Who is the Star the Suns could get or event want?

[PhxGametime]

If McDonough is going to keep mentioning possibly Trading for a star/semi-star 25 or younger NBA player - DeRozan, Hayward, Turner, Love, Favors, Thompson, Parsons, Barnes, Monroe, E Gordon, Sanders, Kanter, Bradley, Evans, Henson, etc. could be options??

Maybe add a few more but I'm wondering who it could be?? I'm not super high on Love but he would be an upgrade and as long as deal isn't overly in favor of Wolves - I might be interested.

Eric Gordon/Tyreke Evans or Larry Sanders could come a lot cheaper, via Trade than most of the others...

 

[Phrazbit]

lol. Sorry. Dragic makes the Suns go. Try again.

Quite the insipid response. I was going to make a post detailing the counter argument of Bledsoe being equally if not more important (as our record strongly suggests) but seeing as your go to response is "lol, Try again"... whats the point?

I've never actually put someone on ignore on these forums but I think you may end up being the exception if you continue to behave like an uninspired troll.

 

[marios13]

I may be biassed, but you put it like all those losses after Bledsoe was injured are Dragics fault.

I have to remind you there were 2 people with consisten .45+ FG who scored a lot while they were together and helped each other. Both a danger to other teams consistently. Not Ish, Green, Barbosa, Moriss twins and Frye who play hot one day and go completely cold the next.

If you check the games Phoenix that were close there were always at least 2 of the ones I named with a FG% of less than .25 .

 

[Mainstreet]

I may be biassed, but you put it like all those losses after Bledsoe was injured are Dragics fault.

I have to remind you there were 2 people with consisten .45+ FG who scored a lot while they were together and helped each other. Both a danger to other teams consistently. Not Ish, Green, Barbosa, Moriss twins and Frye who play hot one day and go completely cold the next.

If you check the games Phoenix that were close there were always at least 2 of the ones I named with a FG% of less than .25 .

Welcome aboard.

Your point is well taken that Dragic and Bledsoe work best as a tandem, sharing the load.

 

[Catlover]

I may be biassed, but you put it like all those losses after Bledsoe was injured are Dragics fault.

I have to remind you there were 2 people with consisten .45+ FG who scored a lot while they were together and helped each other. Both a danger to other teams consistently. Not Ish, Green, Barbosa, Moriss twins and Frye who play hot one day and go completely cold the next.

If you check the games Phoenix that were close there were always at least 2 of the ones I named with a FG% of less than .25 .

It could be bias but I suspect it's mostly a language issue. No one here has said anything such as this. Dragic is clearly our best player right now. The question is whether that's still the case when Bledsoe is healthy. Either way you want to answer it, it's clear that we are a much stronger team when Dragic and Bledsoe are both available and at full strength. With the two of them out there we are one of the better teams in the league.

 

[slinslin]

Dragic has disappeared in some crucial games at crucial times after Bledsoe went down.

 

[Phrazbit]

I may be biassed, but you put it like all those losses after Bledsoe was injured are Dragics fault.

I have to remind you there were 2 people with consisten .45+ FG who scored a lot while they were together and helped each other. Both a danger to other teams consistently. Not Ish, Green, Barbosa, Moriss twins and Frye who play hot one day and go completely cold the next.

If you check the games Phoenix that were close there were always at least 2 of the ones I named with a FG% of less than .25 .

Its no one's fault, the team simply is not as good without Bledsoe. He is their best defender and their 2nd best scoring option.

 

[Mainstreet]

Dragic has disappeared in some crucial games at crucial times after Bledsoe went down.

The Suns had to revise their player rotation after Bledsoe went down, like starting Green at SG and adding Barbosa to give the Suns more penetration which is something the Suns missed without Bledsoe. Dragic was asked to do a lot during this period to make things work. The Suns have rebounded well considering Bledsoe was a huge loss both offensively and defensively. If it had been the other way around, Dragic being the one injured and Bledsoe was the starting PG during this period, I don't think the Suns record would be as good.

 

[Catlover]

Dragic has disappeared in some crucial games at crucial times after Bledsoe went down.

Dragic has played very well since Bledsoe went down. It's a lot easier for defenses to shut him down when Eric is missing just as it was a lot easier for opponents to do the same to Bledsoe when Dragic was out for awhile. Goran hasn't simply "disappeared" as you put it, he's been schemed out of the game at times. It's much easier to keep one player from penetrating if you only have one player that can create his own shot. We weren't the most talented team in the league before and now we have that amount minus our best player. That's not a recipe for success.

