What QB Will We Draft in 1st Round?

[desertdawg]

You don't need a great qb for what? To putter around and just hope you sneak in the playoffs? The facts are obvious: the NFL is a QB driven league, and while they're are rare exceptions, if you don't have a great to elite QB, you ain't competing for a championship.

If you're not competing for a championship, or building to that, what is the point? We need a great to elite QB immediately, and until we get one, we shouldn't expect anything but mediocrity.

Sounds like the kid whining about his shoes while another kid (in the same shoes) runs and wins the race.

Pretty simple, the QBs you speak of...maybe 5 in the League right now. There is no guarantee that this draft will even add to that list. The teams that have them usually don't let them go, and never in their prime.

So if we can't get one right now, or even in the near future, I'll understand. We went and got the best available after the D-wreck saga, we don't have an offensive line (why can't folks understand that?). That's why Peyton didn't come. We don't have an offensive line. If we got an elite QB here tomorrow, he'd be out by the niner game most likely.

 

[D-Dogg]

You don't need a great qb for what? To putter around and just hope you sneak in the playoffs? The facts are obvious: the NFL is a QB driven league, and while they're are rare exceptions, if you don't have a great to elite QB, you ain't competing for a championship.

If you're not competing for a championship, or building to that, what is the point? We need a great to elite QB immediately, and until we get one, we shouldn't expect anything but mediocrity.

Those exceptions come when teams have elite defenses, which we are shaping up to have in 2 years.

A great QB tomorrow won't even help us, because we have the two worst tackles in the league. He'd be out by midseason.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ile-awards-for-every-offensive-lineman/page/6

2. Bobby Massie, Arizona

The mid-round rookie has shown why he fell so far in the draft. He has been thrown into the fire due to injuries and a dearth of talent at the position, and he has given up the most sacks in the league with nine.

The past couple of weeks have been particularly bad against Cameron Wake, Robert Quinn and Chris Long.

Turnstile Score: 6.29



1. D'Anthony Batiste, Arizona

What a terrible situation for Kevin Kolb and/or John Skelton in Arizona. Batiste was the worst pass-blocking tackle a few weeks ago, and he has not improved. That the Cardinals sport the two worst pass-blocking tackles is telling; it is a wonder they get anything going on offense.

Turnstile Score: 6.37

 

[snowthedirtbub]

Man people are giving Kolb enough credit. In 5.5 games he had almost a 60% completion 8 td to only 3 int. Heck he has even marched us down the field for a few game winning drives. He is good enough to win, evident by us, you know, winning against teams like Eagles, Patriots, and Seahawks. He has deserved another year behind a better o-line. Kolb isn't the problem with this team.

 

[desertdawg]

Those exceptions come when teams have elite defenses, which we are shaping up to have in 2 years.

A great QB tomorrow won't even help us, because we have the two worst tackles in the league. He'd be out by midseason.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ile-awards-for-every-offensive-lineman/page/6

And how low have we sunk as Az fans? We got folks waiting for our false starting bottom of the League Down Town Levi Brown to come back, stand around, and miraculously save our pitiful porous horribly coached O-line.

Levi may be better than what we have out there (and that aint saying jack for Levi), but if Grimm is still here, we can expect what we have always gotten from Levi.

We need a whole new philosaphy on O-line, tear it down right now like our QBs are getting torn down. Worst in the League for 3 years and we still run around arguing poetically and passionatly about QBs!!! Fire Grimm dot com should be open for any internet savy motivated individual. I'd visit and support the site.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

We have a better chance of putting together a good oline and good QB than hitting lightning in a bottle for a great QB, hoping he can be good behind this oline and hoping he can stay healthy.

No we don't. The odds of us finding five good linemen are less than finding one good QB. That's just math.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Sounds like the kid whining about his shoes while another kid (in the same shoes) runs and wins the race.

Sounds like the same level of discourse you bring to the Suns board.

Pretty simple, the QBs you speak of...maybe 5 in the League right now.

"if you don't have a great to elite QB"

5 great to elite qb's in the whole league huh?

