Cards sent pick to Pitt with Levi!!

[SECTION 11]

All I know is that there's odd personnel decisions going on, and that I trust BA more than SK. And SK is not a moron, I shouldn't have said that.

I'm actually surprised that this is a topic, I thought I was all conspiracy theory to the point where I didn't want to even say anything. Go figure.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What team has consistent, unanimous agreement regarding personnel between the GM and Head Coach? And unless any of you have been in meetings or on the sidelines, please save us your "opinion" on that matter...

so, first you question people's fandom and then tell them to stop talking about this. good form. I really don't get this...no one's presenting anything as fact here. just their opinion. isn't that what this message board is for? stating our opinion on matters? I guess not according to you.

So, in the case of Levi, some here are attempting to use this situation as what? A case that Keim is a moron? A fool? Incompetent?? If so - prove it...

I don't know if I think Keim is a fool, moron or incompetent, but for Keim to go into the season with an atrocious LT, who's been an atrocious LT the majority of his career and let the season ride on him is extremely questionable, even more so since he's been here to see him in person. It just becomes more questionable IMO when there were viable upgrades to be made in the off-season and even as late as last week and the GM did nothing about it.

If you can after just 4 games into his initial season as a GM...
Or, are you trying to develop a story of a rift between Keim and Ariens?? Regardless of K9's Hail Mary's, there is zero evidence that there are problems between Keim and BA. And if you think you know better - shoot me a PM with the winning power ball #'s tonight!

There was no single player who was as consistently maligned over the years on this board as Levi Brown. It's beyond ironic that his inevitable departure has caused fans to instantly suffer some type of bizzare psychosis...

I just don't get how this is so black and white to you. The overwhelming majority of us are happy that Levi will no longer be our LT of the future. what the majority of us are PISSED about is that the FO actually thought he could even be the LT of the present and that in the absence of any LT in the present, we likely have someone worse AND hurt our cap next year by trading him.

For what it's worth, I believe Keim would have loved to have dumped Levi before the season started.

what a second...this looks like an opinion as did EVERYTHING you wrote below it. And unless you have been in meetings or on the sidelines, didn't you say everyone should save us their "opinion" on that matter? or does that just apply to people who disagree with you?

 

[Mulli]

Well, the system works. Max Hall is going to be awesome, because Coach Whis said so.


All coaches make ignorant statements. I actually trust BA when he speaks more than most coaches. His coachspeak to truth ratio seems to be pretty low. That also means he puts his foot squarely in his mouth, a lot.

:3amigos:

You said Max Hall would be good. For him before you were against him.

And I love how my original post about sending a pick to Pitt has been expanded to all of these discussions. :iwin:

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I don't know if I think Keim is a fool, moron or incompetent, but for Keim to go into the season with an atrocious LT, who's been an atrocious LT the majority of his career and let the season ride on him is extremely questionable, even more so since he's been here to see him in person. It just becomes more questionable IMO when there were viable upgrades to be made in the off-season and even as late as last week and the GM did nothing about it.

This is where is gets weird - I think Keim knew he had to address Brown at the end of this current season, probably WANTED to do it this past off season but didn't get it done. Maybe as a team, it wasn't the priority that got addressed (and we did a lot of turnover)...so he is content to roll with Brown and hoping the new coaches can make him average or Potter can unseat him. Potter doesn't, Levi starts with a terrible game...and Keim starts boiling over.

At this point, any mistake Levi makes is justification for Keim to unload him for a bag of Cheetos...and he gets his opportunity with Pittsburgh.

Good move? Probably not, but hopefully not too bad of one.

 

[Mulli]

This is where is gets weird - I think Keim knew he had to address Brown at the end of this current season, probably WANTED to do it this past off season but didn't get it done. Maybe as a team, it wasn't the priority that got addressed (and we did a lot of turnover)...so he is content to roll with Brown and hoping the new coaches can make him average or Potter can unseat him. Potter doesn't, Levi starts with a terrible game...and Keim starts boiling over.

At this point, any mistake Levi makes is justification for Keim to unload him for a bag of Cheetos...and he gets his opportunity with Pittsburgh.

Good move? Probably not, but hopefully not too bad of one.

Yep.

 

[schutd]

He sure makes some pretty ignorant statements!

Every coach of an average-at-best team does, as far as its fans are concerned.

 

[schutd]

wow...so now, you're questioning people's fandom because they think the GM and Coach might not be on the same page? that's obnoxious.

