The Positive Kyler Murray News Thread

[urs]

This thread is such a mine field for me. I forget I am in it sometimes and have had to delete multiple drafts. Whew.

Why? What's negative to say about Kyler right now? He's done everything right, seemingly, under the new regime.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Why? What's negative to say about Kyler right now? He's done everything right, seemingly, under the new regime.

Bruh, this is ASFN...Kyler could lead the Cards to an undefeated season with a Super Bowl win, gift all his teammates a Lamborghini, fund a cure for cancer and solve world hunger...and there would still be a few on here that would find something negative to say about him. Just gotta roll with it.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Kind of harsh if I’m reading this correctly. I think the poster is saying that Murray needs to feel confident he is 100% healthy.

3 days is the ban minimum now. However, he did reach out to me and explain his intent so I removed the ban.

 

[CardNots]

I haven't been disappointed in a Cardinals' performance since the Cincy game. Seems like ages ago.

Neither have I

 

[Chopper0080]

Why? What's negative to say about Kyler right now? He's done everything right, seemingly, under the new regime.

Just a joke. Trying to have some fun.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bruh, this is ASFN...Kyler could lead the Cards to an undefeated season with a Super Bowl win, gift all his teammates a Lamborghini, fund a cure for cancer and solve world hunger...and there would still be a few on here that would find something negative to say about him. Just gotta roll with it.

These kind of posts always make me chuckle. They not only serve no other reason than to try and inflame the board, but they’re usually arguments made completely without evidence.

So, this is specifically NOT a Kyler take here for me, but more a general response to posts like the above over two decades… the kind of blanket statement that has been thrown out about Keim, Kliff, Bidwill and hell… everything else questionable about all things Cardinals that is consistently made to try and make posters look foolish. But what always makes me chuckle, is saying you know posters would spit the kind of blanket, blind venom you project above when those fans have so rarely been given the chance to comment on actual sustained success. The above makes it seem like we all root for the Chiefs or Niners with Mahommes or Purdy and fans still aren’t happy.

So, there’s no basis in reality for your projection on the “always negative fans” because Cardinals fans have never been given the chance to come anywhere close to sustained success where you could accurately measure what their response would be.

And actually, we’ve seen that when the team IS actually good for whatever brief period that may be, the entire board goes happy happy joy, planning Super Bowls and calling for players to get the MVP? Or singing Bruce Arians’ praises his first three years with us and even somehow believing that EVERY MAN UP might actually get us over the hump against the SeHawks dynasty with Ryan Lindley freaking starting.

The reality is the rare moment the Cardinals are actually good or individual players are legitimately and undeniably GREAT, they are showered with love - see Larry for proof of that. When there’s big questions about the team or the players, they’ll be questioned.

Hell, even THIS season, there were a TON of people questioning Monty/HC In the off-season and despite a 1-4 start, the overwhelming majority of those posters DO SEE PROGRESS and admit they might have been wrong have found things to be optimistic about. Why? Because those guys have given them reason to.

It’s that simple.

(Note to Mods… again this is not an anti-Kyler post. Nowhere did I mention anything negative about him above. This is a post specifically about the kind of blanket, inflammatory posts that project what “negative fans” will always say no matter what). Is it OT? Sure. But it’s in response to what another poster wrote in the thread.

 

[CardNots]

These kind of posts always make me chuckle. They not only serve no other reason than to try and inflame the board, but they’re usually arguments made completely without evidence.

So, this is specifically NOT a Kyler take here for me, but more a general response to posts like the above over two decades… the kind of blanket statement that has been thrown out about Keim, Kliff, Bidwill and hell… everything else questionable about all things Cardinals that is consistently made to try and make posters look foolish. But what always makes me chuckle, is saying you know posters would spit the kind of blanket, blind venom you project above when those fans have so rarely been given the chance to comment on actual sustained success. The above makes it seem like we all root for the Chiefs or Niners with Mahommes or Purdy and fans still aren’t happy.

So, there’s no basis in reality for your projection on the “always negative fans” because Cardinals fans have never been given the chance to come anywhere close to sustained success where you could accurately measure what their response would be.

And actually, we’ve seen that when the team IS actually good for whatever brief period that may be, the entire board goes happy happy joy, planning Super Bowls and calling for players to get the MVP? Or singing Bruce Arians’ praises his first three years with us and even somehow believing that EVERY MAN UP might actually get us over the hump against the SeHawks dynasty with Ryan Lindley freaking starting.

