Miller once again does it again!

[GatorAZ]

I don't know if he misspoke and means 2016 not 2017 or not. But remember, the FBI got involved in this in 2014, they've been wiretapping Dawkins for quite awhile, both after he got fired by ASM, and also before when he worked for ASM(and another agency which is part of why he got fired).

It's entirely possible Schlabach screwed up there, or maybe they promised Ayton money to sign, he signed, and they were talking about the logistics of when they were going to pay him?

Jalen Rose made that point after Augustine got charges dropped he said people doing this are intentionally using middlemen and 3rd parties and they often promise a kid money that he doesn't get until a later date. It's entirely possible the reason they are so sure Ayton hasn't got paid is he hasn't, yet.

Maybe he did misspeak but that’s seems like a big slip given the magnitude of the story. Gershon and Daniels gave their timeline of the Ayton recruitment with Schlabach’s story and say something is off. Once the shock of the story wears off I think it could get interesting.

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[Russ Smith]

Maybe he did misspeak but that’s seems like a big slip given the magnitude of the story. Gershon and Daniels gave their timeline of the Ayton recruitment with Schlabach’s story and say something is off. Once the shock of the story wears off I think it could get interesting.

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I haven't seen the Josh and Evan stuff is there a link or is it posted on a UA site?

Both Josh and Evan have posted on BRO in the past that it's quite common for kids to get paid through 3rd parties where the arrangment is such that they don't get paid until later.


There's so much detail in this that even the FBI has gotten some things wrong. Remember the initial report everyone assumed included Charles O'Bannon JR until it came out ESPN had gotten the age wrong and the kid was a rising HS senior not an incoming freshman(It was Taeshon Cherry not COB JR).

So they HAVE made mistakes. So maybe Schlabach got the date wrong himself, maybe it's wrong from whoever his source is, who knows.

It will be interesting but again if that tape is real, Sean Miller is done. If it's not real, Schlabach is in big trouble and ESPN is going to kill my Disney stock.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Maybe he did misspeak but that’s seems like a big slip given the magnitude of the story. Gershon and Daniels gave their timeline of the Ayton recruitment with Schlabach’s story and say something is off. Once the shock of the story wears off I think it could get interesting.

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This gets more interesting by the minute.

 

[TJ]

Scheer has been throwing stuff against the wall since the first story broke hoping something sticks.

read the actual story, ESPN never said they heard the tapes or listened to transcripts.

"FBI wiretaps intercepted telephone conversations between Arizona coach Sean Miller and Christian Dawkins, a key figure in the FBI's investigation into college basketball corruption, in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats, sources familiar with the government's evidence told ESPN.

According to people with knowledge of the FBI investigation, Miller and Dawkins, a runner working for ASM Sports agent Andy Miller, had multiple conversations about Ayton. When Dawkins asked Sean Miller if he should work with assistant coach Emanuel "Book" Richardson to finalize their agreement, Miller told Dawkins he should deal directly with him when it came to money, the sources said."


Where in there does it say ESPN heard the tapes or read the transcripts? They very clearly said sources familiar with the evidence told them what's in it. That's why when you guys started saying Miller should sue them and demand the tape it made no sense, ESPN never said they had the tape.

But great find by Scheer, his sources did a great job of proving ESPN hadn't done something ESPN never claimed they'd done.

You listed the problem: Mark didn’t hear the taps or didn’t get a transcript. He got third-hand information from someone who’s not with the FBI. It’s a single-sourced article with a lot of question marks attached to it. Timelines are off, intent is off, among other discrepancies. Again, he could be right, but if he’s wrong, he’s in trouble. If I’m a journalist, I’m not putting that article out unless I’m sure I have all of my
Ducks in a row.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This would be the all time sports journalistic screw up if ESPN got this wrong.

Definitely an interesting story to watch. Has there been anyone but AZ media questioning this so far or are they just playing the role of Fox News state run media at this point?

 

[Cheesebeef]

You listed the problem: Mark didn’t hear the taps or didn’t get a transcript. He got third-hand information from someone who’s not with the FBI. It’s a single-sourced article with a lot of question marks attached to it. Timelines are off, intent is off, among other discrepancies. Again, he could be right, but if he’s wrong, he’s in trouble. If I’m a journalist, I’m not putting that article out unless I’m sure I have all of my
Ducks in a row.

Not an article as incendiary as this one, that’s for sure.

