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The Pelicans have a monster payroll -- seventh highest in the league -- and aren't exactly lighting up the standings. Let's imagine that they decide to cut costs, either at the deadline or this summer, and try to move Holiday, who is owed $105 million over the next four seasons. Let's also imagine that Holiday's contract is viewed across the league as value-neutral at best, and the Pelicans resign themselves to getting very little back in return.

Could Holiday be a fit for the Suns? Let's say they move out a dead weight contract or two and a second-round pick.
 

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The Pelicans have a monster payroll -- seventh highest in the league -- and aren't exactly lighting up the standings. Let's imagine that they decide to cut costs, either at the deadline or this summer, and try to move Holiday, who is owed $105 million over the next four seasons. Let's also imagine that Holiday's contract is viewed across the league as value-neutral at best, and the Pelicans resign themselves to getting very little back in return.

Could Holiday be a fit for the Suns? Let's say they move out a dead weight contract or two and a second-round pick.

That's not a bad idea...

I like his efficiency as a scorer, and he would be a huge upgrade at the point guard position. I wouldn't want to do it this season at the expense of our draft standing, but if we end up with no path to Young or Doncic (or luck into one of the elite big men instead), he could be a really good target imho.
 

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I really liked him and Lou Williams when they were in Philli, but I cannot remember how good his defense is. He is a good enough shooter, a good enough distributor, and a competent defender if I am remembering correctly, but that contract is awful.
 

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I was going to suggest George Hill, but he is a bit older. Still might be a good option for the next two years while the Suns try to acquire his replacement.
 

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I was going to suggest George Hill, but he is a bit older. Still might be a good option for the next two years while the Suns try to acquire his replacement.

I have vague recollection of him rubbing Rudy Gobert the wrong way...like Gobert hinted that Hill was a ball hog? I could be wrong.

Edit: Here's what I found...

After Gobert called out some unsaid teammates for focusing only on getting points and not competing, George Hill came out with this:

"It could've been a little immaturish, but he learned from it," Hill said prior to Monday's tipoff against New Orleans. "That's what bad teams and bad teammates do. He didn't mean any harm and he apologized for it. He just wants to win." http://www.deseretnews.com/user/com...-team-meeting-after-Rudy-Goberts-remarks.html
 

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Actually I was thinking Spencer Dinwiddie.

He's 6-6, 210
Loves the PG position
Improved strength since college has made him a better defender
Averages a ridiculous 4.85 A/TO
Smart player
Only makes about $1.5M

He'd be a great fit next to Booker and Warren.
 

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The only way trading for Holiday makes sense is to unload Knight in the trade but I'd rather keep Knight, he's cheaper. I think we need to look for young PG's looking to establish themselves, not finished products like Holiday who are what they are.
 

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Actually I was thinking Spencer Dinwiddie.

He's 6-6, 210
Loves the PG position
Improved strength since college has made him a better defender
Averages a ridiculous 4.85 A/TO
Smart player
Only makes about $1.5M

He'd be a great fit next to Booker and Warren.

You know, I've watched the Nets four times this season, and I was impressed by Dinwiddie each time. He in under contract for another year, and I am not sure as to what Brooklyn would want in return.
 

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Actually I was thinking Spencer Dinwiddie.

He's 6-6, 210
Loves the PG position
Improved strength since college has made him a better defender
Averages a ridiculous 4.85 A/TO
Smart player
Only makes about $1.5M

He'd be a great fit next to Booker and Warren.
I would prefer Dinwiddie over Holliday. He is bigger, better defender, younger and maybe attainable.

If Brooklyn really wants to keep him, then maybe they would deal DAR.
 

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I like both the Holiday and Dinwiddie ideas.

Both players might be available at the trade deadline. If the Suns are not looking to get more ping pong balls, then why not. I like that Holiday is wrapped up for a long period of time and that Dinwiddie is on the rise. It may come down to how the Suns view their future salary situation with Devin Booker coming up for an extension.

