Is there a reason why we don't fire Kliff today?

[BritCard]

Someone just said exactly this.

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The article isn't refering to players though I don't believe.

The quote "a source close to Kingsbury said...that Kingsbury hasn't received the resources he believes are necessary to win." Leads into this quote,

"...said the coach wanted to fire offensive line coach/run game coordinator Sean Kugler well before he was dismissed last month for allegedly groping a woman before a game in Mexico City, a claim Kugler is disputing through NFL arbitration.
Kugler suddenly lost opportunities to contribute to offensive planning meetings months ago, according to a source close to Kugler, but the belief from multiple Cardinals sources was that Bidwill didn't want to pay Kugler's contract buyout. Kingsbury loyalists cite the situation as evidence of the coach's limited control in Arizona."

"He knows that it's not a situation that lends itself to him being happy and successful and at his best for that organization, which he wants to be," a source close to Kingsbury said. "They won't let him. They won't let him be great."

My understanding is that resources being refered to are coaching staff control, more access to the GM, a closer working relationship on personnel etc.

 

[BritCard]

That's all there is to it? We just got unlucky and no one could have foreseen any problems or done anything about it? Keim did a perfectly "fine" job assembling our OL this season? I just want to be clear that this is your take.

There are other problems, but nobody is winning with these injuries, nobody.

And yes, I was fine and still am with the O line we started the year with.

 

[BritCard]

There wasn’t a study clause in his contract for no reason. Murray’s lack of commitment to game prep is unfortunate

Nah man they just put that in for giggles. He was actually studying too much and they wanted him to cut it back to 4...

 

[slanidrac16]

The problem I have with Kingsbury is he seems to coach like it’s madden football. He doesn’t seem to exploit opponents weaknesses. It’s like we have a play sheet of 70 plays and he wants to use all of them.
Dortch should have played a bigger part in this offense especially with the injuries to Moore. After his great game a few games ago he’s had 10 receptions. Let’s no even mention his propensity going for it on 4th down.

 

[Chopper0080]

Imagine being drafted #1 overall into the NFL and being saddled with a clown college failure "coach" for the prime years of your career. This franchise is a joke.

Imagine being drafted #1, demanding a top QB contract without winning a playoff game, and showing up late for practices.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Kliff's game management is what is costing this team again and again, while he simply tends to want to stash young players and not develop them

 

[DVontel]

Honestly at a point where this organization won’t win anything meaningful under Michael Bidwill no matter who the GM, HC, & QB are.

 

[kerouac9]

Here are my takeaways that I find notable:

Multiple sources inside and outside the Cardinals organization said the relationship between Kingsbury and Bidwill has not been without its own share of tension, though the two men, along with defensive coordinator Vance Joseph, regularly meet for film sessions and one-on-one postgame meetings.

Regular post-game meetings with Michael must be AWFUL. It's good to have a 24-hour rule after wins or losses. So often you learn things from watching the film that you don't know when you're in the flow of the game.

"He knows that it's not a situation that lends itself to him being happy and successful and at his best for that organization, which he wants to be," a source close to Kingsbury said. "They won't let him. They won't let him be great."

This is just a bush-league quote. Awful.

I think Michael Bidwill was the team source, or the Director of Media relations.

Murray being late to a practice after getting the bag is an extremely bad look.

"Changes need to be made," a source close to Murray said.

Wow. I'm guessing this sounds worse because obviously what's going on right now isn't working -- "We all have to get better," but it's really tough to hear this from a guy who just had the worst season of his professional career.

I know Josh says Burkhart didn't comment for this, but who else could this source be? His dad? Hollywood?

 

[Chopper0080]

And just to be clear, none of this absolves Kliff. He has a significant part in all of this failure as well. We can probably all agree that neither Kliff nor Kyler has made the necessary changes they need to about themselves and neither has a league average supporting cast of GM and Owner to help them do so.

 

[SoonerLou]

Murray was benched for the opening series after reportedly showing up late to a practice during the week, according to ESPN.com's Jake Trotter. Backup Austin Kendall started the game for Oklahoma.

Ironically, if Kliff benches him the first drive he doesnt tear his knee

Yada yada, hindsight is 20/20. But would have been a big move on Kliff's part to sit him a series.

Ron Rivera benched Cam the 1st series in a game he showed up late for a team flight.

 

[kerouac9]

Amazing that an article sourced to Kliff Kingsbury in a felt mustache paints him in the best light.

The guy has failed everywhere and now he's gone to ESPN blaming ownership, quarterback, GM, offensive line coach, etc.

He's gotten Hopkins, Ertz, Brown, Moore, Isabella, Murray all with significant draft capital. Can't design a coherent offense that works at the NFL level, and now is complaining anonymously about the ****** hand he's been delt.

And somehow Kyler is the whiner.

Imagine reading the article and thinking that it makes Kliff Kingsbury look good.

No one looks good in this, and Mike Dalton is gonna have his hands full going into a nationally televised game.

 

[Chopper0080]

The more you hear about Kyler just reinforces that he isn't it.

 

[SoonerLou]

Here are my takeaways that I find notable:



Regular post-game meetings with Michael must be AWFUL. It's good to have a 24-hour rule after wins or losses. So often you learn things from watching the film that you don't know when you're in the flow of the game.



This is just a bush-league quote. Awful.

I think Michael Bidwill was the team source, or the Director of Media relations.

Murray being late to a practice after getting the bag is an extremely bad look.



Wow. I'm guessing this sounds worse because obviously what's going on right now isn't working -- "We all have to get better," but it's really tough to hear this from a guy who just had the worst season of his professional career.

