gamebird98
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Its all Brenda's fault...she has a DG Voodoo doll
Russ Smith said:I suspect he was referring more to draft status. Right or wrong there's a reason most of those guys you mentioned were drafted a lot higher than Josh.
Josh had the height, had the size, had the speed, had the arm, had the bloodlines(father a coach, brothers who played). But for some reason with all that going for him he had one good year in college, after transferring down to Sam houston State, and that's why he wasn't picked higher.
I just a few weeks ago was googling on Rohan Davey, right after we signed him, and found an old Senior Bowl report that Gil Brandt wrote about Davey. BEcause Davey and Josh were in the same draft and closely bunched together, he wrote about both of them.
He said both guys were asked to make a few mechanical adjustments and then throw, Davey really struggled, didn't want to do it, did, but looked bad doing it. Josh was eager to do what they wanted, made the changes, and looked OK. But he then said what struck him was the next drill was an accuracy and touch passing drill and he said Davey was dramatically better at it than Josh was. He said repeatedly Josh fired the ball high and when asked to throw touch passes he really struggled. His conclusion was that while Davey didn't like making the changes, he did and tried to make it work in the next drill. Josh willingly made the change in THAT drill, but immediately reverted back to his normal throwing motion in the next drill completely not getting that the point of the exercise was your mechanics cause you to be inaccurate, high, and we want to see if you can change that or not.
It struck me here we are several years later and Josh is still throwing high all the time. I suspect that what Brandt wrote then is at work to this day, Josh really WANTS to get better, but for some reason he just can't. You can tell him everyday for 4 years but he will still just wing it on the field and throw high over and over. Moore was all over for him on Sunday said he needs to be able to figure that out because nothing is worse than a QB who misses high.
DieHardFromMO said:Well, I much prefer Warner to McCown.
However, in consulting my McCown excuse-a-matic program, Warner didn't play well this coming Sunday against Seattle because he didn't have Anquan Boldin.
As we all know, if McCown were to continue to start the excuse of not having Anquan available would have been spit out immediately in order to explain his inept performance.
clif said:Yeah go ahead and get the excuses warmed up for next week.
clif said:Well if the problem is mechanical, then why in GOD's name wouldn't someone be out there working on his mechanics? I have never once heard anyone mention that they were working on his mechanics in any year he has been in the NFL.
If that is the issue, then we cheated ourselves because we never put him in the best situation to succeed.
clif said:Yeah go ahead and get the excuses warmed up for next week.
DieHardFromMO said:Warner is a much better qualified QB than Josh ever will be.
Russ Smith said:I kind of doubt he's been here 4 years throwing the ball high, and nobody ever told him you know you have a mechanical flaw?
Cards232 said:From what I understand, the line on the game went from 5.5 to 4 shortly after the announcement. Pretty telling don't ya think?
Russ Smith said:I suspect that's still the case with Josh, I kind of doubt he's been here 4 years throwing the ball high, and nobody ever told him you know you have a mechanical flaw? I just suspect that Josh has a hard time making the change and when under pressure, he reverts to his norm.
clif said:If McCown would show 1/2 of what any of the QB's mentioned above had there would be no coaching descions to be made.
This arguement is so ********. So you're saying that Josh who threw for 783 yards in 2 games (over 350 in each and had he done that the next would have set an NFL record ) has not shown half the ability of the other QB's.??? You're kidding right? If that is truely how you feel then there is no point in debating this with you, because you are living in a fantasy world. How many picks did Peyton throw his first year starting? No one is comparing the abilities of the above mentioned QB's to Josh... I am referring to the fact that they all were given the benefit of the doubt more times than this kid.
I too want this QB carousel to end, and it should. I dont think Warner is the answer but neither is McCown.
No arguement there, but why continually switch back and forth like a pair of underwear?
To compare him to guys like you mentioned is absurd. They all showed the ability to get the job done, read defenses, look downfield, and avoid the rush, yet Josh in his 4th season still cant do that.
Again no one is comparing Josh's abilites to the other's listed.
So the 396 yards against 49ers was all dump offs? How about the 383 against the Panthers? How many td passes when to running backs? Yeah it's soooo obvious he can't read defenses.... especially since he audibled into the TD pass to Fitz in the Panthers game
I will give you this, McCown and Harrington are about on par. whatever good that is.
Warner gives the Cardinals the best chance to win. PERIOD.
Win what? 1 or 2 games? Whoop!!
I can tell you for sure Green and company dont think the "season is over" and thats why they dont keep people like you and that defeatist attitude around. They want to win and starting Warner gives them the best chance. Now in the off season, we can address the QB situation, but right now McCown is on the bench where he belongs
Yeah and like my opinion makes a difference on how the team performs.
clif said:I have not seen or heard any evidence of that kind of attention paid to this kid's mechanics.
clif said:Got any facts to back that up with?
gamebird98 said:How Many NFL regular season starts does Josh have?
gamebird98 said:How Many NFL regular season starts does Josh have?
LVCARDFREAK said:The absurdity of this post is beyond repsonse. If you trly believe that Josh McCown in YEAR 4 has shown what the other QB's you mentioned have shown in their YEAR 4, then there is no need to talk about it. You are comparing 2 games of MCowns career (one of which he didnt win) to Payton Mannings rookies season?
Come on Clif, enough already. We know you love Josh, but quit trying to compare starters and great QB's now with Josh McCown. It weakens your arguement!
gamebird98 said:The line opened at 4
ajcardfan said:I believe the Dallas game was his 17th start.
LVCARDFREAK said:Not true, Stardust , Ceasars, and the Imperial Palace posted the game at -5.5