Suns to trade Marbury, according to KDUS
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thegrahamcrackr
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Im crying right now
jbeecham
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The cash that we got was to buyout Ward (who was one of the expiring contracts). Eisley is under contract for 3 more season and is making 6.5 million this season, which goes up each year. We still have no real PG and our SG is dependant on JJ and Casey. Maybe they'll actually move Marion to SG and Zarko to SF when he comes back.
thegrahamcrackr
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Insider article on it
Suns clear cap, will they come after Kobe?
By Chad Ford
NBA Insider
Send an Email to Chad Ford Monday, January 5
Updated: January 5
2:23 PM ET
A supernova just hit Phoenix. The Suns are blowing up again. Suns GM Bryan Colangelo read the writing on the wall. His team, once considered the best young squad in the NBA, was floundering. Attendance was dwindling. The luxury tax was looming. The chances of making the playoffs dimmed by the day.
What to do? Trade away problem child Stephon Marbury, get Penny Hardaway's millstone off your neck and try again next year. The prize? Enough cap room to make a run at the Lakers' Kobe Bryant, the rights to the best young point guard in Europe, Milos Vujanic, and a chance to to go from a being a good team to a great one next year.
sources told Insider would be completed today, sends Marbury and Hardaway to the Knicks for Antonio McDyess, Charlie Ward, Howard Eisley, Maciej Lampe, the rights to second-round pick Vujanic and two first-round picks, including New York's unprotected first this season.
Of all the players the Suns are getting, only Eisley and Lampe will be on the books next season. McDyess and Ward are vehicles by which the Suns can slash a $66 million payroll this season and turn it into roughly $10 million in cap room next year.
How? McDyess' $13.5 million, Ward's $6 million (the Suns will buy out Ward this week, saving another $3.6 million) and Tom Gugliotta's $11.7 million all come off the books at the end of the season. Add in the $6.4 million Eisley is slated to make next season and the Suns are looking at around $36 million in guaranteed salaries next season. Add in cap holds for the two first-round draft picks they own, and that number swells to $39 million. Sources in Phoenix claim, however, the Suns are probably not done dealing. The team will try to move a pick or two along with a salary to get closer to that $35 million number.
If the cap comes in at around $45 million next year, and the Suns are $10 million under, the Suns are suddenly right in the middle of the hunt to land Kobe.
And at first glance, they'd have to be the odds-on favorites. Kobe has been hinting that he wants out of L.A., but before today's trade, his best option appeared to be the Clippers. While the Clippers aren't a bad option for him if Donald Sterling is willing to pay, the Suns would be better. Combined with Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion, along with young players like Joe Johnson, Zarko Carbarkapa, Lampe and Milos Vujanic, the Suns would have as formidable of a team as any in the league. Phoenix has always been a premier free-agent destination because of the weather and the way the Colangelos run a first-class organization. Having Italian coach Mike D'Antoni couldn't hurt things either.
Yes, Kobe would have to take a decent pay cut to play in Phoenix. He's due $14.6 million next year in Los Angeles, and the Suns would probably be able to offer him only around $10 million. But for Kobe, the change of scenery, and the chance to win a championship without Shaq, may be worth the salary hit.
Even if the Suns can't land Kobe, the serious cap room will help them land a top-flight player. The acquisition of the two young European prospects -- Lampe and Vujanic -- also bodes well for the Suns' future.
LampeLampe stunned scouts when he slipped from a projected lottery pick to the first pick of the second round. The 7-foot native of Poland slipped when rumors that his team, Real Madrid, wouldn't let him out of his contract spread the day of the draft. The Knicks were able to secure a buyout and Lampe played well in the summer league for the Knicks.
Lampe has a typical European game. He's a good ball handler and excellent outside shooter for his size. Unlike other top European big men, however, Lampe has a body built to play in the low post. The Knicks quickly found that he was too slow to play the three in the NBA, but found a lot of success using him as a high-post five in their offense. The Suns were very high on Lampe during the draft, and would've selected him had Zarko Carbarkapa not been on the board.
Given the Suns' lack of true big man, Lampe may be a perfect fit in coach Mike D'Antoni's system. He can run the floor, stretch the defense and is tough enough to go in and grad a rebound. He'll never be athletic enough to play the three, but he could definitely help at the five.
