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They discussed the DW situation on the Doug & Wolf show this morning along with Paul Calvisi.

Wolf doesn't think DW will be playing in 2015. Calvisi feels that the reason DW waiting almost 38 days before filing was that he was not in compliance with NFL policy. It was all speculation but none were positive.
 

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at this point, I have to go with Washington waited because he's either an idiot, has no dedication to the team or did something stupid and needed to wait that long. He's EARNED that opinion with his actions over the last three years of one stupid decision after another.
 

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Maybe he wanted to enjoy his favorite summertime recreational activity for as long as possible and leave some additional time for it to get out of his system...

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That is what I was thinking. 6 weeks is the rule for thumb for that type of cleansing.

Not a good sign at all.

Even if he gets back on the field, I think when he shakes the rust off he will find himself to be, at best, 75% of the player he once was. And if he is not starting, where is the motivation going to come from ? This guy got his money in the bank, and he is done, IMO.
 
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Even if he gets back on the field, I think when he shakes the rust off he will find himself to be, at best, 75% of the player he once was. And if he is not starting, where is the motivation going to come from ? This guy got his money in the bank, and he is done, IMO.

This has been my concerns as well. I doubt he can ever be the player he was after all this time away.
 

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I still find it really weird that some people here have made Goodell the ultimate bad guy here, as opposed to the guy who's not only put this team in a terrible position multiple times, but was also convicted of assaulting a woman. Sports make people say and feel really odd things.
 

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I still find it really weird that some people here have made Goodell the ultimate bad guy here, as opposed to the guy who's not only put this team in a terrible position multiple times, but was also convicted of assaulting a woman. Sports make people say and feel really odd things.

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It isn't like the rules on substance abuse were unknown when Washington got drafted. If your employers make rules and you choose to ignore them--not just once but multiple times it is you who is to blame. Then he went and compounded it with a DV issue.

The team can't count on this guy
 

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I still find it really weird that some people here have made Goodell the ultimate bad guy here, as opposed to the guy who's not only put this team in a terrible position multiple times, but was also convicted of assaulting a woman. Sports make people say and feel really odd things.

You're missing the point. D-Wash's poor life choices happened over 14 months ago. In those 14 months, we've discussed those issues ad nauseum to the point in which it's become perseveration.

Now that we're at the period in which D-Wash should be reinstated, we're pontificating about what the final outcome will be and when we're going to find out. Another layer to this case is how the commissioner and the rest of the league have handled other player's punishments of late, which has been questionable at best.

D-Wash's poor life choices and Goodell's inability to hand down punishments without scrutiny are two separate issues, which are about to intersect any given day.
 
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I still find it really weird that some people here have made Goodell the ultimate bad guy here, as opposed to the guy who's not only put this team in a terrible position multiple times, but was also convicted of assaulting a woman. Sports make people say and feel really odd things.

Agree.

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at this point, I have to go with Washington waited because he's either an idiot, has no dedication to the team or did something stupid and needed to wait that long. He's EARNED that opinion with his actions over the last three years of one stupid decision after another.

Pretty much what I was going to say in my previous post but decided not to so people wouldn't say I am not giving the guy a fair chance and I am making assumptions which brings me back to my original statement, my gut feeling is he will not be a member of the Arizona Cardinals this season and if he isn't rostered this season then he will never be an Arizona Cardinal again.
 

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You're missing the point. D-Wash's poor life choices happened over 14 months ago. In those 14 months, we've discussed those issues ad nauseum to the point in which it's become perseveration.

Now that we're at the period in which D-Wash should be reinstated, we're pontificating about what the final outcome will be and when we're going to find out. Another layer to this case is how the commissioner and the rest of the league have handled other player's punishments of late, which has been questionable at best.

D-Wash's poor life choices and Goodell's inability to hand down punishments without scrutiny are two separate issues, which are about to intersect any given day.

and yet it seems like you're just assuming fault on Goodell's part here... even though Washington waited six weeks to apply for reinstatement and has a track history of doing incredibly stupid and hurtful things. And while I agree about the layer of the case you bring up re: Goodell's other punishments, the second layer of the case, and newest/most headscratching one is that Washington waited six weeks. That in of itself is a problem for the team, who says all the right things about preparing as if they're moving on without him, but you know would have liked to know earlier if that was going to come to pass.
 
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Pretty much what I was going to say in my previous post but decided not to so people wouldn't say I am not giving the guy a fair chance and I am making assumptions which brings me back to my original statement, my gut feeling is he will not be a member of the Arizona Cardinals this season and if he isn't rostered this season then he will never be an Arizona Cardinal again.

honestly, I don't know why anyone believes the guy deserves a fair shake at this point. as far as I'm concerned, the burden of proof is on his end to prove that waiting six weeks after he could apply for reinstatement isn't just another in a long line of stupid decisions on his part. he's done everything in the world to deserve that kind of doubt.
 

