The 2018-2019 Around the NBA thread

[Finito]

Good for him

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm glad Alan Williams has found a home.

 

[Errntknght]

I'm glad Alan Williams has found a home.

His injury came at a very inopportune time. I certainly hope he has fully recovered and goes on to prove is was our mistake to let him go.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Hoop Head]

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Watch the Suns trade Ayton for Butler because they feel they need more wings and Ayton doesn't quite fit with the team they're trying to build.

In an seriousness it wouldn't surprise me if they made a play for him, using Warren, Chandler, the Bucks pick, and a first of their own. Now would be a good time to have that Miami pick. I don't know if the TimberBulls would have interest in Bridges or not, he seems to be the sort of player that Thibs would like though.

 

[Chaplin]

Watch the Suns trade Ayton for Butler because they feel they need more wings and Ayton doesn't quite fit with the team they're trying to build.

In an seriousness it wouldn't surprise me if they made a play for him, using Warren, Chandler, the Bucks pick, and a first of their own. Now would be a good time to have that Miami pick. I don't know if the TimberBulls would have interest in Bridges or not, he seems to be the sort of player that Thibs would like though.

We have Booker, why try to acquire a head case who plays he same position as a guy we just gave a Max contract to?

 

[Hoop Head]

We have Booker, why try to acquire a head case who plays he same position as a guy we just gave a Max contract to?

Butler is a wing and I don't think he'd have any problems playing with Booker. He can play SF just as well as SG and has alternated between those 2 positions for the last 2 years in Minnesota and Chicago before that. He played with Wade at SG in Chicago and last year in Minnesota with Wiggins and Jamal Crawford. I wouldn't consider Butler a headcase either. He hasn't gotten along well with Towns in Minnesota and that's why he's turned down the extension they offered him. There weren't any other reports of him being a headcase when he was in Chicago or up until this latest feud with Towns. Not liking a teammate doesn't deserve a headcase label.

I don't think we need to go all out acquiring someone like Butler but he does fit the profile for the type of player McD has always talked about acquiring. A disgruntled All-Star on the trade market. It doesn't seem to matter to McD who is on the roster currently when he's made some of the moves he has. That didn't stop him from going after IT and then Knight right after the 3 headed PG plan didn't work. He then drafted 2 PF's in Bender and Chriss. This year he's acquired 2 more wings for us despite us having 3 good wings already in Booker, Warren, and Jackson. So making a move for another wing wouldn't be all that surprising.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I wouldn't consider Butler a headcase either. He hasn't gotten along well with Towns in Minnesota and that's why he's turned down the extension they offered him. There weren't any other reports of him being a headcase when he was in Chicago or up until this latest feud with Towns. Not liking a teammate doesn't deserve a headcase label.

Maybe you don't consider it being a headcase but he unquestionably quit on his Chicago teammates in a game. Beyond that incident, I really don't know much about him as a player or a person but intentionally trying to not defend, score or rebound for an entire game is a huge red flag IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

Watch the Suns trade Ayton for Butler because they feel they need more wings and Ayton doesn't quite fit with the team they're trying to build.

In an seriousness it wouldn't surprise me if they made a play for him, using Warren, Chandler, the Bucks pick, and a first of their own. Now would be a good time to have that Miami pick. I don't know if the TimberBulls would have interest in Bridges or not, he seems to be the sort of player that Thibs would like though.

All the Suns need is another unhappy player.

 

[Hoop Head]

Maybe you don't consider it being a headcase but he unquestionably quit on his Chicago teammates in a game. Beyond that incident, I really don't know much about him as a player or a person but intentionally trying to not defend, score or rebound for an entire game is a huge red flag IMO.

When did that happen? I'm not saying it didn't but I don't remember seeing it. I know he gave the Bulls an ultimatum of him or Hoiberg and they chose Hoiberg but I don't recall seeing him quit on them but I don't watch the Bulls much, if at all. I saw some of their series against Boston in his last year there when they almost upset Boston before Rondo got hurt and he looked good for them in that series from what I can remember.

 

[Hoop Head]

All the Suns need is another unhappy player.

Definitely don't need an unhappy player. I'm not trying to make the case for trading for him, I was more joking about how McD would go after him by giving up one of the few players we have left that isn't a wing to acquire him but who knows what'll happen. It wouldn't that bad if we could acquire him in a low cost deal but since he seems reluctant to stay in Minnesota because of their young players I would think he wouldn't be thrilled about the Suns acquiring him either. A trade involving Ariza and Warren for Butler would help clear up our logjam some and upgrade our talent some but that couldn't happen until December 15th since Ariza just signed this summer and I doubt the Wolves will wait that long to deal him.

I hope the Suns can work their way into Wolves trade somehow to get Tyus Jones but I don't know what the price would be for that. I'd gladly ship Chandler off to bring him but that wouldn't make a lot of sense considering their salaries. Daniels going to Minnesota for Jones should work financially and they may want a shooter like him after trading Butler, who knows.

 

[GatorAZ]

Butler would be a great fit if he weren’t a FA and not so tightly strung. There’s rumors he’s going to team up with Kyrie for the Knicks next summer.

 

[elindholm]

The Suns already have half a dozen wings they're trying to develop. Mortgaging the future for Butler makes no sense at all.