If this is wrong, the reporters head is the lowest of the bunch to roll. This kind of thing could and SHOULD destroy a newsroom if it’s wrong.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not an article as incendiary as this one, that’s for sure.

If this is wrong, the reporters head is the lowest of the bunch to roll. This kind of thing could and SHOULD destroy a newsroom if it’s wrong.

And that’s why I don’t find myself questioning it. Those types of gaffs do happen, but they are so rare due to the potential ramifications, that the presumption should be they gotnit right.

 

[Russ Smith]

You listed the problem: Mark didn’t hear the taps or didn’t get a transcript. He got third-hand information from someone who’s not with the FBI. It’s a single-sourced article with a lot of question marks attached to it. Timelines are off, intent is off, among other discrepancies. Again, he could be right, but if he’s wrong, he’s in trouble. If I’m a journalist, I’m not putting that article out unless I’m sure I have all of my
Ducks in a row.

I get that the problem is Scheer is starting with the assumption Miller is clean and working backwards so he's jumping all over something that ESPN never said, they didn't hear the tapes. They never said they did. It's not first hand yes, but Scheer blasting him for using sources in a story where he claims sources tell him Arizona may challenge the story is incredibly ironic. yes the ESPN story is MUCH bigger, but ESPN is also a far more serious and credible news source than Jason Scheer. you don't see ESPN people on other people's Twitter baiting them.

The FBI is not giving information to ESPN on an active case, so if the standard is it has to come from the FBI, you're not going to be happy.

If you look at Schlabachs twitter feed about 20 minutes ago he explained taht the lawyer for Arizona, teh one Scheer is citing over and over as some expert, admitted to ESPN

Outside counsel Paul Kelly said law firms working for Arizona don't have access to FBI wiretaps & haven't been told what's in them. "Those items are subject to a court-imposed protective order, and only the charged defendants have access to those materials," Kelly told ESPN.

This is the lawyer who told ESPN that their story is entirely wrong that Ayton didn't get paid(ESPN never said he did they said it was discussed on tape), and that this lawyer has a deep understanding of this sort of stuff and he never once admitted that he hasn't seen or heard any of the information on these alleged wiretaps himself. Ayton and his family haven't either because they are not charged defendants.

So Scheer is disputing information in part based on a lawyer who it turns out has no actual idea himself what's in the wiretaps.

 

[TJ]

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[TJ]

I get that the problem is Scheer is starting with the assumption Miller is clean and working backwards so he's jumping all over something that ESPN never said, they didn't hear the tapes. They never said they did. It's not first hand yes, but Scheer blasting him for using sources in a story where he claims sources tell him Arizona may challenge the story is incredibly ironic. yes the ESPN story is MUCH bigger, but ESPN is also a far more serious and credible news source than Jason Scheer. you don't see ESPN people on other people's Twitter baiting them.

The FBI is not giving information to ESPN on an active case, so if the standard is it has to come from the FBI, you're not going to be happy.

If you look at Schlabachs twitter feed about 20 minutes ago he explained taht the lawyer for Arizona, teh one Scheer is citing over and over as some expert, admitted to ESPN

Outside counsel Paul Kelly said law firms working for Arizona don't have access to FBI wiretaps & haven't been told what's in them. "Those items are subject to a court-imposed protective order, and only the charged defendants have access to those materials," Kelly told ESPN.

This is the lawyer who told ESPN that their story is entirely wrong that Ayton didn't get paid(ESPN never said he did they said it was discussed on tape), and that this lawyer has a deep understanding of this sort of stuff and he never once admitted that he hasn't seen or heard any of the information on these alleged wiretaps himself. Ayton and his family haven't either because they are not charged defendants.

So Scheer is disputing information in part based on a lawyer who it turns out has no actual idea himself what's in the wiretaps.

The standard is, “listen to the tapes.” If this were some small school like Grambling State, you might be able to be wrong and be ok. But you go after big-time programs knowing you could cause a seismic shift, you have to be more careful.

 

[Russ Smith]

The standard is, “listen to the tapes.” If this were some small school like Grambling State, you might be able to be wrong and be ok. But you go after big-time programs knowing you could cause a seismic shift, you have to be more careful.

That's because you think the case is going to take years and by the time that stuff becomes public nobody will care if Miller did this with Ayton 2-3 years ago. Earlier you were complaining the FBI was leaking stuff because the story was coming apart, now you only want information to come from the FBI.