The reality is the rare moment the Cardinals are actually good or individual players are legitimately and undeniably GREAT, they are showered with love - see Larry for proof of that. When there’s big questions about the team or the players, they’ll be questioned.

Hell, even THIS season, there were a TON of people questioning Monty/HC In the off-season and despite a 1-4 start, the overwhelming majority of those posters DO SEE PROGRESS and admit they might have been wrong have found things to be optimistic about. Why? Because those guys have given them reason to.

It’s that simple.

(Note to Mods… again this is not an anti-Kyler post. Nowhere did I mention anything negative about him above. This is a post specifically about the kind of blanket, inflammatory posts that project what “negative fans” will always say no matter what). Is it OT? Sure. But it’s in response to what another poster wrote in the thread.

rock solid

 

[urs]

We miss you Kyler, please come back

 

[SoonerLou]

Bruh, this is ASFN...Kyler could lead the Cards to an undefeated season with a Super Bowl win, gift all his teammates a Lamborghini, fund a cure for cancer and solve world hunger...and there would still be a few on here that would find something negative to say about him. Just gotta roll with it.

Lets not be irrational.












No one would be negative if he funded a cure for cancer.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[AZ Native]

Lets not be irrational.

No one would be negative if he funded a cure for cancer.

I don't know, someone may blame him for putting oncologists out of work.

 

[Arz101]

I am waiting on Kyler to play with full squad of Conner, Brown, PJ, Wilson, Ertz, McBride, Dortch for at least 8 games.

 

[AZ Native]

I really want Kyler to come back as soon as he is able. I know he wants to, but the way this team is going downhill quickly, I want to keep him healthy for the long run. I'd like to see him play well for many reasons but the main reason is we can draft players that will really help us in the future. By not drafting a QB we could pick a great player with the first pick or trade for multiple picks, in addition to Houston's first pick and all the other picks we have. Even in his first year of drafting, Monti has shown the ability to make some good choices. By giving him all these picks, we can finally surround Kyler with multiple good key players and build for the future.

 

[Stout]

Bruh, this is ASFN...Kyler could lead the Cards to an undefeated season with a Super Bowl win, gift all his teammates a Lamborghini, fund a cure for cancer and solve world hunger...and there would still be a few on here that would find something negative to say about him. Just gotta roll with it.

Very poor take.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I really want Kyler to come back as soon as he is able. I know he wants to, but the way this team is going downhill quickly, I want to keep him healthy for the long run. I'd like to see him play well for many reasons but the main reason is we can draft players that will really help us in the future. By not drafting a QB we could pick a great player with the first pick or trade for multiple picks, in addition to Houston's first pick and all the other picks we have. Even in his first year of drafting, Monti has shown the ability to make some good choices. By giving him all these picks, we can finally surround Kyler with multiple good key players and build for the future.

Agree that there is absolutely no point in bringing him back unless the Cardinals are 1000% sure the knee is as good as it's going to get.

With the season lost, I don't care if he sits all year as long as the plan is to build around him for 2024. We know he's the guy who can lead us to a championship. What is playing with Wilkinson and Ingram going to prove?

 

[Proximo]

I really want Kyler to come back as soon as he is able. I know he wants to, but the way this team is going downhill quickly, I want to keep him healthy for the long run. I'd like to see him play well for many reasons but the main reason is we can draft players that will really help us in the future. By not drafting a QB we could pick a great player with the first pick or trade for multiple picks, in addition to Houston's first pick and all the other picks we have. Even in his first year of drafting, Monti has shown the ability to make some good choices. By giving him all these picks, we can finally surround Kyler with multiple good key players and build for the future.

We need to see him in this system ASAP so we can evaluate if we are sticking with him or drafting a QB.

 

[slanidrac16]

I want and I think we need Murray directing this offense THIS year. Of course not unless he is 100% healthy, however, we should not let our record be the deciding factor.
If Murray comes back for the last 5 games with decisive performances it will be a huge building block going into next year.
I believe we are going to have a huge influx of talent coming here next year with the draft AND free agency. It will take a while to bring that talent together but having Kyler in place would be huge.

 

[kerouac9]

We know he's the guy who can lead us to a championship.

Do we tho?

Kyler has some boxes to tick I think about his ability to handle adversity and lead when the chips are down.

 

[Stout]

Agree that there is absolutely no point in bringing him back unless the Cardinals are 1000% sure the knee is as good as it's going to get.

With the season lost, I don't care if he sits all year as long as the plan is to build around him for 2024. We know he's the guy who can lead us to a championship. What is playing with Wilkinson and Ingram going to prove?

