Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[BritCard]

That first play I mentioned in the game thread. Had he been decisive and run right away it's an easy first down. He was focused though on Wilson and the deep throw and ignoring everything else.

I'd just like to see him stop and make the throw to Weaver here. It's not a tough throw.

One thing very apparent from watching the All 22. There are very few plays that ask Kyler to sit in the pocket and go through reads. There are far more plays that are either designed to go to one guy no matter what, or Kyler is deciding pre snap he's going to that guy no matter what. The 2nd most common option is against zone coverage Kyler just looks around until he find a guy stood open.

There is very little (might not be any TBH) of traditional QB progressions where Kyler sits in the pocket and goes through 1, 2, 3 reads.

A lot of the same things that happened under Kliff are still there.

 

[kerouac9]

I'd just like to see him stop and make the throw to Weaver here. It's not a tough throw.

One thing very apparent from watching the All 22. There are very few plays that ask Kyler to sit in the pocket and go through reads. There are far more plays that are either designed to go to one guy no matter what, or Kyler is deciding pre snap he's going to that guy no matter what. The 2nd most common option is against zone coverage Kyler just looks around until he find a guy stood open.

There is very little (might not be any TBH) of traditional QB progressions where Kyler sits in the pocket and goes through 1, 2, 3 reads.

A lot of the same things that happened under Kliff are still there.

Kurt Warner was talking about this on the This is Football podcast. He said that many OCs and QB coaches are actually teaching their quarterbacks progressions 1, 2, 3 instead of teaching them how to read the defense and respond to that.

The progressions are an "easy button" to program the QB and he doesn't have to do the mental work to sove problems. Kind of a short-term solution that creates a long-term problem.

I think the biggest deal with Kyler is that he's a poor rhythm passer and we have wideouts who excel in rhythm passing games. Kyler doesn't make good anticipation throws, so he's waiting for these big angular guys to get open.

 

[602 Native]

Kurt Warner was talking about this on the This is Football podcast. He said that many OCs and QB coaches are actually teaching their quarterbacks progressions 1, 2, 3 instead of teaching them how to read the defense and respond to that.

The progressions are an "easy button" to program the QB and he doesn't have to do the mental work to sove problems. Kind of a short-term solution that creates a long-term problem.

I think the biggest deal with Kyler is that he's a poor rhythm passer and we have wideouts who excel in rhythm passing games. Kyler doesn't make good anticipation throws, so he's waiting for these big angular guys to get open.

Don't disagree with the progressions. It also could be why we see the passing yards so far down this season especially with the young QBs.

How can anyone say how our WR are X after playing so little games as Cardinals and with K1. I don't think we have enough game tape on any of them yet to determine their traits.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kurt Warner was talking about this on the This is Football podcast. He said that many OCs and QB coaches are actually teaching their quarterbacks progressions 1, 2, 3 instead of teaching them how to read the defense and respond to that.

The progressions are an "easy button" to program the QB and he doesn't have to do the mental work to sove problems. Kind of a short-term solution that creates a long-term problem.

I think the biggest deal with Kyler is that he's a poor rhythm passer and we have wideouts who excel in rhythm passing games. Kyler doesn't make good anticipation throws, so he's waiting for these big angular guys to get open.

This 100%. It's why I give MHJ a lot of grace. Kyler is not a WR friendly QB.

 

[urs]

I'm so happy still shots are back!!

 

[Ronin]

Kyle Odegard

@Kyle_Odegard

Kyler on his increased command at the line of scrimmage:“When you're a rookie, you get surprised by coverages, blitzes, schemes and stuff like that. Now being in Year 6, OK, I can eliminate certain things. They can do this. They can't do this because certain dudes are there. There are a lot of things that I can eliminate pre-snap and be able to play faster."

 

[Crimson Warrior]

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Trey McBride should get high target share against the Chargers' defenseMcBride has been targeted on 25.5% of his routes, which is the 2nd highest target rate among TEs. The LA defense allows targets to TEs at the 3rd highest rate in the NFL, making them susceptible

A point in favor of Murray I think.

McBride is sure-handed and runs good routes. He's a reliable productive weapon.