And youre always the first to go up in arms what fandom is questioned. Why even let stuff like that bother you?

 

[Cheesebeef]

And youre always the first to go up in arms what fandom is questioned. Why even let stuff like that bother you?

don't know...but it does. anyone who spends as much time here shouldn't have their fandom questioned. anyone who actually cares about this team, which consistently kicks us all in the balls, shouldn't have their fandom questioned. bottom line, it annoys me...and if I actually say back what I want to say, it would start a huge flame war. just seems like as much of an insult as one could make to another fan.

 

[schutd]

don't know...but it does. anyone who spends as much time here shouldn't have their fandom questioned. anyone who actually cares about this team, which consistently kicks us all in the balls, shouldn't have their fandom questioned. bottom line, it annoys me...and if I actually say back what I want to say, it would start a huge flame war. just seems like as much of an insult as one could make to another fan.

We need a good flame war. I havent been in one of those since the 90s! Back when the internets were the wild wild west.

 

[D-Dogg]

You said Max Hall would be good. For him before you were against him.

And I love how my original post about sending a pick to Pitt has been expanded to all of these discussions. :iwin:

That's what I get for trusting Ken Whisenhunt.

 

[Shane]

That's what I get for trusting Ken Whisenhunt.

Whats the saying?

Fool me once shame on you? Fool me twice shame on me?

Well seems like you are back for seconds

 

[D-Dogg]

Whats the saying?

Fool me once shame on you? Fool me twice shame on me?

Well seems like you are back for seconds

No, I don't listen to Ken Whisenhunt anymore.

 

[82CardsGrad]

what a second...this looks like an opinion as did EVERYTHING you wrote below it. And unless you have been in meetings or on the sidelines, didn't you say everyone should save us their "opinion" on that matter? or does that just apply to people who disagree with you?

I'm no rookie here Cheese so I get why people come to this board... And I'll give my opinion as much as anyone. However, I have a problem with what people are doing here. If Keim had come to us from some other team with a reputation for being a jerk or incompetent, and now here we sit after 4 games and people want to attack him, I could understand that.
But that's not the case here. IMO,, it's impossible to make the kind of judgements you and other la are making so early into his tenure.
So yes, I have stated some of my own opinion, however, I have refrained making attacks and judgments on a dude who is 4 games and 1 preseason into his job!




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[Brian in Mesa]

What team has consistent, unanimous agreement regarding personnel between the GM and Head Coach? And unless any of you have been in meetings or on the sidelines, please save us your "opinion" on that matter...

So, in the case of Levi, some here are attempting to use this situation as what? A case that Keim is a moron? A fool? Incompetent?? If so - prove it... If you can after just 4 games into his initial season as a GM...
Or, are you trying to develop a story of a rift between Keim and Ariens?? Regardless of K9's Hail Mary's, there is zero evidence that there are problems between Keim and BA. And if you think you know better - shoot me a PM with the winning power ball #'s tonight!

There was no single player who was as consistently maligned over the years on this board as Levi Brown. It's beyond ironic that his inevitable departure has caused fans to instantly suffer some type of bizzare psychosis...

For what it's worth, I believe Keim would have loved to have dumped Levi before the season started. I believe Levi is the antithesis of the kind of player Keim wants on his team. A talented/gifted player who rarely gave full effort, and the results were evidence of such (please Smel spare me your rants about how "it's the coaching, not the player.").
I believe Ariens saw enough potential in Levi to garner his faith and his desire to try to work with him. Most coaches who believe in their own abilities, would see the talent and potential in Levi and think the same.
In the end, Ariens was forced to face the reality the rest of the football world has known all along, Levi sucks and his flaws are not repairable.

We have a coach and a GM who are widely respected throughout the league and who desperately want to win. And yet - some would prefer to take shots at them, attempt to create ridiculous stories of a rift between the two, and use the ouster of Levi Brown of all people - as evidence that they both are clueless and they don't like one another... All after they have coached/managed a whopping 4 games in the NFL. Wow...

Ugh.

Arians, Arians, Arians.

And one bizarre, for good measure.





BIM

 

[SECTION 11]

"rarely gives full effort"? What a bunch of crap.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Why does anyone have aproblem with the card giving him the 3 mil? Since he was on the roster for game one doesn't that make his salary guaranteed? He cost us the same if we cut him or bench him. Acutally the cards saved 500 thousand.