Someone, some source, gave information to ESPN because they wanted it public, that it's not first hand does not mean it's not credible. if it's not they'll crucify ESPN for it and I'll admit I was wrong, if it's right, I kind of doubt Jason Scheer is going to apologize to Schlabach for the stuff he said about him on Twitter.

And as you have now seen yourself, he's citing a lawyer who just admitted he himself hasn't seen or heard any of the information he's disputing is true, and neither has ayton, or probably Miller unless he's been charged. The only one affiliated with Arizona who has possibly heard that wiretap, is Book, and he got fired already.

 

[Raindog]

ESPN issued a correction for the dates in the story. And BTW, why is anyone giving any credibility to anything Jason Scheer has to say? Did he actually get to hear the tapes that Schlabach didn't? Does he have a source that did? The answers of course are "no" and "nope." His thesis is operating on ten times more speculation than Schlabach's sourced story.

When it comes down to it, Jason Scheer is just another superfan who spends his days scouring web forums and social media for rumors and "scoops" to post on his fan blog. He has zero credentials as a journalist, just about as much as anyone posting on your average web forum.

And it's funny to read some of the (other) fan forums... apparently the prevailing theory is that ESPN, the NCAA, and the FBI all got together and concocted a scheme to take out Sean Miller, the UA basketball program, and probably every other UA athletic program, too, just because they all are jealous of Miller and UA, or whatever in these pinheads' imaginations. The PED ban on Trier is apparently part of the plan, too... and possibly the lawsuit against the football team, just for extra good measure. And the basis of proof of this grand scheme? Because Sean Miller denies the story and insists he will be cleared. Kind of like when Nixon declared he was not a crook, we all should have recognized Watergate was just a big frame-up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

ESPN issued a correction for the dates in the story. And BTW, why is anyone giving any credibility to anything Jason Scheer has to say? Did he actually get to hear the tapes that Schlabach didn't? Does he have a source that did? The answers of course are "no" and "nope." His thesis is operating on ten times more speculation than Schlabach's sourced story.

When it comes down to it, Jason Scheer is just another superfan who spends his days scouring web forums and social media for rumors and "scoops" to post on his fan blog. He has zero credentials as a journalist, just about as much as anyone posting on your average web forum.

And it's funny to read some of the (other) fan forums... apparently the prevailing theory is that ESPN, the NCAA, and the FBI all got together and concocted a scheme to take out Sean Miller, the UA basketball program, and probably every other UA athletic program, too, just because they all are jealous of Miller and UA, or whatever in these pinheads' imaginations. The PED ban on Trier is apparently part of the plan, too... and possibly the lawsuit against the football team, just for extra good measure. And the basis of proof of this grand scheme? Because Sean Miller denies the story and insists he will be cleared. Kind of like when Nixon declared he was not a crook, we all should have recognized Watergate was just a big frame-up.

or when Trump says "There's no collusion! There's no collusion!!!" 17 times in one weekend... when no one asked about it.

Jumping on Jason's jock seems akin to Trump fans clinging to Hannity for dear life when he claims he's got a story that's "bigger than Watergate!!!"

And note... I think someone said I was calling some of the more... enthusiastic fans of the team Trump fans. I was referring to people's behavior being the same when they either love something so much they can't see the truth... or they've taken such an audacious position, while slamming others, that it's seemingly impossible to admit the truth because of the stances previously taken. For anyone objective who's read the politics board and this thread, the similarities between arguments some make here and the arguments Dude used to make on that board were sometimes almost literally... word for word.

 

[Raindog]

The standard of belief systems these days seems to be make up your own subjective reality and if you are stubborn enough in your conviction, no matter what objective reality otherwise says, you can reshape the "truth" to suit you and the rest of the world must just go along with it. That has increasingly become the norm in so many realms of public consciousness - politics, social convention, mass media, and even diversions like spectator sports. After all, we even have brilliant public figures now challenging the "belief" that the world is round.

I am not saying it is impossible that ESPN may have bungled or exaggerated details of the story, or that everything they report is absolutely rock solidly above any scrutiny.

But to assume ESPN is making things up out of thin air just to persecute Sean Miller is silly. Although not as silly as the conviction that his long time assistant coach just suddenly started paying off players of his own volition, without Miller having any awareness or part in it, now or in the past.

