the beginning of free agency for $2.5 million and been substantially better off than hoping that Colt McCoy suddenly became not-washed. Very few people were pining for Minshew or Brissett once their contracts came up.

I don't understand why people want to shame fans for wanting to lose games 27-21 instead of the 27-18 we're averaging now. It's silly.

 

[kerouac9]

He wasted nothing as of yet because the story has yet to be told, tell me what he wasted and you have to remember this is the first year of a totally new regime and leftover players from the past who maybe did not adhere to their vision and what they feel they need to do in the future. They did not mortgage the future unless their vision and what they acquire fails in the upcoming seasons

Trey McBride's career season.
Michael Wilson's rookie year.
The first year of our 2023 second- and third-round picks.
One of Budda Baker's remaining prime years.
The time of numerous Arizona Cardinals fans.
A career season from James Conner.
Jalen Thompson's career season.
The Cards 2022 third-, sixth-, and 2021 fourth-round picks.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Skepticism on a rebuilding team of gm who just finished year one. Its okay we are used to posters acting like as soon your hired your supposed to be ozzie newsome and bill walsh, to win an argument.

Except no one did that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Multiple seasons of play like this. You want to crown the kid when he literally plays with amongst the best supporting casts I've ever seen. And while his numbers are good they aren't historically good by any stretch.

No I literally think it's hilarious that you're on this kids jock so much. I think there are easily 15 QBs who are better. I see no special traits at all.

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Where did I say he is a game manager? Just search my post history (I just did) and I have never said that. I literally said he's a pretty good QB, but not special by any stretch. He's probably the 15th best QB in the NFL which is a nice find with the last pick in the draft.

Our conversation is done. This is a ridiculous statement which I believe would get you laughed out of any coaching room in the entire nfl.

 

[slanidrac16]

It’s funny to read how we were predicted to win 3-5 games and now that we’ve won 3 games MO sucks.

 

[BritCard]

“You’re not going to be ready to compete for the next couple years”

Lmao what’s the point of the rookie contract if it’s going to take us the duration of the rookie’s contract to be competitive? I already said it’s an overrated talking point & stuff like that proves my point even more.


“Trade him to a team that’s competitive” Isn’t that what we should be striving to be after this season??

95% of the teams drafting top 3 aren't ready to compete for a couple of years.

I don't really think that's true but depends on your definition of compete. With the draft capital they have if they draft well (like the Texans did) and use the good amount of cap space they have they can compete next year, if whichever QB they draft is any good.

As I say, depends on your definition. Can they win 7-9 games and be in the playoff hunt with Maye? Sure they can, with the resources they have. Will we be SB contenders? Nope, not for a couple of years at least with some luck.

This really all comes down to how good your QB is. The 2021 11-5 team was pretty trash to be honest. That was not an 11-5 roster but it was elevated by a stretch of good QB play. If we draft a QB that can play then anything is possible.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And 5-1.

I mean I guess you can use that as a barometer. It’s an awful barometer and dependence upon it is a recipe for failure. But you do you.

 

[kerouac9]

95% of the teams drafting top 3 aren't ready to compete for a couple of years.

I don't really think that's true but depends on your definition of compete. With the draft capital they have if they draft well (like the Texans did) and use the good amount of cap space they have they can compete next year, if whichever QB they draft is any good.

As I say, depends on your definition. Can they win 7-9 games and be in the playoff hunt with Maye? Sure they can, with the resources they have. Will we be SB contenders? Nope, not for a couple of years at least with some luck.

We drafted in the top 3 last year. A couple of years is next year.

 

[BritCard]

We drafted in the top 3 last year. A couple of years is next year.

Nah man. It doesn't work that way. This is a new GM, new HC. They are still tidying up the bad decisions from the previous regime.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Biggest disaster, maybe. 31st in offense, 32nd in defense. Someone named Jeremy Kerley was their top wide receiver. They had a -171 point differential under Chip Kelly.

We have a -128 point differential so far this season. We had a -109 point differential last year.

Man we suck.

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I love when these arguments can be so thoroughly won. It shows how stupid some of the arguments actually are (and I fully concede I’ve been on the wrong end of a few of these over the years - just not shanahan or Purdy).