Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[WisconsinCard]

I swore I was not going to respond to your comments anymore but there at least 3-4 things wrong.
1. Thinking MO will get rid of Kyler if he wants to? No he won’t because Bidwill won’t let him.
2. This team cannot look at any opponent and consider them weak teams. WE are just as weak.
3. Do you really believe the 49ers are going to roll over and play dead against a division opponent who beat them earlier in the year when they were missing 1/2 of their offensive weapons? And especially if by some miracle the Cardinals needed a win to make the playoffs?
We MIGHT win 1 more game.
The Rams and 49ers will run us into the ground.

Why do you think Bidwill won't let him? It would save Michael money to get rid of him and either play a rookie, Tune, or a mid free agent.

 

[slanidrac16]

Why do you think Bidwill won't let him? It would save Michael money to get rid of him and either pay a rookie, Tune, or a mid free agent.

Based on past history when does he ever do the right thing?

 

[WisconsinCard]

Based on past history when does he ever do the right thing?

Ok I get that but keeping money in their pockets is a priority for them it seems.

 

[Chopper0080]

Another thing...I see alot of the same posters who are advocating for doing what the Vikings and Broncos did at QB are the same ones who were laughing at the idea that JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix were 1st round QBs. Point of note, JJ might be QB1 in this draft class and Bo Nix wouldn't be far behind.

 

[602 Native]

I swore I was not going to respond to your comments anymore but there at least 3-4 things wrong.
1. Thinking MO will get rid of Kyler if he wants to? No he won’t because Bidwill won’t let him.
2. This team cannot look at any opponent and consider them weak teams. WE are just as weak.
3. Do you really believe the 49ers are going to roll over and play dead against a division opponent who beat them earlier in the year when they were missing 1/2 of their offensive weapons? And especially if by some miracle the Cardinals needed a win to make the playoffs?
We MIGHT win 1 more game.
The Rams and 49ers will run us into the ground.

It’s just a message board brother nothing is serious here just dudes talking about football as fans.

1. MO should grow some balls then if he thinks K1 can’t get it done. ‘Me or K1’ would be where I would start if I thought the dude was going to get me fired. What would be there to lose? Also as a new GM his stock with Bidwill might never be higher.

2. The Pats and the Panthers are for sure weak. That is from a fans point of view not a player obviously. I have zero to do with the teams success.

3. I don’t think any team will necessarily roll over but the Whiners are about to go on a losing streak and the last game shouldn’t matter to them. Rams Lions and maybe even the Dolphins. They might be even more depleted now than we first played them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yea..

And Jameis resorted to being a backup because he wasn’t a good player.

“Hey! My QB might throw 2-3 INTs a game, but damnit, at least he’s firing his teammates up with speeches!”

Yeaaaa…..no.


I want good Quarterback play. I don’t care if you’re the loudest person on the sideline or the quietest person on the sideline.

All the other stuff you guys getting mad over is nonsensical high school football drama.

I kinda think you’re selling leadership, or the lack thereof. WAAAAAY short.

 

[kerouac9]

Unfortunately, last place is where the Cardinals will likely stay for the rest of the regular season. Get your golf clubs ready, KM!

Kyler famously does not play golf. You should say “get ready to pick up your sticks Kyler “

I don’t know how I have got stuck advocating for both Kyler and Petzing but you all need to level out because I dont like it. People just need to chill and enjoy the fact that this team is competitive enough to rip our heart out in Dec.

I’m fine with both of them also. Now both Gannon and Monti see that have a Tannehill-level QB. Maybe we’re building a dime-store 2021 Titans team; if so, I hope the bottom continues to fall out of the NFC west.

It’s just a message board brother nothing is serious here just dudes talking about football as fans.

1. MO should grow some balls then if he thinks K1 can’t get it done. ‘Me or K1’ would be where I would start if I thought the dude was going to get me fired. What would be there to lose? Also as a new GM his stock with Bidwill might never be higher.

2. The Pats and the Panthers are for sure weak. That is from a fans point of view not a player obviously. I have zero to do with the teams success.

3. I don’t think any team will necessarily roll over but the Whiners are about to go on a losing streak and the last game shouldn’t matter to them. Rams Lions and maybe even the Dolphins. They might be even more depleted now than we first played them.

1) What does “can’t get it done” mean? I think Kyler can make the NFC Championship game with proper talent around him, and our current cap and draft situation makes that possible. Disappointing he yakked in ANOTHER playoff qualifier, but this team also lags in talent.

2) mid teams like us should still beat bad teams like CAR and NE. Losing to either — much less both — would shake my conviction that Gannon isn’t a bottom-third HC.