There is no guarantee that this draft will even add to that list.

Who said their was a guarantee? But what other chance is there, as you so nicely state:

The teams that have them usually don't let them go, and never in their prime.

So if we can't get one right now, or even in the near future, I'll understand.

Understand what? That we have no intention to compete in the near future? Teams like the Redskins and Colts obviously have issues as well, but do you see anyone complaining about the cost of these QB's, even considering their draft cost?

We went and got the best available after the D-wreck saga,

Debatable, but in any event, it's been a failure. Whether or not you think Kolb is good, he's also incredibly injury prone and creates many of his own problems in terms of getting hit, whether it be not feeling pressure or hanging on to the ball too long.

As many here knew, it was only a matter of time before he was injured. Whether it was our joke of a line or his own pocket presence (or lack thereof), Kolb was going to get injured.

This isn't hindsight or MMQB'ing, the odds of Kolb making it through a the season healthy were extremely low. That is a failure on the the part of the front office. To bank on Kolb and Skelton for another year is an awful possibility.

That's why Peyton didn't come. We don't have an offensive line.

Must be cool being in Peyton's inner circle, would love to see you back this up with some real evidence.

If we got an elite QB here tomorrow, he'd be out by the niner game most likely.

Complete speculation. There are plenty of QB's that are effective behind questionable lines.

Am I saying keep the current merry band of crap together? Of course not, but OL has to be second priority to getting a great to elite QB.

 

[desertdawg]

Sounds like the same level of discourse you bring to the Suns board.



"if you don't have a great to elite QB"

5 great to elite qb's in the whole league huh?



Who said their was a guarantee? But what other chance is there, as you so nicely state:






Understand what? That we have no intention to compete in the near future? Teams like the Redskins and Colts obviously have issues as well, but do you see anyone complaining about the cost of these QB's, even considering their draft cost?




Debatable, but in any event, it's been a failure. Whether or not you think Kolb is good, he's also incredibly injury prone and creates many of his own problems in terms of getting hit, whether it be not feeling pressure or hanging on to the ball too long.

As many here knew, it was only a matter of time before he was injured. Whether it was our joke of a line or his own pocket presence (or lack thereof), Kolb was going to get injured.

This isn't hindsight or MMQB'ing, the odds of Kolb making it through a the season healthy were extremely low. That is a failure on the the part of the front office. To bank on Kolb and Skelton for another year is an awful possibility.



Must be cool being in Peyton's inner circle, would love to see you back this up with some real evidence.



Complete speculation. There are plenty of QB's that are effective behind questionable lines.

Am I saying keep the current merry band of crap together? Of course not, but OL has to be second priority to getting a great to elite QB.

I don't do the breakdown thingy, but I'll try and nail it quick like.

I would love an elite QB, it aint going to happen anytime soon. We don't have a questionable offensive line, we have the worst in the League and QBs can't take that kind of beating...speculation on your part to say "they can" and specualtion on my part saying "no way" just proves it's all hooplah. For this team to succeed the biggest thing to address right now and today is...the O-line. If you disagree than I aint got much else to say to you. Would we do better with a better QB? Duh. Will a better QB come here with this line? Can we get a better QB in the draft after starting 4-2 with a killer defense? You just want to fix what you don't like, and stick your head in the sand for the rest. Next you'll be talking tank the season while we have a winning record.

I listed a bunch of questions in hopes you would take all the time to break them down again.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm just glad I participated in this particular discussion. Rich and compelling.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm just glad I participated in this particular discussion. Rich and compelling.

It's a Cardinal tradition. Talking about the next year's draft starting in mid-October. Only the record is backward from the normal 2-4.

 

[az1965]

I think Skelton with a good Oline could be decent.

Spend the entire 2013 draft on Oline.

I kid you not.