They also landed the rights to Serbian point guard Milos Vujanic. Vujanic, 23, is widely regarded as the best young point guard in Europe. Vujanic averaged 25.7 ppg and 3.2 apg for Belgrade's Partizan team last year. This season playing for Euroleague powerhouse Skipper Bologna, the 6-foot-3 is averaging 12.8 ppg and 2.0 apg on 59 percent shooting from the field. While those numbers won't wow NBA observers, they are considered very solid considering that the Euroleague credits assist differently and that Vujanic is on a team stacked with talent.
Insider actually traveled to Belgrade last winter and watched Vujanic light up one of the top teams in Europe, CSKA Moscow, in front of the home crowd. Here's an excerpt from that scouting report.
At first glance, his game is eerily reminiscent of Steve Nash's, with one or two differences. Both players are fantastic shooters (Vujanic goes 4-for-9 from beyond the arc tonight). They both love to push the ball up the court, and always keep their cool even under pressure. Vujanic, however, is a better athlete and a tougher defender.
The NBA's best point guards all have one thing in common -- the ability to split defenders and get the ball to the basket. Jason Kidd is the master of this, and Vujanic isn't far behind.
One second he's shooting 3s. The next he's pushing the ball on the break and dishing a perfect behind-the-back pass to a trailing teammate for the jam. The next time down, he's battling for offensive rebounds, and then he's flinging himself into the stands for a loose ball. Vujanic has a killer jump stop and can pull up on a dime and sink the open jumper.
CSKA has no answer for him. At times they triple-team him, but he always makes them pay. He is putting on a show tonight. Of all of the players we've seen on the trip, he is by far the best. His stat line at the end of the game tells most of the story: 28 points on 7 of 14 shooting, seven assists, three rebounds and three steals in 36 minutes. Most important, Partizan scores a huge upset over CSKA.
Vujanic opted not to join the Knicks last season and instead signed on with Skipper Bologna. Vujanic and his agent were concerned that with the Knicks' logjam at point guard that he'd be mired on the end of the bench. Vujanic decided he'd be better off getting more experience playing for one of the top teams in Europe. With a clear opportunity to come in and start for Phoenix, expect Vujanic to be in a Suns uniform next season.
Suns clear cap, will they come after Kobe?
By Chad Ford
NBA Insider
Send an Email to Chad Ford Monday, January 5
Updated: January 5
2:23 PM ET
A supernova just hit Phoenix. The Suns are blowing up again. Suns GM Bryan Colangelo read the writing on the wall. His team, once considered the best young squad in the NBA, was floundering. Attendance was dwindling. The luxury tax was looming. The chances of making the playoffs dimmed by the day.
What to do? Trade away problem child Stephon Marbury, get Penny Hardaway's millstone off your neck and try again next year. The prize? Enough cap room to make a run at the Lakers' Kobe Bryant, the rights to the best young point guard in Europe, Milos Vujanic, and a chance to to go from a being a good team to a great one next year.
sources told Insider would be completed today, sends Marbury and Hardaway to the Knicks for Antonio McDyess, Charlie Ward, Howard Eisley, Maciej Lampe, the rights to second-round pick Vujanic and two first-round picks, including New York's unprotected first this season.
Of all the players the Suns are getting, only Eisley and Lampe will be on the books next season. McDyess and Ward are vehicles by which the Suns can slash a $66 million payroll this season and turn it into roughly $10 million in cap room next year.
How? McDyess' $13.5 million, Ward's $6 million (the Suns will buy out Ward this week, saving another $3.6 million) and Tom Gugliotta's $11.7 million all come off the books at the end of the season. Add in the $6.4 million Eisley is slated to make next season and the Suns are looking at around $36 million in guaranteed salaries next season. Add in cap holds for the two first-round draft picks they own, and that number swells to $39 million. Sources in Phoenix claim, however, the Suns are probably not done dealing. The team will try to move a pick or two along with a salary to get closer to that $35 million number.
If the cap comes in at around $45 million next year, and the Suns are $10 million under, the Suns are suddenly right in the middle of the hunt to land Kobe.
And at first glance, they'd have to be the odds-on favorites. Kobe has been hinting that he wants out of L.A., but before today's trade, his best option appeared to be the Clippers. While the Clippers aren't a bad option for him if Donald Sterling is willing to pay, the Suns would be better. Combined with Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion, along with young players like Joe Johnson, Zarko Carbarkapa, Lampe and Milos Vujanic, the Suns would have as formidable of a team as any in the league. Phoenix has always been a premier free-agent destination because of the weather and the way the Colangelos run a first-class organization. Having Italian coach Mike D'Antoni couldn't hurt things either.
