Levi v. Potter for LT -- Winston v. Massie for RT

[BACH]

I get that you think Potter isn't all that good, but I know Levi isn't all that good given his 3 years at LT for the Cards, by just watching the pressures & the sacks on TV...I'm sick & tired of hearing Pasch's radio call, "sacked, Levi Brown again (in his disgusted voice)". Serious as a heart attack!

With a comment like this, maybe you should watch game films? How many of those sacks were on Levi and how many was a result of the scheme/QB?

Whiz ran a short passing offense, where the blocking scheme is designed to close off inside, because the QB is supposed get the ball go quickly. What happened when Skelton, Lindley et al didn't get the ball off? And who looked like them didn't do their job?

I'm not saying that Levi is an all-pro LT, but the amount of criticism he gets on this board is ridiculous.

 

[Buckybird]

With a comment like this, maybe you should watch game films? How many of those sacks were on Levi and how many was a result of the scheme/QB?

Whiz ran a short passing offense, where the blocking scheme is designed to close off inside, because the QB is supposed get the ball go quickly. What happened when Skelton, Lindley et al didn't get the ball off? And who looked like them didn't do their job?

I'm not saying that Levi is an all-pro LT, but the amount of criticism he gets on this board is ridiculous.

It's never poor Levi's fault. Lol

I watch the games...and Levi gets beat 1 on 1, repeatedly. Keep going outside & cooking on your grill while the Cards offense is on the field.

 

[Totally_Red]

I get that you think Potter isn't all that good, but I know Levi isn't all that good given his 3 years at LT for the Cards, by just watching the pressures & the sacks on TV...I'm sick & tired of hearing Pasch's radio call, "sacked, Levi Brown again (in his disgusted voice)". Serious as a heart attack!

Lets just say that the Cards need a legit pass blocking LT thru the draft next year to make this offense make the next step!

Btw I like watching you & a few others break down to all 22 film! Keep up the good work

Yup! I personally don't think the LTOTF is on the current roster. There's a reason three of them went in the first four picks this year.

Outside of quarterback, left tackle may be the most important position on a football team. I'm sure Chopper will disagree.

I believe the other three teams in the division have their franchise left tackles in place [if Long stays healthy]. The Cardinals do not.

 

[Stout]

That's why I don't want to take your analysis and word for it, K9. If you just wanted to try to deconstruct Potter's play, fine. You don't stop there, though, but go and cherry pick one good game by the human frickin' turnstile to 'show him' as a solid player in contrast.

No. Bad K9! You know Levi's garbage in pass pro. You know this, so why would you go and just pick out the wee tiny gem and ignore the pile of detritus? Biased much?

 

[Mulli]

That's why I don't want to take your analysis and word for it, K9. If you just wanted to try to deconstruct Potter's play, fine. You don't stop there, though, but go and cherry pick one good game by the human frickin' turnstile to 'show him' as a solid player in contrast.

No. Bad K9! You know Levi's garbage in pass pro. You know this, so why would you go and just pick out the wee tiny gem and ignore the pile of detritus? Biased much?

K9, thanks for breaking down Nate Potter's wonderful "end of the season performance" nonsense. Great work!

NOTE: Oops, sorry I quoted you, Stouty Stoutertons.

 

[GuernseyCard]

That's why I don't want to take your analysis and word for it, K9. If you just wanted to try to deconstruct Potter's play, fine. You don't stop there, though, but go and cherry pick one good game by the human frickin' turnstile to 'show him' as a solid player in contrast.

No. Bad K9! You know Levi's garbage in pass pro. You know this, so why would you go and just pick out the wee tiny gem and ignore the pile of detritus? Biased much?

The Levi example is a snapshot of his solid play in the last half of 2011.

The most recent, thus, the most relevant info we have going into 2013.

Will he revert to the Levi of old that you and others keep bringing up?

We don't and can't know at this point.

 

[kerouac9]

That's why I don't want to take your analysis and word for it, K9. If you just wanted to try to deconstruct Potter's play, fine. You don't stop there, though, but go and cherry pick one good game by the human frickin' turnstile to 'show him' as a solid player in contrast.

No. Bad K9! You know Levi's garbage in pass pro. You know this, so why would you go and just pick out the wee tiny gem and ignore the pile of detritus? Biased much?

Sigh. If no amount of analysis is going to convince you, do your own. If you can't be convinced the Levi Brown might be a better option right now than Nate Potter, there's very little I can do about that.

Here's a sequence from the Bengals game last season that illustrates what Levi Brown can do that Nate Potter hasn't shown the ability to:

It's a passing situation, and Levi Brown knows that he's got help to the outside from Beanie Wells. At the snap Levi takes an inside set because he knows there's help coming from the outside. Turns out that he doesn't need the help, and Beanie looks for other targets to pick up. Levi stones his man on his initial pass rush, and then just pushes him back out the play using sheer physical strength.

John Skelton safely delivers the ball into the hands of a waiting Bengals defensive back.

 

[kerouac9]

Here's one of those groan-inducing Levi Brown sacks, but he may have made the right play.

The situation is 3rd and 5 in the first quarter. The Bengals show an a-gap blitz from the inside linebackers. Levi has a man shaded on his inside shoulder, and that's his primary responsibility, as Colledge has to pick up the inside blitzer (protections usually go inside-out).

