Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[602 Native]

People on here were saying the game was meaningless BEFORE the game was played. Don't go rewriting history.

So what

Had we lost that wouldn’t have been the message

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It's possible my boy might still need to mature some more.

Poise is maturity's first cousin, and while Kyler has obviously made steps in the right direction in this regard, there are still some signs he might have a ways to go.

Getting his head kicked in by the fans and media every time he loses a big game might hasten the process some.

 

[Stout]

It's possible my boy might still need to mature some more.

Poise is maturity's first cousin, and while Kyler has obviously made steps in the right direction in this regard, there are still some signs he might have a ways to go.

Getting his head kicked in by the fans and media every time he loses a big game might hasten the process some.

Bah, if he still needs to mature by now, it ain't happening. How many years does he get to mature? 7, 8, 10, 12? Again, bah, I say

 

[kerouac9]

Again had he lost on Sunday people would for sure be parroting the “He can’t win meaningful games”.

Your ability to navigate alternative timelines is impressive.

If the Cards had lost last week, the focus would have fallen entirely on Gannon for not preparing the team to beat an extremely vulnerable opponent at home. There was nothing meaningful about that Pats game, really.

It's possible my boy might still need to mature some more.

Poise is maturity's first cousin, and while Kyler has obviously made steps in the right direction in this regard, there are still some signs he might have a ways to go.

Getting his head kicked in by the fans and media every time he loses a big game might hasten the process some.

Kyler is making his 80th career start. I understand that Lamar Jackson lost his first two playoff starts. Peyton Manning lost his first three playoff games. But at least those guys won the games to make the playoffs.

I don't think the criticism is helpful. I think he's super-sensitive to it.

 

[Chopper0080]

So what

Had we lost that wouldn’t have been the message

Good QBs generally don't get credit for beating bad teams. NE was a bad team.

Good QBs don't generally get credit for winning single games when they are a fringe playoff team. AZ is on the outside looking in.

Good QBs don't generally get credit for digging themselves out of a hole they put themselves in. Kyler lost 3 games in a row against playoff quality teams when AZ was in control of it's own destiny.

If you want to argue Kyler is in the same class as Geno Smith and Sam Darnold and Russ, you have to hold him to the same standards. Atlanta has the same record as AZ, beat a bad team, and still benched Cousins. A little different situation as they drafted Penix, but still, good QBs need to produce. You are correct that Kyler has the ability to change the narrative around his play in meaningful games, but that isn't done by beating a 3 win New England team.

 

[Chopper0080]

Your ability to navigate alternative timelines is impressive.

If the Cards had lost last week, the focus would have fallen entirely on Gannon for not preparing the team to beat an extremely vulnerable opponent at home. There was nothing meaningful about that Pats game, really.



Kyler is making his 80th career start. I understand that Lamar Jackson lost his first two playoff starts. Peyton Manning lost his first three playoff games. But at least those guys won the games to make the playoffs.

I don't think the criticism is helpful. I think he's super-sensitive to it.

I think it is more helpful to the franchise than it is to Murray.

 

[602 Native]

Good QBs generally don't get credit for beating bad teams. NE was a bad team.

Good QBs don't generally get credit for winning single games when they are a fringe playoff team. AZ is on the outside looking in.

Good QBs don't generally get credit for digging themselves out of a hole they put themselves in. Kyler lost 3 games in a row against playoff quality teams when AZ was in control of it's own destiny.

If you want to argue Kyler is in the same class as Geno Smith and Sam Darnold and Russ, you have to hold him to the same standards. Atlanta has the same record as AZ, beat a bad team, and still benched Cousins. A little different situation as they drafted Penix, but still, good QBs need to produce. You are correct that Kyler has the ability to change the narrative around his play in meaningful games, but that isn't done by beating a 3 win New England team.

I love the recency bias by the Geno and Darnold lovers. Two dudes that have never done anything at all in the NFL except bounce around the league for their whole careers.

Darnold hasn’t even had back to back good seasons ever in his career. Geno has as many tds as interceptions.

Keep this same energy when these two dudes crumble and plunge back to earth.

 

[kerouac9]

I love the recency bias by the Geno and Darnold lovers. Two dudes that have never done anything at all in the NFL except bounce around the league for their whole careers.

Darnold hasn’t even had back to back good seasons ever in his career. Geno has as many tds as interceptions.

Keep this same energy when these two dudes crumble and plunge back to earth.

Hilarious that someone who's demanding Kyler get his laurels for beating the Pats is accusing others of suffering from recency bias.

 

[602 Native]

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[Chopper0080]

I love the recency bias by the Geno and Darnold lovers. Two dudes that have never done anything at all in the NFL except bounce around the league for their whole careers.

Darnold hasn’t even had back to back good seasons ever in his career. Geno has as many tds as interceptions.

Keep this same energy when these two dudes crumble and plunge back to earth.

Geno Smith is 25 and 21 with a playoff appearance in this three years as a starter in Seattle. That is better than any three game stretch in Kyler's career. If anything, this is a slanderous comp for Geno, not Kyler.

 

[BirdGangThing]

i tried with murray but at the end of the day im a cardinal fan - not a kyler-dinal fan

last year we said we'd give him this year - and we did - he has more tools than tim the tool man taylor but it appears nothing nothing has been fixed - infact he's regressed and for some reason runs a lot less

a top tier qb with this team would've won AT LEAST one of the last three games - there's no debating this - because top tier qbs are about more than these $10 dollar stats being pimped out here on asfn ave - they're about winning and doing everything it takes to do so