Kobe strikes again

[D-Dogg]

even he stated it was a clear out move

Which would be an offensive foul. Not even a flagrant, but an offensive foul.

And speaking of flagrant, whatever happened to upgrading a foul to a flagrant? Now it's just upgraded to a suspension? Isn't that a bit odd? Shouldn't they have to upgrade the foul to a flagrant (which is a tech and counts on the season tally, right, and would also be more money paid in a fine)?

 

[D-Dogg]

Last year after Raja Bell threw Kobe to the ground, Phil Jackson was asked if Raja should be suspended for it. After he was asked the question, Phil Jackson said, "Why?"

You know why Jax said that. He wanted Raja out there and not being some rally point for the Suns...please don't pretend Jackson doesn't play headgames.

 

[D-Dogg]

Also, can we please stop this Kobe doesn't get the calls he should BS

Kobe doesn't get a lot of the calls he should. He also gets a lot of calls that he shouldn't. But in traffic, he doesn't get the foul calls others get (and part of it is because of his propensity to flail about in traffic and refs don't want to be fooled.) Hell, I'm fooled in live action sometimes until I see a replay and realize he didn't get fouled.

 

[mribnik]

You know why Jax said that. He wanted Raja out there and not being some rally point for the Suns...please don't pretend Jackson doesn't play headgames.

That's the whole point. Regardless of the reason for saying it, what they said means absolutely nothing and proves absolutely nothing. Manu didn't want Kobe getting suspended for it because Manu flails around just as much as Kobe. Had Jaric suggested Kobe deserved a suspension his teammates would've given him a "code red."

 

[MigratingOsprey]

he still gets plenty of calls - more than most and that is the superstar treatment of the NBA - the refs are and always will be very imperfect and very inconsistent - that's a given

also, if you clip someone in the face and injure them with a clear out move you're going to get a suspension as you should - you should have better control of your body when you are initiating the contact

 

[D-Dogg]

Manu didn't want Kobe getting suspended for it because Manu flails around just as much as Kobe.

With that statement, you cement a point I've been making throughout this thread.

IF the league is going to suspend Kobe for that, they need to suspend Manu as well. He has caused injury by flailing about. But it isn't called that way. It's fairly stupid for the NBA to be inconsistent about this...I have no problem with it being a suspension if that's the way it will be for everyone. Yet Lebron clotheslines Wade and it's not even called a flagrant. Inconsistency.

Alert me the next time Manu hurts someone flopping or Bruce Bowen does a flying kick on someone and the league suspends them for it. Maybe I'll change my tune then.

 

[D-Dogg]

also, if you clip someone in the face and injure them with a clear out move you're going to get a suspension as you should - you should have better control of your body when you are initiating the contact

I don't see the NBA with any consistency on that. It's more likely to be an offensive foul, or possibly a flagrant.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

most people control themselves though with their moves - or mask it to the point where everyone winks and says "it's just part of the game"

when it's that obvious and that out in the open they have to act

I can't think of any circumstance with someone else where they didn't act

 

[mribnik]

With that statement, you cement a point I've been making throughout this thread.

IF the league is going to suspend Kobe for that, they need to suspend Manu as well. He has caused injury by flailing about. But it isn't called that way. It's fairly stupid for the NBA to be inconsistent about this...I have no problem with it being a suspension if that's the way it will be for everyone. Yet Lebron clotheslines Wade and it's not even called a flagrant. Inconsistency.

Alert me the next time Manu hurts someone flopping or Bruce Bowen does a flying kick on someone and the league suspends them for it. Maybe I'll change my tune then.

I agree with this. I would say that this type of punishment is relatively new, and I haven't personally seen Manu get close to injuring someone this year (although I'm sure that's the case). Last year his flopping led to Barbosa's injury though. I wouldn't be surprised to see flopping incidents in the future lead to suspensions as well. Do you go along with other Laker fans that believe this is some conspiracy against Kobe?

I think the Lebron foul probably deserved a flagrant, although I wouldn't classify that foul in the same way I would Bryant's. In the situation Lebron was in he had to make a foul, so contact with Wade was necessary. The reason he made contact with the head was because, in a split second, Wade brought the ball down from the level of his head to his midsection to avoid getting stripped. Lebron was running full speed and couldn't react in time. It still deserved a flagrant, but it was a different type of basketball play and didn't deserve a suspension like Kobe's did.

It's all moot though. Kobe got suspended the first time and he did the same thing and got suspended again. This motion of his is not an integral part of his game and he can control it.

Edit: Ugh, my 1000th post was about Kobe. I'm going to go take a shower now.

 

[elindholm]

Edit: Ugh, my 1000th post was about Kobe. I'm going to go take a shower now.

Watch your back.

 

[Covert Rain]

Edit: Ugh, my 1000th post was about Kobe. I'm going to go take a shower now.

