Murray may not run at Pro Day Today (3/13)

[Zeno]

The man said Kyler has been as dominant as a college QB has ever seen lmao Good Lord

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[DVontel]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Tarik Cohen 181 pounds
Chris Johnson 195 pounds
Dion Lewis 195 pounds
Darren Sproles 190 pounds
Ronnie Hillman 195 pounds
Chris Thompson 193 pounds
Lance Dunbar 195 Pounds
Taiwan Jones 195 pounds
Dexter McCluster 170 Pounds
Kendall Hunter 199 Pounds
Kenjon Barner 195 pounds
Jamal Charles 199 Pounds

Do I need to go on?

Lol. All but Charles are 3rd down or receiving specialists. You just friendly fired yourself.

 

[scandalous_b]

The Murray hate in here is ridiculous. Yet you could do research on what was said about Mahomes and Watson before the draft and it would be about the same: question marks and hate. Doubters everywhere.

Yeah - Mahomes & Watson did face a lot of criticism, skepticism, and hate during their draft process. They also got drafted at #10 and #12, respectively. Not at #1 overall. Usually players that are extremely risky and hard to project do not go #1 overall.

But! Murray can ball. He is very accurate and has a good arm. His placement, touch and anticipation are great. He can make people miss in space easily. All these facts can't be questioned and therefore it's ridiculous to not talk Murray when we talk the 1st overall pick.

I don't think that it's ridiculous for him to be in the conversation in a vacuum. I do however think it would be absolutely ridiculous to actually draft him at #1 overall over Nick Bosa - especially when you already have Josh Rosen.

If they do take Kyler Murray at #1 overall because of Kliff's endorsement - I will be beyond pissed. It's hard to even put into words how dumb it they would have to be to do that. If Kliff can't (or doesn't want to) make it work with Rosen, then he should have never been hired. You don't build your team under the guidance of a first-time NFL coach who has zero experience in NFL talent evaluation.

 

[WaywardFan]

He actually did run today. Here's the video:

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[scandalous_b]

Finally some sense in here.

I'm not even a fan of ditching Rosen and drafting Murray at #1, leaving Bosa to the 9ers. However, Murray passes the eye test, great athlete, accurate passer. If KK wants to work with him rather than Rosen, so be it.

Do you seriously not realize how crazy that is? That thought process is absolutely insane.

Kliff has never coached a day in the NFL. He has zero experience with NFL talent evaluation. If Keim is giving him any sort of power in this decision, he should be fired immediately.

You don't trade up into the top 10 for a QB, and then give up on him one year later, just because your rookie NFL head coach thinks this other guy is a better fit for his offense.

If Kliff thinks he should have strong influence on this decision - he's stupid.
If Keim let's Kliff have strong influence on the decision - he's stupid.
If Bidwill allows Keim to keep his job after all of that - he's stupid.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

When a guy shoots up the draft boards post-combine instead of during the season, it's cause for hesitation. When a guy does it without doing any drills and merely taking measurements; measurements which put him as inferior to everyone else at his position; and still shoots up the boards: Buyer beware. This guy is the definition of a hype train right now.

I’ve seen some of the worst arguments this board has ever seen on both sides of the Murray scenario but this is hands down the worst and most ignorant of them all.

He shot up boards because no one thought he’d commit to football.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Do you seriously not realize how crazy that is? That thought process is absolutely insane.

Kliff has never coached a day in the NFL. He has zero experience with NFL talent evaluation. If Keim is giving him any sort of power in this decision, he should be fired immediately.

You don't trade up into the top 10 for a QB, and then give up on him one year later, just because your rookie NFL head coach thinks this other guy is a better fit for his offense.

If Kliff thinks he should have strong influence on this decision - he's stupid.
If Keim let's Kliff have strong influence on the decision - he's stupid.
If Bidwill allows Keim to keep his job after all of that - he's stupid.

You’re right, the head coach, the guy you’ve selected to drive your franchise, shouldnt have “strong influence”. Great take. Bill Parcells called. Called you dumb.GROCERIES.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

You’re right, the head coach, the guy you’ve selected to drive your franchise, shouldnt have “strong influence”. Great take. Bill Parcells called. Called you dumb.

Bill Parcels never coached in a SB, when shopping for his own groceries.

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[scandalous_b]

I am sorry but I don't understand how ANY of you who claim to watch the NFL think that this literal dwarf is a franchsie QB.

He literally has a dwarf head and dwarf arms. Come on.

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I mean that's just a terrible take.

There's a big difference between not wanting Murray with the #1 overall pick, and not thinking that he could ever become a franchise QB.