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and yet you're just assuming fault on Goodell's part here... even though Washington waited six weeks to apply for reinstatement and has a track history of doing incredibly stupid and hurtful things.

Fault for what? I'm simply elaborating that because of Goodell's recent rulings, it's hard to pinpoint where he's going with this case. The fact that almost all of his rulings are getting challenged and successfully appealed in the judicial system shows he has no instructional control over the players; and if he levies an excessively punitive punishment, which seems to be the conclusion, the outcome will be no different.

I'm just as curious as you to know why his application was submitted late, but because of the tight-lipped nature of this whole situation, it's hard to even come up with a logical conclusion. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

In a nutshell, here's what we know:

  • Washington was suspended for 12 months on 5/31/14
  • Washington applied for reinstatement 5/8/15
  • It's been 68 days since his application, and per policy, should've been resolved by the 60 day mark
  • Washington has had his sentence and probation reduced
  • Washington faces further penalty for the domestic violence case
 
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That is what I was thinking. 6 weeks is the rule for thumb for that type of cleansing.

Not a good sign at all.

Even if he gets back on the field, I think when he shakes the rust off he will find himself to be, at best, 75% of the player he once was. And if he is not starting, where is the motivation going to come from ? This guy got his money in the bank, and he is done, IMO.
75% of DWaste is 200% better than Minter.
 

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Fault for what? I'm simply elaborating that because of Goodell's recent rulings, it's hard to pinpoint where he's going with this case. The fact that almost all of his rulings are getting challenged and successfully appealed in the judicial system shows he has no instructional control over the players; and if he levies an excessively punitive punishment, which seems to be the conclusion, the outcome will be no different.

I'm just as curious as you to know why his application was submitted late, but because of the tight-lipped nature of this whole situation, it's hard to even come up with a logical conclusion. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

In a nutshell, here's what we know:

  • Washington was suspended for 12 months on 5/31/14
  • Washington applied for reinstatement 5/8/15
  • It's been 68 days since his application, and per policy, should've been resolved by the 60 day mark
  • Washington has had his sentence and probation reduced
  • Washington faces further penalty for the domestic violence case

You've had a national holiday in the interim and extensions for a host of reasons may be given if all parties agree.
 

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honestly, I don't know why anyone believes the guy deserves a fair shake at this point. as far as I'm concerned, the burden of proof is on his end to prove that waiting six weeks after he could apply for reinstatement isn't just another in a long line of stupid decisions on his part. he's done everything in the world to deserve that kind of doubt.

Well said. I'm all for innocent until proven guilty in a legal sense, but once you're found guilty the burden of proof rests on the guilty party.

And people act like he just needs to get back to "even" with the Cardinals. For instance, if he was an 8 out of 10 on a scale of trust, people act like after dropping that to 0 that all he needs to do is get back to an 8, and I disagree with that. After destroying the team trust, he can't just get back to where he was before and call it even, because where he was before obviously wasn't close to good enough.

Does he deserve forgiveness? Obviously, I believe we're a nation founded on forgiveness frankly--people can and do change their lives. But it isn't easy, and it isn't as easy as going into rehab or taking some domestic violence classes and checking all the right boxes.

Tyrann Matheiu is the epitome of elevating his trustworthiness to levels it wasn't at before. Look at the juxtaposition of how they've each handled their situations (I should note that I wasn't on board with the pick and thought it would be a complete disaster). He almost lost his whole career before it even got started, but he gave media interviews, he talked about his issues, he got help for his issues, he talked publicly about it, he talked publicly about how it effected him and what he was doing to correct the situation. That's all before he even entered the NFL, mind you, and yet he still discussed it after completing his programs and changing his life. He wanted people to know. It was important to him that people didn't view him a certain way, it was important that people understood how seriously he took football, how seriously he took his teammates (seriously, listen to Tyrann talk about his teammates and coaches and family after his issues in college up until the current day, he values what a team means and what he can bring to that team and how he let them down).

I haven't heard much of that from 'Wash. He's a professional athlete and one of the best at his position, and could call a press conference at any time and have a lot more exposure than Tyrann did. Tyrann went out on a limb, doing it every step of the process, because he had no idea if anyone even gave a crap, for all he knew scouts viewed him as a total waste and a bust. Yet he did it anyway because he was changing his life, it wasn't just words. Wasn't just media garbage or filler. He did it because it meant something to his team, family, coaches, etc, and even if he didn't get drafted he wanted to take the blame. Again, I haven't heard that from 'Wash yet.

There's a difference between real and perceived change. In one instance I know it's real, because he basically did a Hari Kari in the media and emptied his guts multiple times over a period of years. He continues to speak up about things that matter to his character. In the other instance I have no clue what's going on. I haven't even heard the dude say he wants to play football.
 

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There's a difference between real and perceived change. In one instance I know it's real, because he basically did a Hari Kari in the media and emptied his guts multiple times over a period of years. He continues to speak up about things that matter to his character. In the other instance I have no clue what's going on. I haven't even heard the dude say he wants to play football.