FTFY

 

[kerouac9]

You know I have been on teh Tyler Wilson badnwagon for the last 2 years and I think he'll be the best. However, here's a not so glowing report on him from Russ Lande at the National Football Post:

"6016 (Verified ) 210 (Verified) 4.94 (Verified) Potential 3rd / 4th Round Pick
For a quarterback who entered the 2012 season viewed as a player who could challenge Matt Barkley to be the first quarterback taken in the 203 NFL Draft, his draft stock has been on an elevator straight down. No one questions Wilson’s arm strength and ability to make all the NFL throws with zip and accuracy, but the big issue has been his consistency. Despite the five touchdowns Wilson threw against Kentucky, he has not played with the same confidence and decisiveness that he did a season ago and must improve over the remainder of the season in order to be drafted within the first three rounds. Scouts we have spoken to have real concerns about Wilson’s ability to be a quality starter in the NFL based on his up and down play in 2012".

I have never seen him rated that low, and while Lande is a pretty respectable draft guy, it's only one guy's opinion. If the Cards could somehow manage to get Wilson in round 2, that'd be stealing. OG Channce Warmack in round 1, who more highly regarded than DeCastro, and Wilson in round 2 would be the ultimate draft.

However, I think Wilson goes top 15. The guy I can see the Cards taking is the wrong Tyler, Tyler Bray out of Tennessee. He's big at 6'6 and the guys Whiz has brought in, other than Kolb, have all been big guys with big arms(Scud, Skelton, Lindley) that lack accuracy and Bray fits that bill.

That's all concerning, but I think it makes Wilson an excellent "buy low" opportunity that may allow him to slip to the Cards. His good WR left for the NFL last year, and his offensive genius head coach banged a GA assistant and then laid his bike down with her on the back of it. D'oh.

Can Tyler Wilson be the 2013 draft edition of Christian Ponder? I think he could be.

The guy I'm taking off my board is Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma. My in-laws are huge OU fans, and they describe Landry Jones in exactly the same way I describe Kevin Kolb. They hate cheering for him, they think he looks at the rush, and they think that he needs ideal protection to be successful at the NCAA level.

No thanks.

 

[Chopper0080]

Sounds like the kid whining about his shoes while another kid (in the same shoes) runs and wins the race.

Pretty simple, the QBs you speak of...maybe 5 in the League right now. There is no guarantee that this draft will even add to that list. The teams that have them usually don't let them go, and never in their prime.

So if we can't get one right now, or even in the near future, I'll understand. We went and got the best available after the D-wreck saga, we don't have an offensive line (why can't folks understand that?). That's why Peyton didn't come. We don't have an offensive line. If we got an elite QB here tomorrow, he'd be out by the niner game most likely.

Disagree

Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Joe Flacco
Ben Roethlisberger
Andy Dalton
Tony Romo
Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan

on the verge
RGIII
Andrew Luck

That is 11 QBs who can get the job done despite the limitations of their teams with two on the way. I left out Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Matt Shaub, and Philip Rivers. Getting a servicable QB is not as impossible as people make it sound, but you have to make it a priority. Eli was traded for, Peyton was signed to a huge FA deal, and Brees was signed as a FA. Ryan, Stafford, Rodgers, Roethlisberger and Flacco were all first round picks. Yes you have to make smart choices, but Brady, Dalton and Romo are exceptions to the rule. We flubbed on Leinart but it shouldn't prevent us from shooting for the moon again.

 

[Mulli]

Disagree

Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Joe Flacco
Ben Roethlisberger
Andy Dalton
Tony Romo
Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan

on the verge
RGIII
Andrew Luck

That is 11 QBs who can get the job done despite the limitations of their teams with two on the way. I left out Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Matt Shaub, and Philip Rivers. Getting a servicable QB is not as impossible as people make it sound, but you have to make it a priority. Eli was traded for, Peyton was signed to a huge FA deal, and Brees was traded for. Ryan, Stafford, Rodgers, Roethlisberger and Flacco were all first round picks. Yes you have to make smart choices, but Brady, Dalton and Romo are exceptions to the rule. We flubbed on Leinart but it shouldn't prevent us from shooting for the moon again.

Tannehill is going alright as well. Kinda sorta.

 

[kerouac9]

Brees was signed as a free agent, Chopper.

 

[Chopper0080]

Brees was signed as a free agent, Chopper.

Quiet you.

