Suns get Aaron Brooks

[jagu]

Do the haters here actually watch basketball games? It's like they completely ignore the double digit leads we give up when Dragic is on the floor. HELLO??

Seriously, most of the time Dragic enters the game we end up looking like a stalled fighter jet going down into a crowd of onlookers. Brooks is a lot harder to guard than Dragic and we definitely needed a way to save Nash.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Are you saying this trade was Sarver's fault? Assuming you don't like it, of course. That's ridiculous, but expected.

Chap, as a general rule, if you strongly disagree with what I'm saying there's about a hundred percent chance that you've misunderstood me. If you want to translate that to there's a hundred percent chance that I've failed to make myself clear, I'm fine with that also.

I didn't choose a side in my post. Right now, the public perception regarding Sarver is very bad (maybe worse). Now, whether he's the greatest owner or the worst owner or something in between really doesn't matter. The state of this team AND the state of our management AND the perceptions regarding ownership will all take a toll on our ability to draw in first class FA's.

We need to approach the next few years in much the same way Utah has to operate all the time . We need to make smart deals and smart draft picks and put together something that can once again become appealing to the top line players.

As for this trade, I'm disappointed that we had to give up a draft pick but I'm realistic about the value of that pick. I think this deal helps us a little in the short run but I doubt that it will have much impact, positively or negatively, in the long run. I'm always hopeful so I'll take a wait and see approach but it seems like a pretty minor move either way to me.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Do the haters here actually watch basketball games? It's like they completely ignore the double digit leads we give up when Dragic is on the floor. HELLO??

It's something that some fans tend to ignore. The Suns biggest holes are at backup PG and PF. At least the Suns may have filled one of these needs. If the Suns are able to rest Nash, the Suns team is instantly improved. If Nash should be traded this summer, at least the Suns have a PG than can start. I might add, if the Suns were trying to get Millsap, this proves they have an eye for talent.

 

[Chaplin]

Chap, as a general rule, if you strongly disagree with what I'm saying there's about a hundred percent chance that you've misunderstood me. If you want to translate that to there's a hundred percent chance that I've failed to make myself clear, I'm fine with that also.

I didn't choose a side in my post. Right now, the public perception regarding Sarver is very bad (maybe worse). Now, whether he's the greatest owner or the worst owner or something in between really doesn't matter. The state of this team AND the state of our management AND the perceptions regarding ownership will all take a toll on our ability to draw in first class FA's.

We need to approach the next few years in much the same way Utah has to operate all the time . We need to make smart deals and smart draft picks and put together something that can once again become appealing to the top line players.

As for this trade, I'm disappointed that we had to give up a draft pick but I'm realistic about the value of that pick. I think this deal helps us a little in the short run but I doubt that it will have much impact, positively or negatively, in the long run. I'm always hopeful so I'll take a wait and see approach but it seems like a pretty minor move either way to me.

Steve

I meant that it's expected that Sarver haters will blame this trade on him if they don't like it--not you specifically. Sorry about not being clearer.

 

[Evil Ash]

It's something that some fans tend to ignore. The Suns biggest holes are at backup PG and PF. At least the Suns may have filled one of these needs. If the Suns are able to rest Nash, the Suns team is instantly improved. If Nash should be traded this summer, at least the Suns have a PG than can start. I might add, if the Suns were trying to get Millsap, this proves they have an eye for talent.

I think the Orlando trade already proved that and that's why I'm giving this a chance

 

[jagu]

Slinslin can i get Brooks' +/- stats from 2010 and 2011?? Thanks!

 

[desertdawg]

CP3 and a solid power froward...then the purple will go to the top.

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Chris Paul will join Amare and Melo at the same time Howard joins Deron in Brooklyn. Although, there are already rumors that DWill and Dwight are going to LA in 2012. I think it's a safe bet that none of them are coming to Phoenix.
Steve

I kinda just wanted to post that little purple fella making it's way to the top. I agree the " uber super duper" teams are the wave of the future, a wave that the little purple fella will miss.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's something that some fans tend to ignore. The Suns biggest holes are at backup PG and PF. At least the Suns may have filled one of these needs. If the Suns are able to rest Nash, the Suns team is instantly improved. If Nash should be traded this summer, at least the Suns have a PG than can start. I might add, if the Suns were trying to get Millsap, this proves they have an eye for talent.