And, Murray is finding him. A lot.

 

[BritCard]

Kyle Odegard
@Kyle_Odegard

Kyler on his increased command at the line of scrimmage:“When you're a rookie, you get surprised by coverages, blitzes, schemes and stuff like that. Now being in Year 6, OK, I can eliminate certain things. They can do this. They can't do this because certain dudes are there. There are a lot of things that I can eliminate pre-snap and be able to play faster."

I thought this was hilarious after just watching him zone read into a safety that was just stood right there to stop the zone read, then sit on the floor and throw his hands up like it was a surprise.

 

[Redsz]

Do any of you stat-heads have splits for Kyler when he is facing man or zone?

 

[Redsz]

Only thing I could find is this:

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[BritCard]

Only thing I could find is this:

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He's 18th in EPA per drop back, so if he's 9th vs zone what does that make him vs man? About 27th?

I'd be amazed if Chargers are zone heavy considering how others have shown how to stop him with man.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I'd be amazed if Chargers are zone heavy considering how others have shown how to stop him with man.

Harbaugh is really good at scheming for opponents

I'm sure he has a plan for us

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He's 18th in EPA per drop back, so if he's 9th vs zone what does that make him vs man? About 27th?

I'd be amazed if Chargers are zone heavy considering how others have shown how to stop him with man.

Do you stop Murray with man, or do you stop Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison with man?

 

[TRW]

Do you stop Murray with man, or do you stop Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison with man?

Doesn't matter. A lot of times they stop themselves.

 

[BritCard]

Do you stop Murray with man, or do you stop Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison with man?

Murray for sure. He's always struggled vs man.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Murray for sure. He's always struggled vs man.

Did defenses play man against Murray and DHop?

Game. Set. Match.

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[HairZach]

With a bunch of QBs that I hold in higher esteem than Kyler performing terribly today, maybe I judge Kyler too much. My opinion on Kyler flip-flops almost hourly on Sundays.

 

[602 Native]

With a bunch of QBs that I hold in higher esteem than Kyler performing terribly today, maybe I judge Kyler too much. My opinion on Kyler flip-flops almost hourly on Sundays.

I am still waiting for the Danny Dimes honks to come back to the topic.

 

[SoonerLou]

Kyler will likely enter tomorrow top 5 in QBR.

Gotta start resulting in wins though.

 

[Gambler]

Kyler will likely enter tomorrow top 5 in QBR.

Gotta start resulting in wins though.

QBR and all the other worthless stats. It's not what I see with eyes when I watch the games.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Russell Wilson just threw one of the worst passes I have seen in my life to Pickens. The ball was so underthrown it bounced off the defenders head.

Pickens turned back and grabbed the ball off the helmet hit. The defender then establishes contact and Pickens loses the ball but again focuses and grabs it in the air again.

We had a 5 page debate about a pass that hit the receiver in our game thread.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Kyler will likely enter tomorrow top 5 in QBR.

Gotta start resulting in wins though.

Tom Brady said today or something to the affect. QBs don't play for stats they play for wins. So all that and a couple of bucks will get you all the coffee you want at Denny's.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I just don't see K1 ever being a winning QB in the NFL. I mean some folks point out ownership and such. Well Kurt Warner overcame the human snail and the same ownership group. BA and Carson Palmer overcame a drunk GM and the same ownership group.

After 6 years he is what is, a fairly good fantasy QB just not a QB who can win games. Mostly due to garbage time stats. I would be glad to be proven wrong but I just don't see it.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I just don't see K1 ever being a winning QB in the NFL. I mean some folks point out ownership and such. Well Kurt Warner overcame the human snail and the same ownership group. BA and Carson Palmer overcame a drunk GM and the same ownership group.

After 6 years he is what is, a fairly good fantasy QB just not a QB who can win games. Mostly due to garbage time stats. I would be glad to be proven wrong but I just don't see it.

He has already been a winning QB?

My dude just look at Goff and Mayfield.

 

[WisconsinCard]

He has already been a winning QB?

My dude just look at Goff and Mayfield.

He's 30 -40-1 is not a winning record. I want to win a Superbowl before I die. I don't see him getting it done