 

[SirStefan32]

The Suns already have half a dozen wings they're trying to develop. Mortgaging the future for Butler makes no sense at all.

I tend to agree. I like Butler a lot, but I can't imagine how they develop Jackson and Bridges with Booker and Butler on the roster.
The only way I can see it happening is if it's a three-team trade that send Jackson and Warren elsewhere and brings a real PG alongside Butler.

 

[Mainstreet]

Definitely don't need an unhappy player. I'm not trying to make the case for trading for him, I was more joking about how McD would go after him by giving up one of the few players we have left that isn't a wing to acquire him but who knows what'll happen. It wouldn't that bad if we could acquire him in a low cost deal but since he seems reluctant to stay in Minnesota because of their young players I would think he wouldn't be thrilled about the Suns acquiring him either. A trade involving Ariza and Warren for Butler would help clear up our logjam some and upgrade our talent some but that couldn't happen until December 15th since Ariza just signed this summer and I doubt the Wolves will wait that long to deal him.

I hope the Suns can work their way into Wolves trade somehow to get Tyus Jones but I don't know what the price would be for that. I'd gladly ship Chandler off to bring him but that wouldn't make a lot of sense considering their salaries. Daniels going to Minnesota for Jones should work financially and they may want a shooter like him after trading Butler, who knows.

I know you are not making the case for Butler but who knows about McDonough. I'd be much more happy pursuing a PG like Tyus Jones as you suggest than giving up a lot for a player (Butler) that could walk next summer.

 

[AzStevenCal]

When did that happen? I'm not saying it didn't but I don't remember seeing it. I know he gave the Bulls an ultimatum of him or Hoiberg and they chose Hoiberg but I don't recall seeing him quit on them but I don't watch the Bulls much, if at all. I saw some of their series against Boston in his last year there when they almost upset Boston before Rondo got hurt and he looked good for them in that series from what I can remember.

I don't remember what game it was but I'm pretty sure we talked about it here as/when it happened. I looked at his stats to see if it stood out but he actually has a handful of games where it would appear he was trying to throw the game. I'm not suggesting that's the case, merely that I can't distinguish which one I'm talking about. But if you see it, you will know it. His actions were incredibly deliberate and while he did pick up some stats, he did all he could to not do anything positive.

 

[BC867]

I don't remember what game it was but I'm pretty sure we talked about it here as/when it happened. I looked at his stats to see if it stood out but he actually has a handful of games where it would appear he was trying to throw the game. I'm not suggesting that's the case, merely that I can't distinguish which one I'm talking about. But if you see it, you will know it. His actions were incredibly deliberate and while he did pick up some stats, he did all he could to not do anything positive.

I don't remember the details, either. But I remember the incident. And reading the discussion about it here.

 

[Phrazbit]

Butler and Wade went to the media and trashed their teammates, Rondo popped off on them back, talking about how when he was a young player and screwed up his Boston teammates put on all smiles with the press but lit into him behind closed doors and to him Butler and Wade were doing the opposite with Chicago's young players.

All 3 of them got fined and didn't start the next game but did play. Butler proceeded to have probably the worst game of his career, claiming that not starting messed up his rhythm or something.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Maybe you don't consider it being a headcase but he unquestionably quit on his Chicago teammates in a game. Beyond that incident, I really don't know much about him as a player or a person but intentionally trying to not defend, score or rebound for an entire game is a huge red flag IMO.

He’s really an oddball personality at his core. I remember reading an article about him that tried to play it off as him being eclectic, but the quitting on his teammates and now his issues in minny lead me to believe that there’s more to it than being just a bit eclectic.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He’s really an oddball personality at his core. I remember reading an article about him that tried to play it off as him being eclectic, but the quitting on his teammates and now his issues in minny lead me to believe that there’s more to it than being just a bit eclectic.

Yeah, I think there's a lot more to his story than we know. And on the other side of this, there's the fact he's a tireless worker and has been a fan favorite in the past. Fortunately he makes little sense for us so we won't have to worry about whatever is ticking inside that guy.

 

[Superbone]

He’s really an oddball personality at his core. I remember reading an article about him that tried to play it off as him being eclectic, but the quitting on his teammates and now his issues in minny lead me to believe that there’s more to it than being just a bit eclectic.

It's not like there isn't a precedent. Remember when Kobe quit on his team in Game 7 of the playoffs against us after we came back from down 3-1?

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's not like there isn't a precedent. Remember when Kobe quit on his team in Game 7 of the playoffs against us after we came back from down 3-1?

It really wasn't the same thing. One was a game plan, from the tip. The other was an emotional reaction in the moment. And even if you call them the same in that regard, Kobe didn't actively try to avoid having a positive impact. I've never seen any player do what Butler did - not Kobe, not Keef not even Headache Smith.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's not like there isn't a precedent. Remember when Kobe quit on his team in Game 7 of the playoffs against us after we came back from down 3-1?

I never thought of Kobe the same way again.

 

[GatorAZ]

The Lakers were done by the 3rd qtr and Kobe started pouting. It was a great night.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Is Butler a point guard?

Do you think he would prefer Phoenix to either New York or Los Angeles next season?