I know Josh says Burkhart didn't comment for this, but who else could this source be? His dad? Hollywood?

Not sure its his dad cause despite the drama/cutting people off he seemed squarely in the Kliff camp. At least he was months ago.

I wouldnt doubt if its Chase Edmonds. Close to Murray but not on the team.

 

[Chopper0080]

Basically, if you are supporting Bidwill, Keim, Kliff, Vance, or Kyler, you are an idiot because they are all a mess. It really comes down to which archors we can get rid of and which we can't. Likely the next GM and coach will have similar issues with Kyler and Michael and they will get fired as well when the team recognizes that Kyler isn't it and has to start over...again.

 

[BritCard]

Imagine reading the article and thinking that it makes Kliff Kingsbury look good.

No one looks good in this, and Mike Dalton is gonna have his hands full going into a nationally televised game.

Nobody looks good but what bad in it about Kliff?

His players like him but he won't ball them out? Not great but hardly terrible.

Even the rift with Murray is made out to be more on Murray than Kliff talking about his frustration with him, bad body langauge, showing up late etc

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think KK will, undeservedly, get another year and Keim will be the one gone. I can see the spin coming already. Injuries, Keim's health, Kugler distraction, etc.

Bidwill is always talking about the "cardinal way and cardinal decisions" whatever that means. I think Harris/Wilson will be the GM duo and some position coaches will be let go. Other than that, status quo for the spinned reasons above.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Ironically, if Kliff benches him the first drive he doesnt tear his knee

Yada yada, hindsight is 20/20. But would have been a big move on Kliff's part to sit him a series.

Ron Rivera benched Cam the 1st series in a game he showed up late for a team flight.

Say what you want about that snake-in-the-grass Riley, but he got 110% out of the innate talent/ability in Mayfield, Murray, Hurts and now Williams. They all preformed at their absolute pinnacle under his leadership.

Riley is smarmy and unlikable, but we need someone like him as HC. Someone who runs things somehow so that players on offense are the best versions of themselves (he shouldn't be allowed to choose his DC though).

 

[kerouac9]

Nobody looks good but what bad in it about Kliff?

His players like him but he won't ball them out? Not great but hardly terrible.

Even the rift with Murray is made out to be more on Murray than Kliff talking about his frustration with him, bad body langauge, showing up late etc

I think that complaining about not having resources and support looks bad. Freezing Kugler out looks bad. Having former players say that he is mismanaging the locker room and making it hard for leaders to step forward looks bad.

The quote about him not being able to be his best makes him look unserious, which I think is the perception of him around the league.

 

[AZ Native]

Do you believe Kliff has called anyone out in his coaching history?

I have no way of knowing. But if he did, it would have been behind closed doors. I saw it many times over the years. Praise in public, criticize in private.

 

[kerouac9]

Say what you want about that snake-in-the-grass Riley, but he got 110% out of the innate talent/ability in Mayfield, Murray, Hurts and now Williams. They all preformed at their absolute pinnacle under his leadership.

Riley is smarmy and unlikable, but we need someone like him as HC. Someone who runs things somehow so that players on offense are the best versions of themselves (he shouldn't be allowed to choose his DC though).

I think this fundamentally misunderstands the jobs of a college and pro head coach.

Riley was a great recruiter and great with boosters. That's why he was able to dominate a bush-league conference like the Big XII and then immediately get embarrassed when he played a similarly talented opponent in the playoff.

 

[AZ Native]

There wasn’t a study clause in his contract for no reason. Murray’s lack of commitment to game prep is unfortunate

Unfortunate? You are being too kind.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Wow. I'm guessing this sounds worse because obviously what's going on right now isn't working -- "We all have to get better," but it's really tough to hear this from a guy who just had the worst season of his professional career.

I know Josh says Burkhart didn't comment for this, but who else could this source be? His dad? Hollywood?

Probably the same family member who told me after year 1 that Kyler strongly dislikes Kliff and thinks he is a bad playcaller who doesn't give him the freedom he wants to call plays.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I think KK will, undeservedly, get another year and Keim will be the one gone. I can see the spin coming already. Injuries, Keim's health, Kugler distraction, etc.

Bidwill is always talking about the "cardinal way and cardinal decisions" whatever that means. I think Harris/Wilson will be the GM duo and some position coaches will be let go. Other than that, status quo for the spinned reasons above.

If you squint your eyes at Kliff, you might be able to see giving him another year.

But does anyone really think he's ever going to coach this team to a championship? With his play-calling and game management and all the penalties? Even you @BritCard? If not, then what's the point?

 

[AZ Native]

Imagine being drafted #1, demanding a top QB contract without winning a playoff game, and showing up late for practices.

Alex, I'll take "who is Kyler Murray for $600".

 

[SoonerLou]

Say what you want about that snake-in-the-grass Riley, but he got 110% out of the innate talent/ability in Mayfield, Murray, Hurts and now Williams. They all preformed at their absolute pinnacle under his leadership.

Riley is smarmy and unlikable, but we need someone like him as HC. Someone who runs things somehow so that players on offense are the best versions of themselves (he shouldn't be allowed to choose his DC though).

Riley learned up Bob Stoops. Kliff, unfortunately, learned under Kevin Sumlin.

Inb4 K9 says Sumlin learned under Stoops too, lol.

Riley had Kyler battling it out with Austin Kendall till the very end until Kyler showed complete mastery of the offense. He wasnt going to let him skate on talent.


Still I think Kliff picked up some casual ways from Sumlin. Still I think he can work here if fix certain spots on the roster.