Or even more laughably, that Miller was only involved in the plot because he was playing Donnie Brasco to help catch Richardson and expose all of the corruption in college sports... and now has to be tight-lipped about it because he is still in deep cover and doesn't want to imperil the investigation. Geez, talk about eyerolling Alex Jones type garbage.

 

[GatorAZ]

or when Trump says "There's no collusion! There's no collusion!!!" 17 times in one weekend... when no one asked about it.

Jumping on Jason's jock seems akin to Trump fans clinging to Hannity for dear life when he claims he's got a story that's "bigger than Watergate!!!"

And note... I think someone said I was calling some of the more... enthusiastic fans of the team Trump fans. I was referring to people's behavior being the same when they either love something so much they can't see the truth... or they've taken such an audacious position, while slamming others, that it's seemingly impossible to admit the truth because of the stances previously taken. For anyone objective who's read the politics board and this thread, the similarities between arguments some make here and the arguments Dude used to make on that board were sometimes almost literally... word for word.

ESPN admitted an error in their timeline based on people with Twitter using common sense. They’ve also gone from a specific month in 2017 to a “season” of 2016. Nobody is calling Schlabach a liar but is he getting accurate info from his source? Right now this is looking unprofessional.

 

[Russ Smith]

ESPN issued a correction for the dates in the story. And BTW, why is anyone giving any credibility to anything Jason Scheer has to say? Did he actually get to hear the tapes that Schlabach didn't? Does he have a source that did? The answers of course are "no" and "nope." His thesis is operating on ten times more speculation than Schlabach's sourced story.

When it comes down to it, Jason Scheer is just another superfan who spends his days scouring web forums and social media for rumors and "scoops" to post on his fan blog. He has zero credentials as a journalist, just about as much as anyone posting on your average web forum.

And it's funny to read some of the (other) fan forums... apparently the prevailing theory is that ESPN, the NCAA, and the FBI all got together and concocted a scheme to take out Sean Miller, the UA basketball program, and probably every other UA athletic program, too, just because they all are jealous of Miller and UA, or whatever in these pinheads' imaginations. The PED ban on Trier is apparently part of the plan, too... and possibly the lawsuit against the football team, just for extra good measure. And the basis of proof of this grand scheme? Because Sean Miller denies the story and insists he will be cleared. Kind of like when Nixon declared he was not a crook, we all should have recognized Watergate was just a big frame-up.

I have to admit when I saw the story first on ESPN, I didn't believe it, and I waited about 2 hours waiting for a correction before I posted anything here, or on any UCLA site. I assumed the source or the writer had confused Andy Miller the agent, with Sean Miller the coach, just no way a head coach would be that dumb.

But the story didn't go away. CBS has an interesting podcast where a couple of guys discuss it, they said the notion that Arizona paid to get Ayton doesn't surprise anybody, we're not naive, but the odd thing is nobody in the business gets why Dawkins would have been involved. he's not the guy you would expect to be involved in a scheme to get Ayton. My guess is if its true, his involvement was purely as a middle man to get money, not as the guy brokering the actual deal.

 

[Southpaw]

@MaoTosiFanClub

The NCAA won’t have a choice but to dish out extremely hard penalties. The pressure on them to do so is/will be massive and from all angles.

There is NO, as in Zero chance Miller and Ayton step foot on the court today in Eugene. The University would pay a toll in terms of it’s already ruined brand and reputation that would magnify the entire situation! Miller and Ayton need to be, and will be, dismissed at some point in the day today...
And regarding your inclusion if ASU, do you have any facts to support your claim?

If they do not, it might indicate that the University Prez corp has told them to back off. The Universities control the "impartial" NCAA.

 

[Russ Smith]

ESPN admitted an error in their timeline based on people with Twitter using common sense. They’ve also gone from a specific month in 2017 to a “season” of 2016. Nobody is calling Schlabach a liar but is he getting accurate info from his source? Right now this is looking unprofessional.

That's true if you make a mistake in a huge story like that it looks bad. But clearly Scheer is grasping at straws, and why shouldn't he his entire job depends on the U of A basketball, if Miller craters the program it probably lowers subscriptions at his site.

one of the many they're out to get Arizona theories he's floated is that Miller and Dawkins were actually discussing the NBA draft, Miller was saying if you want to represent Ayton in the NBA you're going to have to pay 100K. So the timeline being wrong, which we know it wasn't, makes more sense, and somehow he convinced UA fans that wasn't a violation if no money changed hands.