I disagree. I think shooting guard is at least our second biggest weakness. Frye and Warrick are subpar but not by much. Other than Nash, we've really struggled at the guard positions especially once JR was traded. We need a guy that can command an occasional double team AND take his player off the dribble. Unless Carter finds his heart and his legs, we just don't have anyone other than Nash that can consistenly do those things.

I love Hill and Dudley but neither one of them can do what I'm talking about and as such they become less effective when played together. There's only so much space on the court and when Dudley loses confidence in his three he sets up just like Hill does. It's the reason Pietrus is playing so much IMO because even when he's shooting horribly he's willing to set up outside the 3 point line and hoist it when it comes to him. Our spacing tends to fall apart when he's not out there.

Steve

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Surely you all must've agreed on the KT giveaway.

I am sure we did, but one of us might have been on hiatus at the time.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Do the haters here actually watch basketball games???

Thanks for showing up hyperbole. You got us.

It isn't that we have seen Brooks play and are considered about his size, attitude, ability, and fit.

It is that we are "haters" who pounce at any opportunity to decry the Suns. We don't watch basketball. Like the Red Skull, we just come on here to argue with the Suns greatest hero, Chaplin America.

 

[Mainstreet]

I disagree. I think shooting guard is at least our second biggest weakness. Frye and Warrick are subpar but not by much. Other than Nash, we've really struggled at the guard positions especially once JR was traded. We need a guy that can command an occasional double team AND take his player off the dribble. Unless Carter finds his heart and his legs, we just don't have anyone other than Nash that can consistenly do those things.

I love Hill and Dudley but neither one of them can do what I'm talking about and as such they become less effective when played together. There's only so much space on the court and when Dudley loses confidence in his three he sets up just like Hill does. It's the reason Pietrus is playing so much IMO because even when he's shooting horribly he's willing to set up outside the 3 point line and hoist it when it comes to him. Our spacing tends to fall apart when he's not out there.

Steve

Well SG is the Suns third most pressing area of need both now and in the future. I'm using the line of thought, that center, PF and PG are the most difficult positions to fill on a team. I wish the Suns could get JRich back. JRich did so much more than shoot the 3 point shot.

 

[elindholm]

If Elindholm doesn't like this trade either then we are officially at doomsday.

Heh! Sorry, just got out of class.

Well ... I'm okay with it. I've never thought much of Brooks, but I'd really lost patience with Dragic. I admire Dragic's ability to catch fire once a month, but let's face it, there are a ton of guys in the NBA who catch fire once a month and suck otherwise, and those players don't play meaningful roles on winning teams. If Brooks can help the second unit be a little more stable, then he's worth it. His numbers in 2009-10 were pretty solid -- even his shooting wasn't bad, when you take into account all of the threes -- and he's playing for an extension now. The Suns will get a chance to see the best effort he can put forth.

As for the pick, whatever. The Suns haven't drafted well in years, and this is a non-lottery pick one way or the other. I do think that this will be a weak draft, because early entry prospects who are on the fence are more likely to stay in school than face a possible lockout.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Are you saying this trade was Sarver's fault? Assuming you don't like it, of course. That's ridiculous, but expected.

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[Mainstreet]

I am sure we did, but one of us might have been on hiatus at the time.

Was there anyone that supported the Suns trading KT with two first round draft picks?

 

[tobiazz]

Goran was shooting a terrible 42%, which happens to be 5% better than Brooks. I can understand the trade, in and of itself, but as usual the Suns gave up too much, draft-wise. They should have been able to give the ORL pick, regardless of where we finish.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Here is a fun tidbit for the "Draft picks after lottery picks don't matter"

Aaron Brooks was selected #26.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Was there anyone that supported the Suns trading KT with two first round draft picks?

I am sure there was not. I just don't remember us all agreeing before so one of us may have been on hiatus from the board at that time.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a fun tidbit for the "Draft picks after lottery picks don't matter"

Aaron Brooks was selected #26.