Yes, Kobe would have to take a decent pay cut to play in Phoenix. He's due $14.6 million next year in Los Angeles, and the Suns would probably be able to offer him only around $10 million. But for Kobe, the change of scenery, and the chance to win a championship without Shaq, may be worth the salary hit.
Even if the Suns can't land Kobe, the serious cap room will help them land a top-flight player. The acquisition of the two young European prospects -- Lampe and Vujanic -- also bodes well for the Suns' future.
LampeLampe stunned scouts when he slipped from a projected lottery pick to the first pick of the second round. The 7-foot native of Poland slipped when rumors that his team, Real Madrid, wouldn't let him out of his contract spread the day of the draft. The Knicks were able to secure a buyout and Lampe played well in the summer league for the Knicks.
Lampe has a typical European game. He's a good ball handler and excellent outside shooter for his size. Unlike other top European big men, however, Lampe has a body built to play in the low post. The Knicks quickly found that he was too slow to play the three in the NBA, but found a lot of success using him as a high-post five in their offense. The Suns were very high on Lampe during the draft, and would've selected him had Zarko Carbarkapa not been on the board.
Given the Suns' lack of true big man, Lampe may be a perfect fit in coach Mike D'Antoni's system. He can run the floor, stretch the defense and is tough enough to go in and grad a rebound. He'll never be athletic enough to play the three, but he could definitely help at the five.
They also landed the rights to Serbian point guard Milos Vujanic. Vujanic, 23, is widely regarded as the best young point guard in Europe. Vujanic averaged 25.7 ppg and 3.2 apg for Belgrade's Partizan team last year. This season playing for Euroleague powerhouse Skipper Bologna, the 6-foot-3 is averaging 12.8 ppg and 2.0 apg on 59 percent shooting from the field. While those numbers won't wow NBA observers, they are considered very solid considering that the Euroleague credits assist differently and that Vujanic is on a team stacked with talent.
Insider actually traveled to Belgrade last winter and watched Vujanic light up one of the top teams in Europe, CSKA Moscow, in front of the home crowd. Here's an excerpt from that scouting report.
At first glance, his game is eerily reminiscent of Steve Nash's, with one or two differences. Both players are fantastic shooters (Vujanic goes 4-for-9 from beyond the arc tonight). They both love to push the ball up the court, and always keep their cool even under pressure. Vujanic, however, is a better athlete and a tougher defender.
The NBA's best point guards all have one thing in common -- the ability to split defenders and get the ball to the basket. Jason Kidd is the master of this, and Vujanic isn't far behind.
One second he's shooting 3s. The next he's pushing the ball on the break and dishing a perfect behind-the-back pass to a trailing teammate for the jam. The next time down, he's battling for offensive rebounds, and then he's flinging himself into the stands for a loose ball. Vujanic has a killer jump stop and can pull up on a dime and sink the open jumper.
CSKA has no answer for him. At times they triple-team him, but he always makes them pay. He is putting on a show tonight. Of all of the players we've seen on the trip, he is by far the best. His stat line at the end of the game tells most of the story: 28 points on 7 of 14 shooting, seven assists, three rebounds and three steals in 36 minutes. Most important, Partizan scores a huge upset over CSKA.
Vujanic opted not to join the Knicks last season and instead signed on with Skipper Bologna. Vujanic and his agent were concerned that with the Knicks' logjam at point guard that he'd be mired on the end of the bench. Vujanic decided he'd be better off getting more experience playing for one of the top teams in Europe. With a clear opportunity to come in and start for Phoenix, expect Vujanic to be in a Suns uniform next season.
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Krangodnzr
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I wouldn't be upset if we got Luol Deng from Duke....
Looks better and better all the time.
hcsilla
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Top4 is maybe a bit high but it's possible.
Splitter?
Another perimeter oriented, tall F when we have Lampe and Cabarkapa plus Amare as our future PF?
Vujanic reportedly got a 6 mil./3year contract this summer from Skipper Bologna which is one of the best european teams right now.
Reportedly he can be bought-out only after his 1st 2 years.
Only if we give our own pick too, IMO.
I would not hold my breath for that either.
Spurs can match with Suns' offer sheet.
Okur is a possibility.
Just to point out how "right" Hscilla is...
He said that Zarko was a poor shooter and would be a terrible pick.
Take his "rightness" with a grain of salt.
He said that Zarko was a poor shooter and would be a terrible pick.
Take his "rightness" with a grain of salt.
