Conflicting reports re: karlos dansby

[GatorAZ]

The best thing for Dansby was playing with Washington. As long as Daryl is here I don't mind tipping the register for Los. Together they're the most versatile LB unit in the league.

 

[juza76]

The best thing for Dansby was playing with Washington. As long as Daryl is here I don't mind tipping the register for Los. Together they're the most versatile LB unit in the league.

Last year dansby had great season cause of washington presence,karlos was more free leaving washington duties on covering in medium routes.
Karlos had more chance of blitzing and playing near the line of scrimmage

 

[cardpa]

I think Dansby forgets that Washington had just a bit of influence on his stats for 2013.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think Dansby forgets that Washington had just a bit of influence on his stats for 2013.

I think that Dansby knows the two of them TOGETHER are one of the best LBing tandems in the league...and knows that theres a good chance Washington will miss a good chunk of time next year.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I really want to keep Dansby, but the long term Cardinal fan in me knows that:

A) He'll walk if even a slightly better deal is out there.

B) If he does sign, a year later he'll be dog doo and it will set the team back salary cap wise.

 

[GatorAZ]

Last year dansby had great season cause of washington presence,karlos was more free leaving washington duties on covering in medium routes.
Karlos had more chance of blitzing and playing near the line of scrimmage

My point exactly. The fit is perfect but he probably realizes this is his last contract and they're pushing for 3 years.

 

[Jetstream Green]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...en-mcfadden-head-riskiest-free-agents-of-2014



I agree with Schein.

I will that is bull that Dansby has so so years with Miami. Miami's defense was so so and Danbsy was their most consistent player in my opinion... I should know, my brother inlaw is a diehard Dolphin fan and he was irate when Dansby left lol

 

[Buckybird]

Last year dansby had great season cause of washington presence,karlos was more free leaving washington duties on covering in medium routes.
Karlos had more chance of blitzing and playing near the line of scrimmage

I think Dansby forgets that Washington had just a bit of influence on his stats for 2013.

I think you guys are selling Los short...he was a badass also when DWash was serving his 4 game suspension last year...in fact I believe he was voted the teams defensive MVP by the players...probably the best player on the Cards team last year!!!

The original #58 is way better than you guys are making him out to be.

 

[Cardiac]

The best thing for Dansby was playing with Washington. As long as Daryl is here I don't mind tipping the register for Los. Together they're the most versatile LB unit in the league.

Last year dansby had great season cause of washington presence,karlos was more free leaving washington duties on covering in medium routes.
Karlos had more chance of blitzing and playing near the line of scrimmage

I think Dansby forgets that Washington had just a bit of influence on his stats for 2013.

I will agree that DWash and Los together are fantastic. I also remember pretty much everyone of this forum loving how Los was playing before DWash returned.

 

[Jetstream Green]

2013... Dansby was the better player than Washington when they were both on the field. Washington helped Dansby but Washington did not have the impact Dansby had on every game

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm as big a Karlos Dasnby fan as anyone but guaranteeing him 10 mill is a bad contract for the Cards. There are just too many factors working against KD to acquire that amount of guaranteed money. He's 32 and he doesn't play a prime position in the pecking order how teams value positions.

 

[Totally_Red]

Bottom line my max per year for Karlos is $5 million period!

 

[cardpa]

2013... Dansby was the better player than Washington when they were both on the field. Washington helped Dansby but Washington did not have the impact Dansby had on every game

My view is that Dansby was having a good year while Dwash was out however his year got better when Dwash returned. Dansby would probably had different responsibilities had Dwash not been on the field which probably would have affected his stats. Do they complement each other? Absolutley! They mesh well together but neither would be as good going it alone.

 

[wa52lz]

All 6.5 sacks and 4 ints came after Washington's return

 

[Duckjake]

I think Dansby forgets that Washington had just a bit of influence on his stats for 2013.

And Michael Floyd benefited from having Carson Palmer at QB instead of Ryan Lindley so I guess we can discount what Floyd did last season. And Calais Campbell had just a bit of influence on Abraham's stats for 2013 so we shouldn't be heaping so much praise on Big John for his sacks either. It never fails that when people start praising an NFL player other fans will try to belittle his accomplishments by saying it was because of who he was playing next to on the field.

 

[Hollywood]

And Michael Floyd benefited from having Carson Palmer at QB instead of Ryan Lindley so I guess we can discount what Floyd did last season. And Calais Campbell had just a bit of influence on Abraham's stats for 2013 so we shouldn't be heaping so much praise on Big John for his sacks either. It never fails that when people start praising an NFL player other fans will try to belittle his accomplishments by saying it was because of who he was playing next to on the field.

Im with you. Los was a HUGE part of the team last year....not just the D but the whole team. I just think people are knocking him down just in case he leaves so it will be easier to swallow.

 

[Totally_Red]

And Michael Floyd benefited from having Carson Palmer at QB instead of Ryan Lindley so I guess we can discount what Floyd did last season. And Calais Campbell had just a bit of influence on Abraham's stats for 2013 so we shouldn't be heaping so much praise on Big John for his sacks either. It never fails that when people start praising an NFL player other fans will try to belittle his accomplishments by saying it was because of who he was playing next to on the field.

I have read more than one internet evaluation that Karlos 'is a great system fit for Todd Bowles' defense.' That said, he's 32-years-old. Cardinals want him back, but how much do you pay an aging player, albeit one who has avoided serous injury and is still playing at a high level? About 5-million per year seems about right to me.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm as big a Karlos Dasnby fan as anyone but guaranteeing him 10 mill is a bad contract for the Cards. There are just too many factors working against KD to acquire that amount of guaranteed money. He's 32 and he doesn't play a prime position in the pecking order how teams value positions.