I think the coaching staff wants and needs to see him on the field this season. And I think, given the offensive system and how we're doing with so little, he can come in and show out.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Do we tho?

Kyler has some boxes to tick I think about his ability to handle adversity and lead when the chips are down.

Interesting.

Tell us how you would proceed with this fact set please my friend:

1. Out of an abundance of caution (no rehab setbacks) K1 does not play in 2023.
2. Cardinals secure the #1 pick in the 2024 draft.
3. All the pretty 2023 college QBs are available for this draft and all have stated their intent to play for whomever drafts them. Williams, Maye, etc. play very well for the balance of the year. Williams edges out Maye for the 2023 Heisman award.

You are the Cardinals GM are on the clock to begin the draft. You have good trade offers on the table from other teams seeking the #1 pick.

What would you do? Would you pick a QB (K1 is not the guy), or would you make a trade and work on other parts of the roster (K1 has shown enough to at least be at the guy for 2024)?

I think I know what you'll say, but just once please for the record K9.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think the coaching staff wants and needs to see him on the field this season. And I think, given the offensive system and how we're doing with so little, he can come in and show out.

Agree. When I watch the Cardinals, I imagine Murray faced with the same circumstances as Dobbs and I can't help but think this team might actually be fairly competitive with Murray out there.

Dobbs is hitting the typical back up QB wall. Sucks in the first game, surprises for a few games, then teams start to figure them out.

 

[slanidrac16]

Many of us believe Kyler will thrive in this offense. There are a lot that have questions about him.
The quickest way to prominence would be for Kyler to be the guy and fill out this roster with talent.
That being said it would be a disaster should we stick with Kyler and find out he’s not the guy.

When we look back at Murray’s career there are highlites that no doubt are simply amazing which not to many people on this earth can do.
There are some , maybe fewer highlites, that scares the bejesus out of some.

That’s why I believe we need to see Kyler this year even if it’s only for 2 or 3 games. We need the eye test to decide just which road to take.

 

[kerouac9]

Interesting.

Tell us how you would proceed with this fact set please my friend:

1. Out of an abundance of caution (no rehab setbacks) K1 does not play in 2023.
2. Cardinals secure the #1 pick in the 2024 draft.
3. All the pretty 2023 college QBs are available for this draft and all have stated their intent to play for whomever drafts them. Williams, Maye, etc. play very well for the balance of the year. Williams edges out Maye for the 2023 Heisman award.

You are the Cardinals GM are on the clock to begin the draft. You have good trade offers on the table from other teams seeking the #1 pick.

What would you do? Would you pick a QB (K1 is not the guy), or would you make a trade and work on other parts of the roster (K1 has shown enough to at least be at the guy for 2024)?

I think I know what you'll say, but just once please for the record K9.

I don't see how "an abundance of caution" leads to K1 not playing in 2023.

It would depend on how he responds, honestly. Is he fighting to get on the field, still coming to the facility after he's officially shut down, engaged in meetings, etc. Is he bringing teammates to Marcos to run routes and take snaps from under center?

It would depend on my ability to trade Kyler for anything of value. You can't cut him, and you can't hold on to him with a top QB pick on the roster. If I can trade Kyler for a couple firsts, or a first and a second, then I'm truly hitting the reset button and I'll do that.

If I can't unload Kyler for a positive result, I probably trade out from #1 overall.

 

[football karma]

Many of us believe Kyler will thrive in this offense. There are a lot that have questions about him.
The quickest way to prominence would be for Kyler to be the guy and fill out this roster with talent.
That being said it would be a disaster should we stick with Kyler and find out he’s not the guy.

When we look back at Murray’s career there are highlites that no doubt are simply amazing which not to many people on this earth can do.
There are some , maybe fewer highlites, that scares the bejesus out of some.

That’s why I believe we need to see Kyler this year even if it’s only for 2 or 3 games. We need the eye test to decide just which road to take.

i would feel better about the future if we got a 7-8 game sample size of Kyler playing well in this offense

Gannon said Kyler will get significant playing time -- that sounds more than 2 or 3 games. 5? 7?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Do we tho?

Kyler has some boxes to tick I think about his ability to handle adversity and lead when the chips are down.

Right. What we 100% know is Kyler is capable of playing at an MVP level for long stretches (and if we are being honest there are roughly a dozen guys on the planet who can do this) but has worn down late in the season whether that be physically or mentally.

Need to see how much of that is him and how much is Kliff who’s teams have always cratered in the last half of every season at every level.