Hopefully some of the pressure will be lifted with Barbosa getting back into form and Green evolving his game.

 

[slinslin]

Demar DeRozan
Evan Turner
Larry Sanders
Jeff Green

those kind of guys could be players we would look at for the right price (Okafor and maybe a pick unless it is a bad contract like Green then we should get the pick), not 30 year olds.

Not sure any of them is worth giving up anything for. We could just try to sign someone like Turner as a FA and that might be the better move.

 

[Sci Fi]

The Suns have zero need for any of those players. Overpaid and inefficient is not the way to go.

 

[slinslin]

Young and with room for improvement, yes these are exactly the players the Suns would keep an eye on, not 1 year rentals like Gasol.

 

[marios13]

My point was exactly as someone else put it all the teams know the biggest problem right now is Dragic so they try to shut him down early. With 2 almost equally fast and accurate PGs they had a much harder job of doing it. Also in the general confusion of where the danger is coming from now the other players had a lot of freedom for getting in the open and getting nice assists.

If they succeed shutting down Dragic and if Fry or Green didn't have a good night with 3 pts the game was basically already over. When Dragic scored 25+ points and Suns lost, the FG% of other main players were a disaster. With Barbosa the situation has improved a lot, cause lets face it Ish is only good at passing the ball and Dragic was regularly playing over 35+ minutes per game.

But as I said I will be biased because Dragic is in my national team

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Suns need to learn from the Pacers.

They had a pick and young players that they thought were expendable. They traded them to Phoenix for a veteran piece that they thought was the answer for their championship quest.

They lost the trade. At first, it just seemed to be a mutually beneficial trade, but Scola has been disappointing. Most Pacers fans right now say they lost.

They traded players with potential for a what Scola used to be, not what he is.

The Suns will rue the day they messed with Gasol (if indeed they do).

 

[slinslin]

Anyone who believes that Plumlee or Green could have done for the Pacers what they bring us are kidding themselves.

Plumlee and Green thrive in the system we play, put them back on the Pacers and they would struggle.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I'm still on the Lance Stephenson bandwagon. He's a UFA and the Pacers will be at 63ish million if they renounce Granger's rights (no-brainer at this point). The projected Luxury tax line is at 71.6m but jumps to 75.7 end of next year (2014-2015 season).

It's an extreme longshot but I think he'd be a great fit.

 

[sunsfan88]

Anyone who believes that Plumlee or Green could have done for the Pacers what they bring us are kidding themselves.

Plumlee and Green thrive in the system we play, put them back on the Pacers and they would struggle.

Yea I'll agree with this. Their both nothing more than benchwarmers for teams for teams that don't play at a fast pace.

Kinda like how D'Antoni systems made PGs look better than they actually were, our system makes certain players look better than they actually are.

 

[slinslin]

I'm still on the Lance Stephenson bandwagon. He's a UFA and the Pacers will be at 63ish million if they renounce Granger's rights (no-brainer at this point). The projected Luxury tax line is at 71.6m but jumps to 75.7 end of next year (2014-2015 season).

It's an extreme longshot but I think he'd be a great fit.

Stephenson is overrated. He seems like a potential headcase too.

His PER is only like 15.9. That is not very efficient.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I'll give you the potential headcase, but he's also playing as the 3rd option (sometimes 4th) on the team.

 

[overseascardfan]

Give me Greg Monroe or Evan Turner.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm still on the Lance Stephenson bandwagon. He's a UFA and the Pacers will be at 63ish million if they renounce Granger's rights (no-brainer at this point). The projected Luxury tax line is at 71.6m but jumps to 75.7 end of next year (2014-2015 season).

It's an extreme longshot but I think he'd be a great fit.

I agree! Stephenson and Harrison Barnes are the two players I really wish the Suns could get. No way to get Barnes, but I think it's possible to get Stephenson.

 

[Hoop Head]

I was thinking with all the talk of finding a star mostly matching what the Suns currently need position wise, preferably a Power Forward but could use help really at Small Forward or Center also. What if the team went another direction and traded Bledsoe? Here is a trade I was thinking, it works salary wise and also because Oklahoma has shown they can play well without him. We would probably need to pitch in some picks but depending on which picks and how many I would make this deal.