For me this says it all about DWeed. He has done nothing to prove anything has changed with him.
 

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For me this says it all about DWeed. He has done nothing to prove anything has changed with him.
If all the reports are correct, that's just a completely untrue and uninformed statement. He has not failed a drug test, finished the DV program early, and has not been in any trouble or had any issues off the field.

It's hypocritical to continue to bash him for 2 years, or so, of undesirable behavior and then turn around and not give him credit for 2 years of desirable behavior.
 

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If all the reports are correct, that's just a completely untrue and uninformed statement. He has not failed a drug test, finished the DV program early, and has not been in any trouble or had any issues off the field.

It's hypocritical to continue to bash him for 2 years, or so, of undesirable behavior and then turn around and not give him credit for 2 years of desirable behavior.

This reminds me of the old Chris Rock "I take care of my kids!" bit. DWash is SUPPOSED to not be doing drugs and beating his lady friends. You don't get extra credit for doing things that you're supposed to be doing. Just because you attend they classes doesn't mean that they sunk in. DWash doesn't get credit for doing the minimum possible to get back the $10M or whatever he has coming--well, the minimum except for flinging his reinstatement paperwork on time.
 
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This reminds me of the old Chris Rock "I take care of my kids!" bit. DWash is SUPPOSED to not be doing drugs and beating his lady friends. You don't get extra credit for doing things that you're supposed to be doing. Just because you attend they classes doesn't mean that they sunk in. DWash doesn't get credit for doing the minimum possible to get back the $10M or whatever he has coming--well, the minimum except for flinging his reinstatement paperwork on time.

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This reminds me of the old Chris Rock "I take care of my kids!" bit. DWash is SUPPOSED to not be doing drugs and beating his lady friends. You don't get extra credit for doing things that you're supposed to be doing. Just because you attend they classes doesn't mean that they sunk in. DWash doesn't get credit for doing the minimum possible to get back the $10M or whatever he has coming--well, the minimum except for flinging his reinstatement paperwork on time.
It doesn't mean the classes haven't sunk in either. All we have to go on so far, is that they have. Who knows if it will last but there's just as good a chance that they do as they don't.


Everyone knows he wasn't supposed to do those thing, thus, the suspension. Who knows what route DW will take? He could go the Chris Carter route or the Justin Blackmon route. So far, for the last year and half he's been on good behavior. If you going to criticize for the previous years where he made mistakes, he deserve credit, so far, for rectifying them.
 

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It doesn't mean the classes haven't sunk in either. All we have to go on so far, is that they have. Who knows if it will last but there's just as good a chance that they do as they don't.


Everyone knows he wasn't supposed to do those thing, thus, the suspension. Who knows what route DW will take? He could go the Chris Carter route or the Justin Blackmon route. So far, for the last year and half he's been on good behavior. If you going to criticize for the previous years where he made mistakes, he deserve credit, so far, for rectifying them.

As K9 said he really doesn't deserve much credit for doing the things he should have been doing all along. He made a correction in course and as K9 also said he had $10 million in incentives to do so. I guess I just don't have faith that he will continue on course.
 

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As K9 said he really doesn't deserve much credit for doing the things he should have been doing all along. He made a correction in course and as K9 also said he had $10 million in incentives to do so. I guess I just don't have faith that he will continue on course.

and even with that correction course, he put the team in the lurch AGAIN, extending his limbo and how the team will gameplan the entire season by waiting 6 weeks to re-apply for reinstatement after he was able to do so.
 

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and even with that correction course, he put the team in the lurch AGAIN, extending his limbo and how the team will gameplan the entire season by waiting 6 weeks to re-apply for reinstatement after he was able to do so.

He missed no time on the field from what I see, and with the likelihood of a further suspension, I doubt that he'd have been in any game plan at this point.

(15 yard penalty for piling on.. ;)
 

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It doesn't mean the classes haven't sunk in either. All we have to go on so far, is that they have. Who knows if it will last but there's just as good a chance that they do as they don't.


Everyone knows he wasn't supposed to do those thing, thus, the suspension. Who knows what route DW will take? He could go the Chris Carter route or the Justin Blackmon route. So far, for the last year and half he's been on good behavior. If you going to criticize for the previous years where he made mistakes, he deserve credit, so far, for rectifying them.

No, he doesn't. And he hasn't even been doing his full responsibility to join the team as soon as possible, because he delayed submitting his paperwork(!) for reinstatement by more than a month. Maybe he'll turn his life around and he'll come back and be the leader that he never was in his five years playing football.

But you don't get credit for hiding in a hole and not doing anything bad that we know of during the year-plus that you've been out of the league.

EDIT: Do we even know that the NFL has been testing Washington during his suspension? He's effectively out of the league — the word that comes up over and over in the press is "Banishment." Washington could say that he hasn't faild a drug test in the last 10 months and be truthful if he hasn't had to submit to one.
 
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