So he's saying a head coach can talk about selling his player to an agent for 100K but because no money changed hands the coach didn't violate any rules, and the coach is fine.

First off Dawkins is NOT really an agent, he's a runner. ASM fired him but Andy Miller continued to bankroll him ,he wants to become an agent but is nowhere near a licensed agaen. if theywere trying to get him to be Ayton's agent, it wasn't goign to happen, clearly he could have been recruiting him for Andy Miller, but that's different than the theory Scheer laid out. It's still not allowed for players to discuss hiring a specific agent in a future deal, that's explicitly against amateurism rules wtih the NCAA. But maybe Ayton wasn't involved just Sean Miler, again it's against NCAA rules for a coach to pimp out a player to an agent, that's one of the biggest issues with Book, and apparently Pasternack they both tried to use players(Alkins and Lauri) to get in a good spot with Dawkins and others trying to buy Brian Bowen per the Yahoo report. Coaches can't do that with their players.

 

[TJ]

@MaoTosiFanClub

The NCAA won’t have a choice but to dish out extremely hard penalties. The pressure on them to do so is/will be massive and from all angles.

Revisiting this, as obviously Ayton was able to take the court Saturday. Clearly, at the moment, there's not enough solid evidence that he received money. With Bridges, Carter et al, you have spreadsheets. With Ayton, you have single-sourced report that's based on someone who heard something on the taps, allegedly. Obviously, the gravity of receiving $100,000 weighs hard in the minds of readers, but as it stands, there's more physical proof available to show that others received money than Ayton.

As for the NCAA, they don't have to levy harsh penalties, and they should tread lightly in this situation. The NCAA really F'd itself when it went weak on Penn State and the Sandusky scandal, which is by far the most disgusting story in college sports. If you try and levy significant penalties lasting 2 or more years, you better have justification beyond what happened in the Penn State showers to do so. Furthermore, the UofA doesn't have a long list of major NCAA infractions, so there's that to consider. I think what Mao said is pretty accurate with a two season ban from the post season and a couple of scholarships taken away, and Miller will undoubtedly lose his job.

 

[TJ]

ESPN issued a correction for the dates in the story. And BTW, why is anyone giving any credibility to anything Jason Scheer has to say? Did he actually get to hear the tapes that Schlabach didn't? Does he have a source that did? The answers of course are "no" and "nope." His thesis is operating on ten times more speculation than Schlabach's sourced story.

When it comes down to it, Jason Scheer is just another superfan who spends his days scouring web forums and social media for rumors and "scoops" to post on his fan blog. He has zero credentials as a journalist, just about as much as anyone posting on your average web forum.

And it's funny to read some of the (other) fan forums... apparently the prevailing theory is that ESPN, the NCAA, and the FBI all got together and concocted a scheme to take out Sean Miller, the UA basketball program, and probably every other UA athletic program, too, just because they all are jealous of Miller and UA, or whatever in these pinheads' imaginations. The PED ban on Trier is apparently part of the plan, too... and possibly the lawsuit against the football team, just for extra good measure. And the basis of proof of this grand scheme? Because Sean Miller denies the story and insists he will be cleared. Kind of like when Nixon declared he was not a crook, we all should have recognized Watergate was just a big frame-up.

Say what you want about Scheer, but the dude was the first to look into the story in greater detail rather than lying down defeated. He found many of the discrepancies in Schlabach's story, which likely prompted the corrections.

I agree that there are some silly conspiracy theories out there promoted by Arizona fans, such as the one you described, and some silly recommendations (I heard one that said the City of Tucson should sue). I've largely ignored them to focus on the facts.

Bottom line is it may be proven that Miller did engage in pay-for-players, but it's not fair to nail him to the cross using an article like this. If this were something reported by multiple sources and/or the writer listened to the wiretap, and there were not a handful of corrections, then yeah, it has more credibility. Also, guys like Gottlieb, Daniels, and Snow are seeing many of the discrepancies, so it's not just Arizona fans who are critical of the Schlabach report.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Revisiting this, as obviously Ayton was able to take the court Saturday. Clearly, at the moment, there's not enough solid evidence that he received money. With Bridges, Carter et al, you have spreadsheets. With Ayton, you have single-sourced report that's based on someone who heard something on the taps, allegedly. Obviously, the gravity of receiving $100,000 weighs hard in the minds of readers, but as it stands, there's more physical proof available to show that others received money than Ayton.