Knight, a first round and something more might work for Holiday.

The Nets would probably take a protected first round pick for Dinwiddie.

Based upon salary, Dinwiddie appears the best option and he is younger.
 

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I like both the Holiday and Dinwiddie ideas.

Both players might be available at the trade deadline. If the Suns are not looking to get more ping pong balls, then why not. I like that Holiday is wrapped up for a long period of time and that Dinwiddie is on the rise. It may come down to how the Suns view their future salary situation with Devin Booker coming up for an extension.

Knight, a first round and something more might work for Holiday.

The Nets would probably would take a protected first round pick for Dinwiddie.

Based upon salary, Dinwiddie appears the best option and he is younger.
IMO Holliday is a negative contract, but its all relative. I don't think we would have wanted to pay Bledsoe that money and I think Bledsoe is a better point guard.
 

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The fact that Holiday is 27 makes this discussion a non-starter and there's no wiggle room there.
 

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IMO Holliday is a negative contract, but its all relative. I don't think we would have wanted to pay Bledsoe that money and I think Bledsoe is a better point guard.

The fact that Holiday is 27 makes this discussion a non-starter and there's no wiggle room there.

Knight would have to be included in the trade to make it a realistic option. I think Holiday would only be 31 or 32 when his contract ran out so this is not terrible. However, I do not know anything about his attitude or injury situation.
 

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BECAUSE HE'S 27.
Are you saying that's too old? In the NBA, players' value only extends until they become unrestricted free agents. So, if he will not be too old by the end of his present deal, I do not see it as an issue. If he was 22 and would become an UFA at 27, I would not consider him any more valuable (except maybe having more potential to improve).
 

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Too old. Mike James was 27 -- sure he's not as good as Holiday, but Holiday isn't a world-beater either.

If we're going with youth, go with youth. If you want to get a middle-aged PG, then get one that is going to make a significant impact. I don't consider Holiday to fit that mold.
 

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Too old. Mike James was 27 -- sure he's not as good as Holiday, but Holiday isn't a world-beater either.

If we're going with youth, go with youth. If you want to get a middle-aged PG, then get one that is going to make a significant impact. I don't consider Holiday to fit that mold.
At some point you need to surround the youth with solid vets. At the moment we have no talented youth at the PG position and thus it wouldn’t be a bad idea to add a solid veteran there.
 

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Too old. Mike James was 27 -- sure he's not as good as Holiday, but Holiday isn't a world-beater either.

If we're going with youth, go with youth. If you want to get a middle-aged PG, then get one that is going to make a significant impact. I don't consider Holiday to fit that mold.

I wouldn't consider a 27 year old players to be "middle-aged." I'd say that a basketball player's prime starts at that age and goes until they are 32-33 or so. I understand not wanting a 32 year old player, but I think it's a mistake to assemble a team that consists of players not old enough to drink. In my opinion, 27 is about an ideal age for someone to join the Suns. Booker is an excellent player right now. Warren is a very good player right now. Someone just entering their prime would be a perfect fit.

Note, I am not talking specifically about this one player, as I am really not familiar with him enough. I am speaking in general terms here.
 

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Yeah, I'm not a Jrue fan, but a guy being 27 should not be a 'hard no' for our interest, not even close.
 

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Jrue Holiday being in his prime at age 27 isn't exactly part of my Most Wanted list of players.

Again, the point is that I don't even think Holiday is that solid. He's ok, but that's it. If this is his prime, then how much help do you think he will be? Especially at that price?
 

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Jrue Holiday being in his prime at age 27 isn't exactly part of my Most Wanted list of players.

Again, the point is that I don't even think Holiday is that solid. He's ok, but that's it. If this is his prime, then how much help do you think he will be? Especially at that price?
OK. I get the salary being too high. I get that you don't believe a player his age will not improve much--though many do. But if he is the player that fits as he currently performs, the age is not an issue to me.

All that said, I prefer Dinwiddie. Age, salary, size, and defense.
 

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