Suns send - Bledsoe, Okafor, Len and Green
Thunder send - Westbrook and Perkins

The trade still works salary wise without Len so he doesn't have to be part of the deal. If he was though I would think less picks would need to be included and also worse picks could be used. He has shown a good amount of potential recently and I wouldn't want to lose him as just a throw in but the trade works with or without him. Same goes for Green also, if Len is included he doesn't need to be to make it work with salaries. Both could go and it would work but if I had to choose one to keep I'd keep Len.

Why Oklahoma would do the trade is fairly simple. They gain assets in the draft picks plus Len, if included, shred some salary to get some flexibility losing Perkins contract and getting Westbrook off the books for the next 4 year. They have shown they can play really well without him and I think Bledsoe and Green make up for what Westbrook would provide. Bledsoe is a little bit younger and will be a little easier on their cap long term also.

Phoenix has shown they are ok without Bledsoe and Westbrook would be an upgrade. Dragic has shown he can play with another ball dominant guard as well. Perkins can be moved in the off season or next year as an expiring contract and having Westbrook locked up for the next 4 years is better than possibly over paying to keep Bledsoe considering he may not be a max player but they may have to pay max money to keep him. Westbrook is a max player plus I think he would be ok with being the primary focus of the offense, in OK he will always be secondary to Durant.

Thoughts?


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[Catlover]

I was thinking with all the talk of finding a star mostly matching what the Suns currently need position wise, preferably a Power Forward but could use help really at Small Forward or Center also. What if the team went another direction and traded Bledsoe? Here is a trade I was thinking, it works salary wise and also because Oklahoma has shown they can play well without him. We would probably need to pitch in some picks but depending on which picks and how many I would make this deal.

Suns send - Bledsoe, Okafor, Len and Green
Thunder send - Westbrook and Perkins

The trade still works salary wise without Len so he doesn't have to be part of the deal. If he was though I would think less picks would need to be included and also worse picks could be used. He has shown a good amount of potential recently and I wouldn't want to lose him as just a throw in but the trade works with or without him. Same goes for Green also, if Len is included he doesn't need to be to make it work with salaries. Both could go and it would work but if I had to choose one to keep I'd keep Len.

Why Oklahoma would do the trade is fairly simple. They gain assets in the draft picks plus Len, if included, shred some salary to get some flexibility losing Perkins contract and getting Westbrook off the books for the next 4 year. They have shown they can play really well without him and I think Bledsoe and Green make up for what Westbrook would provide. Bledsoe is a little bit younger and will be a little easier on their cap long term also.

Phoenix has shown they are ok without Bledsoe and Westbrook would be an upgrade. Dragic has shown he can play with another ball dominant guard as well. Perkins can be moved in the off season or next year as an expiring contract and having Westbrook locked up for the next 4 years is better than possibly over paying to keep Bledsoe considering he may not be a max player but they may have to pay max money to keep him. Westbrook is a max player plus I think he would be ok with being the primary focus of the offense, in OK he will always be secondary to Durant.

Thoughts?


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We have? We beat a very good team twice but other than that we've really struggled without Eric. The only thing that has saved us is that we've been beating up on some of the worst teams in the league (Phi, Cle, Milwaukee twice etc). Maybe we've adjusted to his loss and this four game road sweep is an indicator of things to come but it's too early to say that with confidence. It was just a week ago that we were coming up short against a sub .500 Washington team and that was a home game for us.

If our medical group buys into a Westbrook trade that might be a nice option for us (if they are willing to move him). I can't see why they'd want Bledsoe though as one of the reasons it might make sense is that Westbrook is not a pass first point guard and his need to have the ball in his hands takes away from Durant's game. Bledsoe wouldn't change that dynamic, in fact he'd just be a less efficient version of him.

It would probably require a multi-team trade. I'd be willing to include Okafor, Bledsoe and three of our picks but I'd prefer to keep Green and Len. I can't imagine they'd put enough value on either of those players to be the reason the deal went through and they fit in well with our team.

 

[elindholm]

Suns send - Bledsoe, Okafor, Len and Green
Thunder send - Westbrook and Perkins

I'd give up the Suns' entire roster for Westbrook without a second thought.

 

[AfroSuns]

I'd give up the Suns' entire roster for Westbrook without a second thought.

Wow! i hope this is speaking figuratively, if not.....wow!