As for the NCAA, they don't have to levy harsh penalties, and they should tread lightly in this situation. The NCAA really F'd itself when it went weak on Penn State and the Sandusky scandal, which is by far the most disgusting story in college sports. If you try and levy significant penalties lasting 2 or more years, you better have justification beyond what happened in the Penn State showers to do so. Furthermore, the UofA doesn't have a long list of major NCAA infractions, so there's that to consider. I think what Mao said is pretty accurate with a two season ban from the post season and a couple of scholarships taken away, and Miller will undoubtedly lose his job.

At present, with so little of the actual facts to work with, it does appear that there is a chance Ayton never saw a dime of the money...
However, it also seems that Miller is simply the tip of the iceburg. There very well could be a large number of other prominent coaches and schools that ultimately get wrapped up into this matter. Schlabach stated as much. He also stated that it could take many more months for this all to get fully exposed and made public. I have no idea what that means for Miller and UofA... however, when it all does come to the light of day, I remain convinced that the NCAA won't have any other choice but to go HARD on ALL offenders. I also believe that we will ultimately see some type of change with respect to college basketball and perhaps college sports overall. One & Done? Giving college athletes some type of living stipend since they can't work while attending college?
And, the NCAA hurt itself with the Penn St. mess...

 

[GatorAZ]

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[SO91]

Scheer has been throwing stuff against the wall since the first story broke hoping something sticks.

read the actual story, ESPN never said they heard the tapes or listened to transcripts.

"FBI wiretaps intercepted telephone conversations between Arizona coach Sean Miller and Christian Dawkins, a key figure in the FBI's investigation into college basketball corruption, in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats, sources familiar with the government's evidence told ESPN.

According to people with knowledge of the FBI investigation, Miller and Dawkins, a runner working for ASM Sports agent Andy Miller, had multiple conversations about Ayton. When Dawkins asked Sean Miller if he should work with assistant coach Emanuel "Book" Richardson to finalize their agreement, Miller told Dawkins he should deal directly with him when it came to money, the sources said."


Where in there does it say ESPN heard the tapes or read the transcripts? They very clearly said sources familiar with the evidence told them what's in it. That's why when you guys started saying Miller should sue them and demand the tape it made no sense, ESPN never said they had the tape.

But great find by Scheer, his sources did a great job of proving ESPN hadn't done something ESPN never claimed they'd done.

Familiar with the government's evidence means it's an attorney for one of the defendants arrested by the FBI when the story broke, right? Otherwise they would have said "investigation" instead of just "evidence." As far as I know, Schlabach doesn't have the reputation of being a hack, so I'd like to believe he vetted the attorney (my assumption) that leaked this. If they had Miller on tape doing what is accused, isn't he guilty of a crime right then and there? Doesn't matter if Ayton or his family saw any of that money, the FBI would have had him and arrested him when they got assistant coaches, no? That's certainly a much more high profile name than Book.

 

[Raindog]

Well, the other possibility that seems to not be mentioned or occurring to anyone is that Miller may have been snagged but is cooperating with the FBI investigation in exchange for not being prosecuted himself... a very common practice in these kind of large scale stings. That would explain how he may have turned up on the wiretap, but hasn't been arrested and is (along with the university) playing the whole thing close to the vest since.

And while that would preserve him from criminal prosecution, it doesn't ultimately mean good things for his future as a college coach, nor the program's fortunes under an NCAA investigation.

Again, not saying it is likely... just a possible speculation, like everyone else seems to be making.

 

[TJ]

Well, the other possibility that seems to not be mentioned or occurring to anyone is that Miller may have been snagged but is cooperating with the FBI investigation in exchange for not being prosecuted himself... a very common practice in these kind of large scale stings. That would explain how he may have turned up on the wiretap, but hasn't been arrested and is (along with the university) playing the whole thing close to the vest since.

And while that would preserve him from criminal prosecution, it doesn't ultimately mean good things for his future as a college coach, nor the program's fortunes under an NCAA investigation.

Again, not saying it is likely... just a possible speculation, like everyone else seems to be making.

Possible, but a stretch. What gives this theory credence is that the recent statement from outside legal counsel regarding Ayton is that he had been engaged with them and the FBI for six months, which, if accurate, would put the timeline before the complaint surfaced. If Miller is cooperating, I don't think that information can come from him directly.