Levi engages his man and leaves the outside end unblocked. It's Skelton's responsibility to read the coverage (both ILBs drop off) and deliver the ball to the outside. Instead, Skelton is keying in on the receiver on the right.

Levi ends up off-balance and still reaches out push the defensive end out of the play. There's a clear pocket for Skelton to step up into, but he's still staring down his first read.

Skelton fails to step up and ends up getting sandwiched between Charles Johnson and another defensive end.

This looks like a play where Levi just failed to make the correct assignment, but this is a team miss.

 

[kerouac9]

Watching the Bengals game, the 2011 Arizona Cardinals were running the Read Option before it was cool.

 

[kerouac9]

The Cards got beat by that same double-a-gap blitz look in the third quarter. Jailbreak blitz.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Peppers had 3 sacks. Vs. Potter?

And ? So ?

Patrick Kearney built a little house in our backfield behind Levi Brown's arse.

What is your point ?

 

[kerouac9]

And ? So ?

Patrick Kearney built a little house in our backfield behind Levi Brown's arse.

What is your point ?

The point that I'd like to make is that you're going all the way back to a Week 2 game in 2010 to complain about.

 

[Mulli]

And ? So ?

Patrick Kearney built a little house in our backfield behind Levi Brown's arse.

What is your point ?

Really? You want me to go back to posts over a week period for context?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

That my friend is a long, long time to stare at a broken record.

Agreed.

 

[Mulli]

Here is a point: both Levi Brown and Nate Potter are not good.

 

[GuernseyCard]

And ? So ?

Patrick Kearney built a little house in our backfield behind Levi Brown's arse.

What is your point ?

???

Didn't Kearney line up over the right tackle?

 

[Mulli]

Kerney.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KernPa99.htm

 

[kerouac9]

Kerney.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KernPa99.htm

LOL. Kearney hasn't played football since 2009.

Hold a grudge much, Rugby?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I'm not saying that Levi is an all-pro LT, but the amount of criticism he gets on this board is ridiculous.

About as ridiculous as this comment. He not an All-pro, but he IS almost a non-pro.

So a player who is rated as the worst at his position for his last 3 years active is getting too much criticism ?

A guy that is currently fighting for a starting position with a 2nd year, 7th round pick.

A player that egregiously screws up on a consistent basis.

He is getting too much flack ?

Sorry, not going to buy that.

Levi Brown is a 5th overall pick with 6 years in the league. He is currently in competition at this stage in his career because a rookie came in last year, and played well enough to make Levi Brown earn it.

The situation is what it is, and what it is, is piss poor.

Or maybe I should ask it this way, what has Levi Brown accomplished to deserve the confidence of the fans ?

Being the worst at his position ? I don't think that is going to cut it.

His criticism is well deserved, and well earned.

I will wait for his actions to prove his worth, and not hype talked up by a head coach trying to sell tickets, or fans that are hoping that talk will make a player magically better than he has shown to be in the past.

I give this 2 weeks before Levi Brown shows how deserving he is of the criticism he gets.

As for Nate Potter ? He is a 7th round pick in his 2nd year in the league. The fact he is even competing for a spot at this point and time is kudos to him, and a damnation of Levi Brown the way I see it.

I thank K9 for the breakdown, but telling me Levi Brown can do things Nate Potter cannot is not really making me see Levi Brown in any better of a light. Again, a 6th year pro, drafted 5 overall should be, and should be expected to do, more than a 2nd year 7th round pick. That is nothing to gives kudos for.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

LOL. Kearney hasn't played football since 2009.

Hold a grudge much, Rugby?

You want to bring up situations where our OT's get dominated by defensive players then it should be all on the table.

Nate Potter gives up 3 sacks as a rookie to Julius Peppers

Levi Brown gives up a boat load of sacks to Patrick Kearney in his 2nd year.

It is a fair comparison, IMO.

And yes, I hold grudges for VERY long periods of time.

But, for Levi Brown I don't have to hold it very long, he gives fresh reasons every week Cardinal football is played.

I mean so far K9 you have convince me:

1. Levi Brown is now one of the better OT's in the league because the overall talent at OT in the league has drastically fallen off.

2. He is better than a 2nd year, 7th round player.

Oh Boy Howdy! How could I ever question the guy's ability !

 

[Mulli]

Hey, Rubgy, feel free to look for a post any post where I expressed confidence in Levi Brown.

 

[Mulli]

Hey, Rubgy, feel free to look for a post any post where I expressed confidence in Levi Brown.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Here is a point: both Levi Brown and Nate Potter are not good.

Agreed.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hey, Rubgy, feel free to look for a post any post where I expressed confidence in Levi Brown.

You can say that again.

You didn't, and I would not expect you too.

But, who cares if Nate Potter let up 3 sacks versus Julius Peppers, Levi Brown has given up multiple sacks to the same guy.

I am just saying, lets not go nuts here.

Nate Potter is given a chance to compete with Levi Brown. Sorry, that IS NOT a compliment to Levi Brown.

Cause throw the stats and what not out the window, with Nate Potter in last year, I didn't notice a difference between Brown and Potter. So, if Brown is better, it is by a slight margin that stats, and in depth analysis is going to prove. Which has been done.

 

[Mulli]

You can say that again.

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