Arizona Diamondbacks @ Colorado Rockies series thread. 09/16/24-09/18/24

[82CardsGrad]

Well, they are in a playoff slot for at least the next day or two. Puk should be the closer, with Mantiply and Martinez in set up roles. The rest of the bullpen is complete and utter crap - mop up duty only. In the playoff push (and during the playoffs), you go with the hot hands - not guys with ERAs approaching 6 over the last month or two.

I struggle with responding to these posts...
I could say, "Sure, use Puk as the closer." But of course, given the shakiness of J-Mart, the odds would be pretty solid that Puk wouldn't see many closing opportunities.
I could say, "Sure, ONLY use Puk, Mantiply and Martinez." But of course, they would quickly be burned out, which, within a mere week or so, would be leaking oil all over the place, not to mention the lingering negative impact that would surface in the post season, if they got there.

I struggle with these posts because they are so illogical. I will say that honing the pen down to just a few guys is often done - once a team makes the post season! But in the regular season, it's illogical, impractical, irresponsible and ultimately, ineffective.

 

[Ronin]

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#Dbacks 1B Christian Walker is 5 for 6 against tonight's Rockies' starter RHP Ryan Feltner.2 2B, 2 HR, 6 RBI, BB, .833 AVG, 2.167 SLG, 3.042 OPSFeltner's last three starts v. ARZ:12.0 IP, 16 H, 15 R, 12 ER, 2 HR, HBP, 8 BB, 10 K

 

[krazy2k]

I struggle with responding to these posts...
I could say, "Sure, use Puk as the closer." But of course, given the shakiness of J-Mart, the odds would be pretty solid that Puk wouldn't see many closing opportunities.
I could say, "Sure, ONLY use Puk, Mantiply and Martinez." But of course, they would quickly be burned out, which, within a mere week or so, would be leaking oil all over the place, not to mention the lingering negative impact that would surface in the post season, if they got there.

I struggle with these posts because they are so illogical. I will say that honing the pen down to just a few guys is often done - once a team makes the post season! But in the regular season, it's illogical, impractical, irresponsible and ultimately, ineffective.

Well, I think nearly all of your posts are illogical. If the SPs went past 5 innings (you know, an occasional 6 or 7 inning outing at 100 pitches or so), then the pressure on the bullpen arms would be relaxed somewhat. That might allow some of the underperforming arms (Sewald, Ginkel, Thompson, etc.) to not be used as much and perhaps return to form seen earlier in the season when the bullpen was a strength instead of a weakness. If Lovullo is using the SPs "sparingly" to prevent cramps, dead arms, etc., I can understand that to a certain degree. But when you are in a real dogfight for a playoff spot, it is all hands on deck.

 

[Ronin]

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[82CardsGrad]

Well, I think nearly all of your posts are illogical. If the SPs went past 5 innings (you know, an occasional 6 or 7 inning outing at 100 pitches or so), then the pressure on the bullpen arms would be relaxed somewhat. That might allow some of the underperforming arms (Sewald, Ginkel, Thompson, etc.) to not be used as much and perhaps return to form seen earlier in the season when the bullpen was a strength instead of a weakness. If Lovullo is using the SPs "sparingly" to prevent cramps, dead arms, etc., I can understand that to a certain degree. But when you are in a real dogfight for a playoff spot, it is all hands on deck.

Rodriguez, Kelly, Gallen and Montgomery all spent time on the IL…and now Nelson is on the IL - likely due to the exact situation you’re begging for as he pitched more innings this season than ever before in the bigs.

Further, do some research and try to find teams with starting rotations that average more than 6 innings a start. You’ll be searching all day…
I don’t necessarily agree with it - however, Managers today are powerless to do anything about it as big league pitchers are now groomed in ways that prevent them from pitching more than 90-100 pitches per outing. It actually is tied to when they began playing in little league, high school and college…

Yes, it’s “All Hands On Deck,” as you accurately say. Which is why Torey is trying to best use the available hands he has at his disposal.

 

[krazy2k]

Rodriguez, Kelly, Gallen and Montgomery all spent time on the IL…and now Nelson is on the IL - likely due to the exact situation you’re begging for as he pitched more innings this season than ever before in the bigs.

Further, do some research and try to find teams with starting rotations that average more than 6 innings a start. You’ll be searching all day…
I don’t necessarily agree with it - however, Managers today are powerless to do anything about it as big league pitchers are now groomed in ways that prevent them from pitching more than 90-100 pitches per outing. It actually is tied to when they began playing in little league, high school and college…

Yes, it’s “All Hands On Deck,” as you accurately say. Which is why Torey is trying to best use the available hands he has at his disposal.

