Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[DaHilg]

By passer rating and QBR Kyler still sits well outside the top 6-8 quarterbacks in the league and in that 9-16 muddle. That's why it's a challenge to consider replacing him. It's pretty stunning that Kyler hasn't meaningfully improved since his rookie season, and in some critical ways maybe has gotten worse.

There are some QBs who don't really "get their teams to the playoffs" -- there are 2-3 every year. I'd point to Pittsburgh and Green Bay this past season, Cleveland, Philly, and Pittsburgh the year before. My POV has consistently been that you do everything you can to make the playoffs consistently -- sooner or later you're likely to break through. I think that Kyler can be a guy that doesn't put you out of the running to make the playoffs. I want to see a couple more chances before I decide he really is Kirk Cousins But Runs.

Actually a really good take… my question would be whose playoff roster last year in regards to supporting cast from top to bottom do you think AZ has been even close to?

 

[kerouac9]

Actually a really good take… my question would be whose playoff roster last year in regards to supporting cast from top to bottom do you think AZ has been even close to?

I'm not really gonna go position by position, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to think we can achieve the 16th ranked offense/8th ranked defense of Pittsburgh, 20th ranked offense/17th ranked defense of the Rams (they had a negative point differential! Not enough people are talking about this), or the 19th ranked offense/14th ranked defense of the Texans.

 

[DaHilg]

I'm not really gonna go position by position, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to think we can achieve the 16th ranked offense/8th ranked defense of Pittsburgh, 20th ranked offense/17th ranked defense of the Rams (they had a negative point differential! Not enough people are talking about this), or the 19th ranked offense/14th ranked defense of the Texans.

Ranked statistical typically doesn’t tell all the story.. point in proof; your boy Kyler. When statistically at the top, he’s discounted and rightly should have been this past season.

You can’t state with a straight face our defense was even half as good as the Steelers..and in reality our offense wasn’t better than Steelers. Maybe close to equal offensively. Top to bottle Steelers by a landslide side as that was a top 3 defense in the league beyond the statistics. It carried that team.

Rams - roster was better on both sides of the ball by at least 75%. McBride and Paris on offense.. hard to choose JC over Kyrien. Toss up maybe. Then defense same thing, at least 8 of their starters would replace 8 of our defensive starters.

 

[AZ Native]

By passer rating and QBR Kyler still sits well outside the top 6-8 quarterbacks in the league and in that 9-16 muddle. That's why it's a challenge to consider replacing him. It's pretty stunning that Kyler hasn't meaningfully improved since his rookie season, and in some critical ways maybe has gotten worse.

There are some QBs who don't really "get their teams to the playoffs" -- there are 2-3 every year. I'd point to Pittsburgh and Green Bay this past season, Cleveland, Philly, and Pittsburgh the year before. My POV has consistently been that you do everything you can to make the playoffs consistently -- sooner or later you're likely to break through. I think that Kyler can be a guy that doesn't put you out of the running to make the playoffs. I want to see a couple more chances before I decide he really is Kirk Cousins But Runs.

Muddle? Very keen observation.

 

[602 Native]

What the heck is all this sensible posting about moving off K1?

We need more short takes or he scrubbed his instagram takes.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

What the heck is all this sensible posting about moving off K1?

We need more short takes or he scrubbed his instagram takes.

Can you believe these guys? You can only truly judge a QB if he's played a dozen years.

 

[oaken1]

I'm pretty much out on kyler. But I been watching this league a long time...all it takes is for a team to get hot,...a group of guys to feel like they are a team of destiny or some crap...and you win a super bowl
But it's hard to see that happening with a qb that sucks sewer water in pressure games... I don't know if we can build up a team strong enough to carry him through whatever mental block he has

 

[BritCard]

What's the alternative? Kyler contract is a nightmare of rolling guarantees. Even if you cut him loose, there isn't a clear path to a QB that is Top 8 and not Top 12.

If doing so were easy, Derek Carr wouldn't still have a job.

The guarantees are of no consequence. I see in the recent replies on this thread that people think his new guarantees kicking in somehow lock him in.

But guarantees are traded with the player, only prorated signing bonuses stay with the team. So the G's don't make any difference.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Let’s take a turn on this thread since most people are unmovable on their position.

For the haters (probably myself in this group)- what does Kyler have to do for you to endorse him as our qb for 2026?

For the lovers (really want to hear from 602 and crimson)- what is the low bar for you to say it’s time to move on next draft?

Personally - if Kyler makes it to the playoffs and plays half decent in that playoff game (even if it’s ugly at times), I’ll roll with Kyler in 2026

 

[kerouac9]

The guarantees are of no consequence. I see in the recent replies on this thread that people think his new guarantees kicking in somehow lock him in.

But guarantees are traded with the player, only prorated signing bonuses stay with the team. So the G's don't make any difference.

Yes. The only option is trading him.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Let’s take a turn on this thread since most people are unmovable on their position.

For the haters (probably myself in this group)- what does Kyler have to do for you to endorse him as our qb for 2026?

For the lovers (really want to hear from 602 and crimson)- what is the low bar for you to say it’s time to move on next draft?

Personally - if Kyler makes it to the playoffs and plays half decent in that playoff game (even if it’s ugly at times), I’ll roll with Kyler in 2026

It would be pretty chilling if in 2025 Kyler does not perform a lot better in clutch situations, specifically in November and December. In games where the season is on the line.

It's not fair to lay more than maybe 10% of the blame for 2024's clutch-situation failures at the feet of his coaches or teammates.

I think there were plays K1 could have made (either running or throwing) at the end of the games against MIN, SEA (x2) and then CAR. But for whatever reason, he did not.

So, lighting an extra candle at my (very tasteful) Murray shrine and hoping for the best this year!