I'm as against drafting Murray at #1 as anyone here - but to say that you can't understand how anyone could ever imagine him succeeding in the NFL is just beyond stupid.

Murray has a unique skillset with a ridiculous amount of talent. Unfortunately for him, that unique skillset has no track record for success - which makes him far from a sure thing.

 

[scandalous_b]

You’re right, the head coach, the guy you’ve selected to drive your franchise, shouldnt have “strong influence”. Great take. Bill Parcells called. Called you dumb.

Bill Parcells was a head coach & general manager. It was literally his job to make personnel decisions.

Kliff Kingsbury is a head coach. Steve Keim is the general manager.

If you want Kliff Kingsbury to "drive your franchise" - then make him general manager too. Until then - he shouldn't be making the decisions.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Bill Parcells was a head coach & general manager. It was literally his job to make personnel decisions.

Kliff Kingsbury is a head coach. Steve Keim is the general manager.

If you want Kliff Kingsbury to "drive your franchise" - then make him general manager too. Until then - he shouldn't be making the decisions.

When Parcels was coaching in and winning SBs, he was a coach. He left New England, famously, because he wanted GM control over the groceries.

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[Crimson Warrior]

Zeno, he had 425 yards of offense out of his short little puny body. And he supposedly played poorly. So if he played well, then he might have accounted for 600 yards. I still want that guy who's capable of extreme greatness.

And I've already fairly asserted the AL game was an outlier.

AL had the 16th ranked defense in the nation in 2018.

Murray had previously crushed the 24th ranked defense (TCU) in the nation. 207 QB rating in this game.

Statistically very similar defenses, but the performance against TCU was representative of all of his other games in 2018.

It's extremely unfair to focus only on the AL game.

 

[scandalous_b]

When Parcels was coaching in and winning SBs, he was a coach. He left New England, famously, because he wanted GM control over the groceries.

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Exactly.

Smart teams don't just give out personnel control to just anybody. There's a lot that goes into being a general manager that has almost nothing to do with knowing football. Being a coach does not necessarily make you qualified to be a general manager.

A head coach can have an opinion - but that opinion should not drive the decision making process.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

if Murray has nothing to hide then why won`t he be measured? Afraid the real truth will show?Now he doesn`t run because of the extra 15 LBs he put on...…..Whats next? he can`t throw because his arm is sore or its Wednesday?

He's around 5'8", Google the picture during the heisman ceremony standing next to tua from Alabama who's a legit 6'1". No way Murray is 5'10" lol.

 

[Proximo]

Sanders was 203 at the combine, Portis 204, Thomas 198, Barber 203.

So Murray can bulk up for the combine but they can’t huh?

Look they did actually play below 200 for some of their careers.

 

[Zeno]

So Murray can bulk up for the combine but they can’t huh?

Look they did actually play below 200 for some of their careers.

Well aside from Thurman Thomas I find zero information that says any of them did. Also of note, none of those guys have played in the NFL this decade. We could go back to the 50’s and players Murray’s size might be a linebacker.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So Murray can bulk up for the combine but they can’t huh?

Look they did actually play below 200 for some of their careers.

but you're talking about guys who played almost two decades ago. The game has gotten much bigger and faster since then... thus, you barely see any RBs at those sizes, as they've had to do the same to take the pounding.

 

[BW52]

I'm still baffled that some of us think that his size will limit him to ordinary status. Murray is anything but ordinary. His size will not have any impact whatsoever on his career. He will have a great NFL career & we will be sick if we don't pick him.

I don't see how you think his size Won't be a factor in how he does in the NFL?

 

[iLLmatiC]

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My new avatar, danke.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Exactly.

Smart teams don't just give out personnel control to just anybody. There's a lot that goes into being a general manager that has almost nothing to do with knowing football. Being a coach does not necessarily make you qualified to be a general manager.

A head coach can have an opinion - but that opinion should not drive the decision making process.

here's where I'm at... we're NOT a smart team. I lean towards Keim being more moron than knowledgeable GM right now. So, knowing that, might as well go all in on the stupid at this point and hope they pretty much luck into genius. They all either sink or swim in two years.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't see how you think his size Won't be a factor in how he does in the NFL?

i can understand people thinking he's so special he can overcome his size limitations... but just flat out blowing them off as if they're not even somewhat concerning? Yeah... that's cuckoo to me.

 

[Solar7]

i can understand people thinking he's so special he can overcome his size limitations... but just flat out blowing them off as if they're not even somewhat concerning? Yeah... that's cuckoo to me.

Yeah. It’s just like people are screaming “he’s Russel Wilson! We swear,” but refusing to believe there’s any kind of precedent to show that Wilson is extremely hard to replicate.