But those "All Hands On Deck" need to perform. If they don't perform, then you need to try other options - e.g., bring up an arm from AAA or trade for a "non playoff roster" arm to get you through the rest of the regular season. Your approach works great if the DBacks were up by 5 or 6 games with 12 games to play. Not so much when up by a game or two with 12 to play for the last WC spot.

 

[82CardsGrad]

But those "All Hands On Deck" need to perform. If they don't perform, then you need to try other options - e.g., bring up an arm from AAA or trade for a "non playoff roster" arm to get you through the rest of the regular season. Your approach works great if the DBacks were up by 5 or 6 games with 12 games to play. Not so much when up by a game or two with 12 to play for the last WC spot.

C’mon man… You gotta know the Dbacks have brought up several arms this year.
Tossing shyte against the wall in hopes something sticks isn’t a strategy… it’s a cliche’.

Relax man… They were in the big show last season. And are still holding onto a post season slot. Have you seen where the team is that won the World Series?
Again - in a division with the two top spenders in MLB, and given what this team has had to deal with this season - I can’t help but be impressed with the job Hazen and Torey have done.

 

[Dback Jon]

As said upthread - why Ginkel? Why use someone that threw 29 pitches and allowed 4 ER the day before??

 

[82CardsGrad]

As said upthread - why Ginkel? Why use someone that threw 29 pitches and allowed 4 ER the day before??

I’m traveling so don’t see the game… did anyone ask Torey?
Was it a righty-lefty matchup situation?
Or, perhaps Torey felt the need to get Ginkel back on track against an average team, knowing he’s gonna need him down this final stretch and into the post season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What a weird season this has been.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

What a weird season this has been.

It's 2021 Az Cards again. Hoping to limp into the playoffs

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[krazy2k]

Bet the over...way over...

 

[Dback Jon]

I’m traveling so don’t see the game… did anyone ask Torey?
Was it a righty-lefty matchup situation?
Or, perhaps Torey felt the need to get Ginkel back on track against an average team, knowing he’s gonna need him down this final stretch and into the post season.

You don't use a 2-1 game that you need to win against a weaker team as a game to get someone back on track, especially after they got shelled the day before.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You don't use a 2-1 game that you need to win against a weaker team as a game to get someone back on track, especially after they got shelled the day before.

OK. So did any reporter ask Torey why Ginkel? Was it a matchup situation? Did Ginkel have good #'s against the upcoming batters?

 

[Dback Jon]

OK. So did any reporter ask Torey why Ginkel? Was it a matchup situation? Did Ginkel have good #'s against the upcoming batters?

I didn't hear anyone ask, but could have missed it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's 2021 Az Cards again. Hoping to limp into the playoffs

It’s weirder though. 2021 Cards shot out of the gate a juggernaut, dealt with some injuries well and still had the best record in the league until Week 13 before a total collapse.

This team kinda sputtered out of the gate, scratched and clawed back to .500. Then they were shot out of a cannon at mid-season only to slowly devolve back to the sputtering team at the beginning of the season.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It’s weirder though. 2021 Cards shot out of the gate a juggernaut, dealt with some injuries well and still had the best record in the league until Week 13 before a total collapse.

This team kinda sputtered out of the gate, scratched and clawed back to .500. Then they were shot out of a cannon at mid-season only to slowly devolve back to the sputtering team at the beginning of the season.

Any team that suffers the amount of injuries to star players that this team has, is going to sputter at best, and more likely fall well out of the playoff picture. I mean, think about the Dodgers losing Freeman (our Walker), Ohtani (our Marte), and whoever their impact equivalent would be to Gabby, Rodriguez, Kelly, Gallen, Montgomery, Gurriel and now Nelson. I mean seriously... even the Dodgers, or the Padres, or the Yankees for that matter, would falter from the loss of that amount of production!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

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Why is Suarez batting 7th

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I haven't ranted about this yet but keeping Herrera over Del Castillo is really dumb

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Why is Suarez batting 7th

I will answer my own question.

The Rockies pitcher super sucks against lefties.

Also, Suarez has batted 4th -7th and half of his RBIs come hitting 7th

So this is an invalid and frankly ill informed criticism of Torey. It just seems so counter intuitive to have a big masher on a hot streak hitting 7th

 

[Bobster]

Pavin off to a brutal start in left field.

 

[Bobster]

Montgomery started the game tied for highest starter ERA in baseball (6.25), and have added to it (now 6.38).

 

[Chris_Sanders]

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