Depends on how it's structured. If it's a $10M "guarantee" that comes in the form of a $4M base salary, $4M signing bonus, and $500k workout bonuses on each of the four years in the deal--or a $2M roster bonus in year 4--then that's a $10M guarantee that you can live with. Los gets $8M this year, maybe $2-3M in 2015, and you have $2M in dead money if you have to release him or he retires after two seasons.

If Dansby cares about the headline number, there's a lot of ways to work around that. But it's possible that Dansby cares about the actual cash flows to him, and while I think the deal I outlined above is perfectly generous, if he wants $10M or more over the first two seasons of a new contract, that's kind of a challenge.

 

[PDXChris]

Depends on how it's structured. If it's a $10M "guarantee" that comes in the form of a $4M base salary, $4M signing bonus, and $500k workout bonuses on each of the four years in the deal--or a $2M roster bonus in year 4--then that's a $10M guarantee that you can live with. Los gets $8M this year, maybe $2-3M in 2015, and you have $2M in dead money if you have to release him or he retires after two seasons.

If Dansby cares about the headline number, there's a lot of ways to work around that. But it's possible that Dansby cares about the actual cash flows to him, and while I think the deal I outlined above is perfectly generous, if he wants $10M or more over the first two seasons of a new contract, that's kind of a challenge.

Exactly and what is funny is that the guy who says he would not give Dansby $10 million guaranteed over three years would pay him $10 million total over two years, which is 99% guaranteed since he would want a higher first year salary in case he was cut and there would be little reason to cut him in year two with a low base salary.

 

[Mulli]

I have read more than one internet evaluation that Karlos 'is a great system fit for Todd Bowles' defense.' That said, he's 32-years-old. Cardinals want him back, but how much do you pay an aging player, albeit one who has avoided serous injury and is still playing at a high level? About 5-million per year seems about right to me.

We also have to discount what TBowles did, because that is what we do on here. .

 

[kerouac9]

Exactly and what is funny is that the guy who says he would not give Dansby $10 million guaranteed over three years would pay him $10 million total over two years, which is 99% guaranteed since he would want a higher first year salary in case he was cut and there would be little reason to cut him in year two with a low base salary.

I don't want to quibble too much with someone who agrees with me, but there's a distinction between "salary" and "payment" that is worth understanding, because it flows down to the cap accounting issues. The Cards have to be careful about how much first year salary they give to Los, because that's all on the 2014 salary cap. They also have to be concerned about how much first year payment (signing/roster bonus + salary) they give to Los, because those bonuses are pro-rated over the life of the contract, and accelerated into the year that he leaves the team.

 

[PDXChris]

I don't want to quibble too much with someone who agrees with me, but there's a distinction between "salary" and "payment" that is worth understanding, because it flows down to the cap accounting issues. The Cards have to be careful about how much first year salary they give to Los, because that's all on the 2014 salary cap. They also have to be concerned about how much first year payment (signing/roster bonus + salary) they give to Los, because those bonuses are pro-rated over the life of the contract, and accelerated into the year that he leaves the team.

This is what I said earlier, which Cbus cardsfan was referring to with my $10 million guaranteed. My point it that if you are only giving a two year deal, there is not a lot of flexibility to move money around vs. a three year deal. But I think we are on the same page with how to spend the money.

I would throw in another year than the two being thrown around and give him $10 million guaranteed.


3 years 16.5 million with $10 million guaranteed. Breaking that down, you have a $3 million base salary for 2014 $7 million SB. That way he only counts $5.3 million this year against the cap and $2.3 against the cap in 2016 if we cut him.

 

[cardpa]

And Michael Floyd benefited from having Carson Palmer at QB instead of Ryan Lindley so I guess we can discount what Floyd did last season. And Calais Campbell had just a bit of influence on Abraham's stats for 2013 so we shouldn't be heaping so much praise on Big John for his sacks either. It never fails that when people start praising an NFL player other fans will try to belittle his accomplishments by saying it was because of who he was playing next to on the field.


Floyd did benefit from Palmer and Abraham did Benefit from Campbell. Palmer benefited from having Ellington in the backfield. Put Brinkley next to LOS and he doesn't have the year he had. Its a team game and teammates benefit from having certain players next to them.

That said you can pretty much say its a safe bet that Dansby will see what the market has to offer. I read an article the other day that was about what its like for a player to get the cut call. The one thing the player said is that Home Team Discount is a fantasy.

 

[WisconsinCard]

This is what I said earlier, which Cbus cardsfan was referring to with my $10 million guaranteed. My point it that if you are only giving a two year deal, there is not a lot of flexibility to move money around vs. a three year deal. But I think we are on the same page with how to spend the money.

I would fully expect him to be playing the next two years unless he just flat fell on his face next year, but I do see your point about flexability. If he signed the contact I outlined and only plays one year and retires/gets cut we'd take 2 1/2 mil cap hit next year. I just think that the 3.5 mil guaranteed is a bit low.

 

[kerouac9]

I would fully expect him to be playing the next two years unless he just flat fell on his face next year, but I do see your point about flexability. If he signed the contact I outlined and only plays one year and retires/gets cut we'd take 2 1/2 mil cap hit next year. I just think that the 3.5 mil guaranteed is a bit low.

To be fair, though, you have to put that dead money number in a kind of context. Levi Brown and Adam Snyder are creating nearly $10M in dead money in the 2014 cap by themselves, and the 2015 cap is expected to go up by an additional $10M.

I think the Cards can afford, in the current climate, to make a short-term (3-year) commitment to Los and a long-term (5-year) commitment to the right offensive tackle.