Yes, I do. Less than 7 shorter QBs have thrown an NFL pass than Russell Wilson have thrown a pass since the merger. It is a factor. I know you're going to just keep sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'I can't hear you,' but there isn't a conspiracy against poor unfortunate short QBs. Mayfield isn't tiny, and isn't a valid defense of your argument. Murray is historically short.
He is actually about 2" shorter than Mayfield and 1" shorter than Wilson. The fact that you think there is some magical number between 5'10" and 5'11" that make it so unlikely for Murray to succeed is just laughable to me.
You edited your post after I already replied. Yes, I think it matters. I think successful 6'0 QBs are extreme outliers, and I know that Kyler is even tinier. It really, really does matter.
You don't get it, and still don't get it. It's insanely frustrating.
Yes he is . But you cannot compare era’s. A short immobile qb would not have a chance in any era. The game has change Solar. You know that. As I mentioned in another thread take the time and pull up some tape on Mahomes. His mobility allows him to extend plays that totally negates height. Murray is quicker and just as accurate as Mahomes. Many plays it wouldn’t matter if Mahomes was 5’1” tall.
Exactly one dude? There has been more than one dude that has been successful while being short. The fact that you don't seem to acknowledge that is pretty frustrating. Wilson is 1" taller and makes a large percentage of his throws from the pocket, Brees 2" taller and is a pure pocket passer, Mayfield 2" taller and makes a high percentage of his throws from the pocket, Sonny Jurgenson 1" taller and was one of the better QBs from the 60s-70s, Theisman was 2" taller and was quite good in the early to mid 80s.
That's a scary combination, and Murray has his work cut out for him. IMHO, Murray is a little faster than RW. A little more shifty (i.e. a better runner). I think he also has a slightly better arm, and throws on the run a little better that Wilson. However, this part is just my opinion, and only based on my uneducated observations.
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Alright, good post. You have a much more reasonable approach than Solar7.
First bolded - Well that's the heart of the matter isn't BW52? You've hit the nail on the head so to speak. Here's what I think - 60% chance Murray is equal to RW, 15% chance Murray is better than RW, and 25% chance that Kyler is worse than RW. I hope you perceive that as reasonable, even if you disagree, and I'd like your breakdown as well please sir.
Second bolded - agree 100%, and its why its so rare that you see video-game-like performances on Sunday. The 11 defenders across the line from a pro QB are (for the most part) physically and mentally ultra-elite in terms of football skills. And they're not playing for a scholarship. They're playing for their livelihood. To feed their kids, and pay for their wife's bull*hit spending.
Third bolded - disagree that its "meaningless" sir. While Murray's success in college certainly, certainly doesn't guarantee success at the pro level, it still indicates that, if given the right opportunity, the right set of circumstances, he can function at an elite level as a QB. It's good to know it's at least possible that Murray can dominate a game. Not saying it's critical BW52, just saying it's not meaningless.
Fourth bolded - remember I said slightly more athletic and talented.
Fifth bolded - you're right, and I'll probably be disappointed when doesn't dominate DET like he did TCU. Trying to get myself ready for his first three-interception game. There is certainly one on the horizon.
Sixth bolded - We're just trying to be realistic BW52. Trying to set up a fair set of expectations by which to judge Murray's performance this year. It's true that I will probably be one of the last ones off the bandwagon if Murray crashes and burns, but I love the Cardinals more than I love any single player, and won't hesitate to say he should be benched if he deserves it.
Seventh bolded - I feel pretty bad for Rosen. But I'm glad he has another opportunity, and I wish him well (unless he's playing us).
Thanks, looks forward to hearing from you on the first bolded issue, and hope you and yours have a good memorial day weekend.
Being to 2 Super Bowls isn't any kind of barometer. If winning a SB makes a QB then we should expect the HOF induction of Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon at any moment? Truth is, neither time Seattle went to the Super Bowl was it done on Wilson's back.