The darft pick has to be an upgrade or why would anybody make that trade? We are just going to have to wait and see how it plays out.

 

[SECTION 11]

The darft pick has to be an upgrade or why would anybody make that trade? We are just going to have to wait and see how it plays out.

Nobody knows, but don't dare question him.
However it is ok to trash Brown's character as much as you please.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm no rookie here Cheese so I get why people come to this board... And I'll give my opinion as much as anyone. However, I have a problem with what people are doing here. If Keim had come to us from some other team with a reputation for being a jerk or incompetent, and now here we sit after 4 games and people want to attack him, I could understand that.
But that's not the case here. IMO,, it's impossible to make the kind of judgements you and other la are making so early into his tenure.
So yes, I have stated some of my own opinion, however, I have refrained making attacks and judgments on a dude who is 4 games and 1 preseason into his job!

Yup...you've just attacked other posters instead.

I don't have An issue with your opinion. I have an issue with the blatant hypocrisy of offering your opinion while telling other people they should keep their opinions to themselves.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Yup...you've just attacked other posters instead.

I don't have An issue with your opinion. I have an issue with the blatant hypocrisy of offering your opinion while telling other people they should keep their opinions to themselves.

I guess you're right... Fire away...


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[Cardiac]

Why does anyone have aproblem with the card giving him the 3 mil? Since he was on the roster for game one doesn't that make his salary guaranteed? He cost us the same if we cut him or bench him. Acutally the cards saved 500 thousand.

The darft pick has to be an upgrade or why would anybody make that trade? We are just going to have to wait and see how it plays out.

My big issue is that IMO it took the teeth out of getting rid of Levi. He wouldn't be coached and use the techniques he was being shown. Whatever his reason(s) for not working hard enough to improve it sends a horrible message to the rest of the team. Now getting rid of Levi sends the right message expect when you give him $3 mil on the way out the door.

I would almost have preferred SK would have cut him instead of trading him since he couldn't find a trade partner that would take on his salary. Yes Levi would have still received the remainder of his salary for this year which is of course $3 Mil.

I get what you are saying, either way Levi was going to get his 3 mil since he was on the roster for the first game of the season. Him getting it as a bonus while walking out the door makes me think of all the CEO's that get huge paydays for screwing up and getting fired.

Sorry for the long rant because in essence the mistake was not cutting Levi in the preseason.

 

[Mulli]

Pissing and moaning about alleged hand-wringing. Circle of life. Wha, why can't you drink koolaid like I do...:claphat:

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ugh.

Arians, Arians, Arians.

And one bizarre, for good measure.





BIM

Yeah, Bidwill called and wanted to know who the heck this Ariens guy is. It's tottaly bizzare because this isn't the only time this name has come up. Search the forum and you'll find several pages of posts (and it's not just 82 either) with this spelling.

Steve

 

[cardncubfan]

Really? None?

Exhibit A: Ryan Williams remaining on the roster, but inactive every single week.

Exhibit B: Bruce Arians agitating for Levi Brown since at least Week 1 (when the discussion of getting rid of Levi Brown began).

Exhibit C: Rob Housler's continuing lack of involvement in the offense. Steve Keim believes that he's a superstar.

Exhibit D: Arians refusing to say that Levi Brown would be on the bench in Week 5 had he not been traded.

It's hardly a compelling case, but the evidence is there. I don't expect Bruce Arians to shank Keim at midfield right now.

Still all speculation. None of this is known as fact. Except for maybe Exhibit D.

 

[WisconsinCard]

My big issue is that IMO it took the teeth out of getting rid of Levi. He wouldn't be coached and use the techniques he was being shown. Whatever his reason(s) for not working hard enough to improve it sends a horrible message to the rest of the team. Now getting rid of Levi sends the right message expect when you give him $3 mil on the way out the door.

I would almost have preferred SK would have cut him instead of trading him since he couldn't find a trade partner that would take on his salary. Yes Levi would have still received the remainder of his salary for this year which is of course $3 Mil.

I get what you are saying, either way Levi was going to get his 3 mil since he was on the roster for the first game of the season. Him getting it as a bonus while walking out the door makes me think of all the CEO's that get huge paydays for screwing up and getting fired.

Sorry for the long rant because in essence the mistake was not cutting Levi in the preseason.

You make some good points and I understand the "principal" of things, but the teams still saved a half a mil.

 

[cardncubfan]

On this I agree with TJ. Nice post.