3) Shanahan’s 49ers have historically packed it up at the end of a lost season. It’ll be interesting to see when Purdy is eligible to get the bag and a couple other players are pending free agency.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Another thing...I see alot of the same posters who are advocating for doing what the Vikings and Broncos did at QB are the same ones who were laughing at the idea that JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix were 1st round QBs. Point of note, JJ might be QB1 in this draft class and Bo Nix wouldn't be far behind.

Point of note: we (I) was wrong. And there will likely be QBs in this draft who will prove people wrong too.

The fear of the unknown in the face of the certainty of failure has just never made sense to me. The Kyler era is a failure. The sooner the team makes peace with that, the sooner they can start again, while also not having to deal with that terrible contract on the books for multiple seasons.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Man, all of this just sucks so much. Prepared for sad post below.

I’ve been watching Kyler since his days at Allen. Everybody know who Kyler Murray was whether if you were in DFW, West Texas, East Texas, etc, guy was a Superstar. From his days at A&M to OU. I’m not a fan of either college, but I still followed his progression throughout. I was happy we drafted him after moving on from Rosen. I’ve been rooting for him not only because he was the QB for my favorite professional team, but as a young black man myself, I have LONG rooted for a black QB to be the franchise QB for this team. This honestly hurts me a lot more than it does you guys.

He just doesn’t have what it takes to perform at the level where it’s most critical. Some of it is physical, some of it is mental. Really hurts to admit. I don’t hate Kyler & never will unless he commits a heinous crime. I will still root for his success, but I still care about this team’s success at the end of the day.

I get this. Now try being Jewish and a football fan. Maybe we didn’t follow Rosen the way you did, but the allure of a Jewish QB for the cards? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? I was geeked. But as soon as I saw he wasn’t a pro QB I gave up that dream. So I know your pain, but I’ve always been a bigger fan of the team than an individual player. I just never understood living a single player so much I couldn’t see the truth about him. And I was totally ready to move on to kyler from Rosen.

But sorry for your pain. It sucks.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Why Cardinals loss to Seahawks prove Kyler Murray is not the answer at quarterback

The Arizona Cardinals suffered a loss to the Seattle Seahawks, and it shows quarterback Kyler Murray is not the answer for the team.

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Biggest issue for me is not being clutch in the biggest games. I would have said that the playoff game was a typical rookie playoff performance but Sunday and the 2 games after the bye brings K1s ability to be the man in the most crucial times into question.

His playoff performance was way beyond a typical rookie playoff performance. And he wasn’t a rookie.

 

[DVontel]

I kinda think you’re selling leadership, or the lack thereof. WAAAAAY short.

I don’t know, every time I watched a QB like Joe Burrow & Justin Herbert, they don’t “rile up the troops” after a turnover. They meet up with whoever their QB coach is & look over their tablet. Next possession, they go out & put up points like a great QB that bounces back from their mistakes. They don’t need to be a meme like Jameis on the sideline because they show it on the field. That’s leadership.

 

[kerouac9]

His playoff performance was way beyond a typical rookie playoff performance. And he wasn’t a rookie.

I’m old enough to remember when Brock Purdy lead the 49ers to the NFC Championship Game as a rookie.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You can't really be elite if you gag during big games which he has done now 2x when there were big games.

And yes I am still a big fan of K1 and really hope he can turn it around.

More than 2x. Every time it’s been a playoff clincher, a playoff game, or a crucial game for playoffs he’s stunk. EVERY TIME.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How much longer 602 Native vs The World is going to continue

He’s the lone holdout. Gotta give him some credit for remaining in his own world. Can’t be easy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Another thing...I see alot of the same posters who are advocating for doing what the Vikings and Broncos did at QB are the same ones who were laughing at the idea that JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix were 1st round QBs. Point of note, JJ might be QB1 in this draft class and Bo Nix wouldn't be far behind.

You’re right. I was one of those. I can admit when I’m wrong.

 

[slanidrac16]

Kyler famously does not play golf. You should say “get ready to pick up your sticks Kyler “


I’m fine with both of them also. Now both Gannon and Monti see that have a Tannehill-level QB. Maybe we’re building a dime-store 2021 Titans team; if so, I hope the bottom continues to fall out of the NFC west.


1) What does “can’t get it done” mean? I think Kyler can make the NFC Championship game with proper talent around him, and our current cap and draft situation makes that possible. Disappointing he yakked in ANOTHER playoff qualifier, but this team also lags in talent.

2) mid teams like us should still beat bad teams like CAR and NE. Losing to either — much less both — would shake my conviction that Gannon isn’t a bottom-third HC.

3) Shanahan’s 49ers have historically packed it up at the end of a lost season. It’ll be interesting to see when Purdy is eligible to get the bag and a couple other players are pending free agency.

