Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Goodyear Card]

NFL Quarterback Rankings: Jayden Daniels, Brock Purdy Surge to Top Tier

With a third of the season behind us, some truths have been realized. For starters, Lamar Jackson is in firm contention for his third MVP award, rarified air oc

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[602 Native]

KM is the least of our worries. I don’t know what people are thinking otherwise.

Cards Fans: Lets get rid of our best player so we can get better.

 

[602 Native]

NFL Quarterback Rankings: Jayden Daniels, Brock Purdy Surge to Top Tier

With a third of the season behind us, some truths have been realized. For starters, Lamar Jackson is in firm contention for his third MVP award, rarified air oc

www.si.com

Thanks for this.

13. Kyler Murray, Arizona Cardinals
LR: 7

Murray finally has some real talent around him with the addition of Marvin Harrison Jr. and the maturation of Michael Wilson and Trey McBride. Still, the Cardinals are 2–4, but Murray has played well, throwing eight touchdowns against two interceptions. He’s also 10th in success rate and 12th in adjusted EPA per play.

 

[Cardinal88]

Is this Murray guy any good?

In my opinion yes! I feel he has a coach who doesn’t really know how to use him, a defense who can’t stop anyone, and a team that was relying on first string to stay healthy because we do not have the depth especially on the OL.

Injuries are killing this team that didn’t have a lot of talent. Look at the 49ers (average team with injuries) but they have depth so it won’t affect them as much.

I have always felt Buddy Morris is doing something wrong with strength and conditioning but what do I know because they have kept the guy around forever.

 

[tennis-player]

In my opinion yes! I feel he has a coach who doesn’t really know how to use him, a defense who can’t stop anyone, and a team that was relying on first string to stay healthy because we do not have the depth especially on the OL.

Injuries are killing this team that didn’t have a lot of talent. Look at the 49ers (average team with injuries) but they have depth so it won’t affect them as much.

I have always felt Buddy Morris is doing something wrong with strength and conditioning but what do I know because they have kept the guy around forever.

Buddy Morris was replaced and has not been strength and conditioning coach for two years. His sole responsibility is rehabilitation from injuries.

 

[unseenaz]

There’s no such thing as white gravy in my time line.

Biscuits and gravy slander is your wildest take yet!

 

[urs]

KM is the least of our worries. I don’t know what people are thinking otherwise.

He threw a pass slightly behind Wilson but pretty much right in his gut, which is why we lost to Green Bay

 

[Goodyear Card]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-week-7-qb-power-rankings-jare

 

[daves]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ve-enter-top-10-as-nfc-north-steals-the-show/

FTFY!

 

[Ronin]

Cardinals QB Kyler Murray remaining positive despite results

Kyler Murray is now six years into being a pro, and with time he continues to learn how to bounce back from losses and keep an even keel.

arizonasports.com

 

[Cardinal88]

Buddy Morris was replaced and has not been strength and conditioning coach for two years. His sole responsibility is rehabilitation from injuries.

Thanks! I did not know that. I see him on the sidelines and just assumed.

I guess it is in the water

 

[BritCard]

Cards Fans: Lets get rid of our best player so we can get better.

I mean, is he our best player?

He's somewhere between QB15 and QB20. McBride is a top 10, maybe a top 6 TE in the league. Budda is up there in the safety rankings. Paris is currently something like #9 amongst tackles. JC is currently RB8.

You could argue he's the most talented, which only highlights how disappointing his performances have been. Or you could argue he's the most important, because all QB's are, and the same argument about disappointment would apply.

But is he actually the best player on the team in that he's playing better at his position that others are at theirs? No, he's clearly not.

Can you get better by replacing a guy that's on the fringe of the bottom 3rd of QB's in the league? Clearly you can.

 

[BritCard]

He’s also 10th in success rate and 12th in adjusted EPA per play.

Bogus. I already pointed out that most of his efficiency and success has come in garbage time when the game is over one way or another.

You only need to look at where QB's are on this chart to see it's pretty much in line with where you would rank QB play this season.

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[BritCard]

Some of this has been a decent O line, but a lot of this is the way defenses are playing him to keep contain and not let him run.

Sad that he has these pockets to work with yet our passing game is ass.

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[BritCard]

This is the biggest disappointment of the season. This offense was supposed to make a leap with Kyler back and 2nd year in the offense, plus adding Marv, but it's statistically very similar to the first 6 games with Dobbs last year.

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[BritCard]

Yup.

I do love that the entire board has turned on Petzig when last year, without Kyler, the overwhelming majority of us were impressed with the playcalling, but frustrated because Dobbs kept missing guys all over the place.

Now, Petzig is the biggest moron in the world because a Kyler led offense, once again, is having trouble moving the ball and scoring TDs. All Petzig’s fault, just like it was all Kliff’s fault… despite Kliff’s offense now killing it with a rookie QB, one good WR and Cardinals level RBs and an older than dirt TE.

Brought this over here because it's a great point and something I was going to write myself.

Kliff has one of the best offenses in the league with a rookie QB, Terry McLaurin and a bunch of JAGs. Jayden Daniels has broken all kinds of long standing records through 6 games, not only for a rookie, but for all QB's.

This is the same guy were were told was holding Kyler back.