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Actually, that is what they SHOULD DO. Amare needs to be the core of this team. Despite his youth and experience, I think he has the "stuff" that it takes to lay it on the line. He's got attitude, skills, and heart. Same thing as Marbury only he's a hell of a lot taller.
Amare will be the one to get us to the next level.
However, the Suns have got to have another trade in the works don't they???????
How about McGrady, Marion, and Amare?
Can you say sold out?
jbeecham
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The Suns cannot have the #4 pick in the draft because it will go to the Charlotte Bobcats regardless of how the ping pong balls fall. So unless the Suns get lucky with the ping pong balls the highest pick would probably be 5th. There are also still teams like Washington, Orlando, Cleveland, Chicago, Atlanta, etc that can give the Suns a run for their money for the worst record in the NBA.
hcsilla
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Actually that's wrong because I never said that.
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...2&perpage=15&highlight=cabarkapa&pagenumber=1
Actually Cabarkapa indeed wasn't a good outside-shooter based on his Euroleague stats.
Take your "rightness" and your "memory" with a grain of salt.
Anyway thanks for your kind words.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
First of all, I am outraged that Marbury is gone.
Right now, it seem like a bad trade, but I think in the long run, it might be a very good thing for the Suns.
They dumped two huge contracts, Dice comes off next year and they will have a lot of money for FA's next year.
Losing Marbury will hurt, but Vujanic is a heck of a player. I've seen over 20 of his games, and let me tell you- this kid is awesome. He can score like crazy, he is an outstanding defender, he penetrates, he has a nice range, he can pass the ball, he is as quick as heck. The problem though is that he wants to stay in Europe, but I do believe he can be convinced to change his mind.
And obviously, they are tanking the season, which will give them an extra lottery pick.
Right now, it seem like a bad trade, but I think in the long run, it might be a very good thing for the Suns.
They dumped two huge contracts, Dice comes off next year and they will have a lot of money for FA's next year.
Losing Marbury will hurt, but Vujanic is a heck of a player. I've seen over 20 of his games, and let me tell you- this kid is awesome. He can score like crazy, he is an outstanding defender, he penetrates, he has a nice range, he can pass the ball, he is as quick as heck. The problem though is that he wants to stay in Europe, but I do believe he can be convinced to change his mind.
And obviously, they are tanking the season, which will give them an extra lottery pick.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
Chris, he is/ was right. I was very familiar with Zarko as well, and Hcsilla was correct in his statements.
So Stefan - new name coming? SirZell?
thegrahamcrackr
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No quotes yet??
scotsman13
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second round picks dont have the choose to be RFA. they can only get a 2 year contract and then are UFA. also with the signing that the spurs did this summer they are right at the cap cutoff point. so going after Manu Ginobili is still an option.
Okur will remain a Piston after the '03-'04 season....They cleared off a lot of cap space so they will be able to re-sign him to a long-term deal....
Chaplin
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Looks like we're going small in the draft next summer... 
The sting is starting to go away a little bit, but I'm still unconvinced--this trade seems to change every other minute.
The sting is starting to go away a little bit, but I'm still unconvinced--this trade seems to change every other minute.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
No, name had nothing to do with Marbury.
thegrahamcrackr
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Actually, they are trying to move one more player, most likely Atkins, to be far enough for sure. They are worried the Nuggets will throw around 7 million to them, which they won't be able match.
I just don't understand????
This team was in last place with Marbury, should the Suns just keep him just to keep him? What is the worst thing that can happen now.....will the NBA create a place in the standings lower than the team is in now????
Alright then I am WRONG
I remembered one of you Euroes being very down on Zarko and I thought for sure it was you.
scudney
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holy crap.. i just came on here and found out about the trade. Looks like i got a lot of reading to catch up on.
I loved marbury, and its sad to see him go, but i also love barbosa... so it'll be exciting to see what he'll abe to do
I loved marbury, and its sad to see him go, but i also love barbosa... so it'll be exciting to see what he'll abe to do
There's also Hubert Davis, Bob Sura, Lindsey Hunter who could be some hot commodities just before the trade deadline that they'd be willing to trade.....
One possibility also is Corliss Williamson long-term deal could also be cleared off since it seems he hasn't fit into Larry Brown's system as of yet....
slinslin
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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Alright then I am WRONG
I remembered one of you Euroes being very down on Zarko and I thought for sure it was you.
No, it was probably me. I thought he would be the 2nd coming of Dan Langhi.
He was not really an impressive player in europe.
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