I predict shake.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don’t know, every time I watched a QB like Joe Burrow & Justin Herbert, they don’t “rile up the troops” after a turnover. They meet up with whoever their QB coach is & look over their tablet. Next possession, they go out & put up points like a great QB that bounces back from their mistakes. They don’t need to be a meme like Jameis on the sideline because they show it on the field. That’s leadership.

But I never see them just sitting and pouting or throwing up their arms like kylers signature moves. That’s not leadership man. It’s anti-leadership. And that’s what we are talking about. It’s not the lack of “rah rah,” it’s the negativity. It’s a kyler trait unfortunately. I can’t recall any QB we’ve ever had that has that sour countenance.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He’s the lone holdout. Gotta give him some credit for remaining in his own world. Can’t be easy.

I'm still in. Just on the down low. There's no point to getting in front of the freight train of anti-Murray sentiment on the board. Just ducking my head in for a moment to declare my allegiance.

That K1 choked on Sunday doesn't mean for certain he won't be successful here in ARZ. He still has next year. There's a non-zero chance he comes back better in 2025, despite any assertions to the contrary.

But, by all means, don't let me stop the funeral procession for Murray's tenure as the Cardinals' QB1.

Please continue with your eulogies and obituaries.

 

[602 Native]

I'm still in. Just on the down low. There's no point to getting in front of the freight train of anti-Murray sentiment on the board. Just ducking my head in for a moment to declare my allegiance.

That K1 choked on Sunday doesn't mean for certain he won't be successful here in ARZ. He still has next year. There's a non-zero chance he comes back better in 2025, despite any assertions to the contrary.

But, by all means, don't let me stop the funeral procession for Murray's tenure as the Cardinals' QB1.

Please continue with your eulogies and obituaries.

Let them eat.

They have zero idea of what they are asking for jettisoning K1 without a plan.

Remember they loved Skelton, Hall, Anderson, and thought Leinart was better than Warner.

 

[slanidrac16]

Let them eat.

They have zero idea of what they are asking for jettisoning K1 without a plan.

Remember they loved Skelton, Hall, Anderson, and thought Leinart was better than Warner.

I keep hearing how other teams would kill to get Kyler.
Well if that’s the case let’s look at these teams. Maybe they could be fleeced into giving up a boatload.

I doubt it but there are some dumb originations out there just like us. Raiders? Jets? Saints?

It’s a moot point. We ain’t doing nothing. And we’ll get to read your post next year about why it would be stupid to move on from Kyler.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Kyler famously does not play golf.

Not even miniature golf?

 

[WisconsinCard]

Let them eat.

They have zero idea of what they are asking for jettisoning K1 without a plan.

Remember they loved Skelton, Hall, Anderson, and thought Leinart was better than Warner.

You have no idea of who said what back In those days I can surely tell you I was not a fan of any of those QBs. Although I did enjoy watching skeleton beat the eagles.

 

[kerouac9]

Not even miniature golf?

Devastating

 

[BritCard]

If you are going to replace a QB you don’t wait till you need one.

Cards better invest in one this draft and sit him for at least a year or two.

You don’t get rid of a serviceable QB without having a plan. Doing so is what the Cardinals have always done and it has been disastrous.

If Cards draft a QB for the future with a high draft pick how do you think Kyler will react? I don't see it being a positive one.

 

[BritCard]

Maybe he'll have a Baker or Darnold resurgence elsewhere. However, we've seen enough to know its just not happening here.

Speaking of OU/A&M. I think bottoming out at A&M and having to go through years of backing up Baker, not being named starter until the week before at OU was the best thing to happen to his college career. Unfortunately, I think Kyler took the wrong lessons with him to the NFL.

He clearly didn't have the maturity early on to help uplift the organization. He believed there were crappy people in charge and he knew everything about winning. I bring this up because I truly do believe he has matured, but not closing the deal in 2020 and 2021 is what makes this recent 2nd half dip all the more disappointing. If we just saw multiple playoff appearances, maybe a win or two. We'd just look at the big picture of seeing we're still somewhat ahead of schedule roster wise, we still have a potential monster free agency, the young players can get better, etc.

However, 2020/2021 just make 2024 clear that he'll likely not be that guy. He couldn't close the deal with much better talent and TBH a better play caller. So why have hope in the future?

I fear we would have been better served sitting Kyler the entire 2023 season and just getting Williams, Daniels or Maye. And bite the bullet (if possible) like Denver did with Russ. Cause the gap isn't glaring and those guys at least have the potential to be better than what we've seen. Its sad.

He's gotta go undefeated to regain some goodwill and even then that wont matter if we don't make the playoffs. Some would say he'd still need to do more.

He says he loves this scheme and has spoken enthusiastically about it many times. If he can't perform in a scheme he loves with coaches that strongly believe in him and have done everything they can for him to succeed, I just don't see how he might work elsewhere.

Drop him into a team with the best O line in the league and maybe, but what are the odds of that?