 

[Chopper0080]

Tannehill is going alright as well. Kinda sorta.

They have to get him weapons, but I agree the talent is there.

 

[Mulli]

Quiet you.

He was traded for at some point.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's all concerning, but I think it makes Wilson an excellent "buy low" opportunity that may allow him to slip to the Cards. His good WR left for the NFL last year, and his offensive genius head coach banged a GA assistant and then laid his bike down with her on the back of it. D'oh.

Can Tyler Wilson be the 2013 draft edition of Christian Ponder? I think he could be.

The guy I'm taking off my board is Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma. My in-laws are huge OU fans, and they describe Landry Jones in exactly the same way I describe Kevin Kolb. They hate cheering for him, they think he looks at the rush, and they think that he needs ideal protection to be successful at the NCAA level.

No thanks.

I agree. Wilson has been dealt NFL level adversity as a senior in college where he is limited in how much time he can put in with coaches. I agree he is a fantastic "buy low" option and I would be willing to move up for him.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Quiet you.

Well played. Thank you for putting together the list.

 

[BigRedRage]

kicker

 

[slinslin]

RGIII is not only on the "verge" of getting things done, he is clearly the best and most imporntant player to the Redskins success already.

How are we going to get Geno Smith though, he seems by far the most likely to step in here and have some success right away.

 

[john h]

I agree. Wilson has been dealt NFL level adversity as a senior in college where he is limited in how much time he can put in with coaches. I agree he is a fantastic "buy low" option and I would be willing to move up for him.

Wilson had some injuries early but last week against Kentucky threw 5 TDs in less than 3 quarters before the game was called because of storms. He also lost 3 receivers he had last year to the NFL. I still think he is the best QB in the SEC and has all the tools the NFL looks for. He is an especially good leader and very well spoken and tough. He throws a nice spiral and is very accurate both long and short. I sure would make him my first pick but I bet he is gone when we draft. I know I am a homer but watching him in nearly all his games I think he is an NFL starting QB. I am a Cards fan first and if there were a better QB in my mind I would want him. Wilson is the best QB we have had in many years. The Cards have to take a gamble on a QB this year no matter what. He is as good a gamble as any of the other QBs I have seen. Of course I have not seen many. He will be facing some tough SEC teams the rest of the year so we will get to see a lot more of him.

 

[desertdawg]

Disagree

Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Joe Flacco
Ben Roethlisberger
Andy Dalton
Tony Romo
Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan

on the verge
RGIII
Andrew Luck

That is 11 QBs who can get the job done despite the limitations of their teams with two on the way. I left out Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Matt Shaub, and Philip Rivers. Getting a servicable QB is not as impossible as people make it sound, but you have to make it a priority. Eli was traded for, Peyton was signed to a huge FA deal, and Brees was signed as a FA. Ryan, Stafford, Rodgers, Roethlisberger and Flacco were all first round picks. Yes you have to make smart choices, but Brady, Dalton and Romo are exceptions to the rule. We flubbed on Leinart but it shouldn't prevent us from shooting for the moon again.

I was talking elite QBs, not QBs you think are better than Kolb. I can chop that list up rather easily, but I'm a lazy hippie today so it's all good. I would knock the number up to 7 or 8 instead of the 5 I had originally talked about, if that makes you feel any better.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I was talking elite QBs, not QBs you think are better than Kolb. I can chop that list up rather easily, but I'm a lazy hippie today so it's all good. I would knock the number up to 7 or 8 instead of the 5 I had originally talked about, if that makes you feel any better.

Ha, talk about moving the goal posts. The discussion was always great to elite qb's and you were wrong, so now change the argument.

And there sure as hell are more than 11 QB's that are better than KK. I know you're infatuated with Kolb, but if you don't see that, well, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[desertdawg]

Ha, talk about moving the goal posts. The discussion was always great to elite qb's and you were wrong, so now change the argument.

And there sure as hell are more than 11 QB's that are better than KK. I know you're infatuated with Kolb, but if you don't see that, well, I don't know what to tell you.

Posts like these. That's why nobody takes your posts seriously.