Classic.

 

[D-Dogg]

Do you go along with other Laker fans that believe this is some conspiracy against Kobe?

Hardly. That's for the people at OverreactionGround.net aka Lakersground.

 

[mribnik]

Hardly. That's for the people at OverreactionGround.net aka Lakersground.

Don't forget VTB! As crazy as he is, I believe the people at Lakersground take him as the gospel.

 

[D-Dogg]

Don't forget VTB! As crazy as he is, I believe the people at Lakersground take him as the gospel.

I don't think even the LG'ers are that crazy!

Feeelin' YOU!

 

[TJV]

Welcome to the first day of your 3 day break.

Totally unmerited

 

[elindholm]

Totally unmerited

Parallel usernames typically "merit" even longer suspensions. I'd quit while not too far behind if I were you.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Totally unmerited

Signing up under a new username brings about a permanent ban of your secondary account and a longer ban of your main account.

I am not extending your current ban beyond the 3 days, but I would suggest you not register again.

 

[justAndy]

Kobe apologists and Kobe haters negate each other.
I think all the flopping and attempted aftershot contact should either be no-calls for the player doing those things or offensive and defensive fouls if the ref judges it egregious.

 

[jenna2891]

However, IIRC he didn't think the first one should have been a suspension, so it follows he doesn't think this one should either.

i didn't think the first one should have been a suspension, but i sure as hell think this one should be. right or wrong, the league has set a precedent for kobe (and, one assumes, others): hit someone while flailing to get a call after a shot, get a suspension.

he's a moron for doing it again (a double dog moron for doing it again so soon) and he deserves to be suspended.

 

[Covert Rain]

i didn't think the first one should have been a suspension, but i sure as hell think this one should be. right or wrong, the league has set a precedent for kobe (and, one assumes, others): hit someone while flailing to get a call after a shot, get a suspension.

he's a moron for doing it again (a double dog moron for doing it again so soon) and he deserves to be suspended.

Now there is no excuses. He knows and everybody else knows what will happen going forward. It's a none issue. If you push somebody's nose to the back of their head (intent or no intent) it's going to cost you.

Move along....these aren't the driods your looking for.

 

[kps0001]

Lakers coach Phil Jackson was restrained in disagreeing with the suspension, but couldn't help letting some sarcasm drip through.

"In this league, everybody's got a pretty face, and we're going to try to keep it that way," Jackson said before the Lakers' game at Milwaukee.

Jackson acknowledged that the two plays Bryant was suspended for are similar, but made it clear that he didn't agree with the punishment.

"If they're going to make a call, even if they're wrong, they'll still be consistent," Jackson said.

Bryant, second in the NBA with 29.2 points per game, missed Wednesday night's game and forfeited about $161,000 in salary.

Jackson said Bryant was simply using his normal follow-through in an attempt to draw a foul.

"I think I'm going to have to put about 50 clips of Kobe shooting his shot and his arms going out like that so the judger of this deed of Kobe's sees that he does this a lot," Jackson said. "It's not an unnatural basketball motion."
And Jackson said Bryant is hardly the only player who uses his arms to create space for shots or draw fouls, pointing to the Lakers' Dec. 17 overtime loss to Washington in which Gilbert Arenas shot 27 free throws.

"He was throwing his arms out there to create a foul situation, and got the calls that night," Jackson said. "So I know that it does work for some players on given nights."

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/03/07/ap3496034.html



Steel, even Phil Jackson says Kobe does this (the flailing) quite often. I'm going to have to go with my eyes and the coach's comments on this one.

HAHAHA I would challenge Phil to do this if I could. I would take one if his championship rings if I prove him wrong and if he proves me wrong I would wipe his dirty rear for a year....with my hand.

I just watched, probably, what amounted to an hours worth of clips of Kobe on Youtube. Hundreds of shots and I didn't see this once. Add this to the amount of times I have watched Kobe live in person or TV and I call BS on Phil.

What was funny to me was during all these highlights the amount of fouls I saw Kobe commit and not get called on it. Kobe is a good..no a great player but he needs to come to the realization that he is and never will be Michael.

 

[ozzfloyd]

Apparently Kobe pulled another similar manuever tonight against Kyle Korver. I didn't see it, but the Laker fans out there online say this one looks more intentional than the previous one. What is Kobe's deal? He needs to know better...we know he's not stupid...

 

[ozzfloyd]

video. Kobe elbow #3

VIDEO

 

[jbeecham]

You don't raise your non-dribbling arm up that high unless you're trying to elbow someone in the face. He wasn't shooting so he can't claim he was flailing to try to get a shooting foul called. I hope he gets suspended again.

 

[TheHopToad]

The Lakers are looking like a lottery team now anyway. Kobe could take a few days off and it wouldn't matter much in the results.