Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

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That report is laughable. Fantasy land stuff.
 

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You’re presuming the prediction was based solely on roster and not including coaching and that the + was solely attributed to coaching and not players outperforming their individual projections.
But according to many on this board, the coaches have a huge impact on player performance.

Personally I thought all the prognostications were wrong. I thought the Seahawks were going to be worse and the Niners weren't going to stay healthy.

I know we both thought the range was between 7-11 wins. For me the low end was big time injuries. The team was actually better than I thought because the team did face quite a few injuries to important players, but still win 11 games.
 

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Need to make 2 moves. Fire DC VJ and hire Flores as DC/Assistant HC and hire a OC/QB coach who can work with KK. Not sure who for OC/QB coach.This has already been suggested I think....
 

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But according to many on this board, the coaches have a huge impact on player performance.

Personally I thought all the prognostications were wrong. I thought the Seahawks were going to be worse and the Niners weren't going to stay healthy.

I know we both thought the range was between 7-11 wins. For me the low end was big time injuries. The team was actually better than I thought because the team did face quite a few injuries to important players, but still win 11 games.
Of course the coaches have an impact on how the players play, just as the talent and effort and intelligence of the players has an impact on what the coaches can call in terms of plays or alignment. Everything is symbiotic on a team. So to look at any stat and say it’s 100% attributable to X or to Y is a silly argument. But it becomes even moreso when it’s such a nebulous stat such as volatility of wins verses projected wins. That stat has absolutely zero evidence what the outcome is attributable to. It could be players, coaching, injuries, weird circumstances (like Covid decimating an opponent in a given week), etc. particularly when people point to a +\- of just 1-3 games which could be attributable to a missed fg (Vikings) or some such similarly random/weird outcome. Looking at five year numbers is a bit better as there’s more data, but I’d still say that the margin of error over five years is something like +\- 5. So over a 3 year period it’s likely +\- 3-4 games. So the cards are likely spot on, or close to projections over than span.
 
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Need to make 2 moves. Fire DC VJ and hire Flores as DC/Assistant HC and hire a OC/QB coach who can work with KK. Not sure who for OC/QB coach.This has already been suggested I think....

I'm sure Mike Bidwill, as an owner, would be up for hiring a guy who is suing the League and by extension him.
 

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Michael Bidwill moves Steve Keim's (Milton Keim) desk. Michael comes by and moves him for the last time.
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The best thing that's happened this off-season is Jim Harbaugh returning to Michigan so we have a shot at him next year. Keim & Kliff have to go.
He said he's done looking at NFL jobs. Obviously things change, but he said he was all in on Minnesota, but isn't going to put michigan through that every year.
 

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So I've read comments about the salary cap being a major issue for the Cards fielding a half respectable team next year. Yet the Rams, who are $10 million over the cap can easily "keep the band together" (Per Bleacher report I think) for another run at SB. What makes their cap situation better than the Cards?
 

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So I've read comments about the salary cap being a major issue for the Cards fielding a half respectable team next year. Yet the Rams, who are $10 million over the cap can easily "keep the band together" (Per Bleacher report I think) for another run at SB. What makes their cap situation better than the Cards?

The simple answer is that the Rams have been able to draft better. For example, we have to use our cap space re-signing players like Ertz and Conner, because Keim hasn't drafted a decent running back or tight end in years. The Rams have Higbee and Akers returning on cheap contracts, and can focus on putting high end veterans in key places. That's just TE and RB, but is applicable to many other position groups as well. Also, Whitworth retiring will clear up over $16 million. So all they have to do is find a tackle and run it back.
 

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The simple answer is that the Rams have been able to draft better. For example, we have to use our cap space re-signing players like Ertz and Conner, because Keim hasn't drafted a decent running back or tight end in years. The Rams have Higbee and Akers returning on cheap contracts, and can focus on putting high end veterans in key places. That's just TE and RB, but is applicable to many other position groups as well. Also, Whitworth retiring will clear up over $16 million. So all they have to do is find a tackle and run it back.
Higbee got paid. He isn't cheap.
 
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