PGs are often available late in the draft for some reason. I guess big over small usually rules. I know it did with the Suns drafting of Earl Clark.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Heh! Sorry, just got out of class.

Well ... I'm okay with it. I've never thought much of Brooks, but I'd really lost patience with Dragic. I admire Dragic's ability to catch fire once a month, but let's face it, there are a ton of guys in the NBA who catch fire once a month and suck otherwise, and those players don't play meaningful roles on winning teams. If Brooks can help the second unit be a little more stable, then he's worth it. His numbers in 2009-10 were pretty solid -- even his shooting wasn't bad, when you take into account all of the threes -- and he's playing for an extension now. The Suns will get a chance to see the best effort he can put forth.

As for the pick, whatever. The Suns haven't drafted well in years, and this is a non-lottery pick one way or the other. I do think that this will be a weak draft, because early entry prospects who are on the fence are more likely to stay in school than face a possible lockout.

I think I am here. This little stretch with Goran out and Dowdell holding down the fort with NO dropoff--actually improvement--in team performance is telling. Dragic is a good defender, but he does not do what we need him to do most--run a team. He could not seem to get around anyone this year. Its as if teams started watching tape and found a weakness that he cannot overcome.

The pick is protected, and EVERYONE is saying this might be the worst draft EVER. So if we can pick up a pg that has some promise, it is probably better than we can do in the draft. We are not out of the draft, we still have a pick.

The worst thing that could happen is that we miss the playoffs, but Orlando crashes and their pick ends up better than ours. Hopefully that lottery protection is at our discretion.

The kid seems genuinely interested in learning from Nash. If he does not pan out, we can dump his salary this summer.

 

[SirStefan32]

Not happy about this at all. I hope I am wrong, but I'd prefer Dragic to Brooks straight up, let alone a first rounder.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm very excited about this deal.

Aaron Brooks is a BEAST type player. He lit up last year. He drops 30-40 pts on the Lakers every time they play. I also think he has a better chance of replacing Nash in the long run than Dragic. You guys don't understand the kind of potential he has. He has battled with injuries + coaching problems this season so he hasn't played that well....but kid can ball.

Dragic was awful this season. We definitely upgraded at backup PG.

But I'm still disappointed we didn't acquire a PF. We supposedly were in talks for Milsap but it never got close....Why couldn't we try Hickson? Cavs are supposedly giving up everything for draft picks!

We got a good backup PG but we didn't upgrade at the position we DESPERATELY had to upgrade....PF.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

As for this trade, I'm disappointed that we had to give up a draft pick but I'm realistic about the value of that pick. I think this deal helps us a little in the short run but I doubt that it will have much impact, positively or negatively, in the long run. I'm always hopeful so I'll take a wait and see approach but it seems like a pretty minor move either way to me.

Per usual, spot on. I just can't understand why anyone would get too happy or pissed about it either way.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'm very excited about this deal.

Aaron Brooks is a BEAST type player. He lit up last year. He drops 30-40 pts on the Lakers every time they play.

Feb 01 LAL

31 minutes

7/19 shooting (36.8%)

2/10 3 point shooting (20%)

16 points

I see what you mean...Beastly

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I actually like his Spurs game on Jan 29th even better.

23 minutes

3-12 shooting (25%)

1-4 shooting (25%)

7 points

He is the new Ceballos. A instead of a point a minute he is a shot a minute man. :smiliefan:

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm very excited about this deal.

Aaron Brooks is a BEAST type player. He lit up last year. He drops 30-40 pts on the Lakers every time they play. I also think he has a better chance of replacing Nash in the long run than Dragic. You guys don't understand the kind of potential he has. He has battled with injuries + coaching problems this season so he hasn't played that well....but kid can ball.

Dragic was awful this season. We definitely upgraded at backup PG.

But I'm still disappointed we didn't acquire a PF. We supposedly were in talks for Milsap but it never got close....Why couldn't we try Hickson? Cavs are supposedly giving up everything for draft picks!

We got a good backup PG but we didn't upgrade at the position we DESPERATELY had to upgrade....PF.

If the Suns could have used their draft picks to help acquire both Brooks and Millsap, I would happily forget the draft. At least the Suns filled one need. The Suns are terrible at drafting.