Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[football karma]

not sure this is much to crow about. that full season sample looks like every Kirk Cousins season. Basically makes the case for the "Kyler's a top 12-16 QB".

yes, kinda

Cousins doesnt get you 600 yards rushing

 

[SECTION 11]

Anyone who would rather have Kirk Cousins as their QB needs their head examined. And not by Brit.

 

[Dback Jon]

The irrational Kyler boosters aren’t going to like this, but this is sub-Cousins performance. Kirk failed to surpass 4000 yards in a season where he started at least 15 games one time in the past nine seasons.

I will take your irrational anti-Kyler and raise you with a three-game win streak.

 

[Chopper0080]

I will take your irrational anti-Kyler and raise you with a three-game win streak.

The fact that Kyler is 23rd in the NFL in pass yards per game at 199.1 AND that this team has figured out a way to win games despite that, are both truths. And that is ok. It has been long discussed on this board how the Cardinals needed to build a roster that could win games without requiring Kyler to be amazing. We are kinda in that place. There will be times where the team needs Kyler to save the day, and we will see if he can do it when that time comes. (EDIT: like he did in the Miami game)

 

[DVontel]

The fact that Kyler is 23rd in the NFL in pass yards per game at 199.1 AND that this team has figured out a way to win games despite that, are both truths. And that is ok. It has been long discussed on this board how the Cardinals needed to build a roster that could win games without requiring Kyler to be amazing. We are kinda in that place. There will be times where the team needs Kyler to save the day, and we will see if he can do it when that time comes.

I mean, he just did it vs Miami, but I hear you.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If we get this sort of production over a full season then it's solid enough to win around, especially the low turnovers

Only if the offense is consistently dominant running the ball and the defense is good to very good.

 

[Cheesebeef]

yes, kinda

Cousins doesnt get you 600 yards rushing

But he does get you 4500 yards passing and the same TD production.

Their stats all in pretty much equate to the equal production in total yards and TDs.

 

[SoonerLou]

The irrational Kyler boosters aren’t going to like this, but this is sub-Cousins performance. Kirk failed to surpass 4000 yards in a season where he started at least 15 games one time in the past nine seasons.

But he does get you 4500 yards passing.

Their stats all equate to the same production.

Irony being Kirk Cousins non 4000 yard season/lowest YPG is when Kevin Stefanski was his OC and Drew Petzing was the main WRs coach.


Highest passer rating TBF though.

 

[kerouac9]

Kyler is Derek Carr but runs

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Come on

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am sure stats will follow to support this hilarious take but I got nothing for it. .

Yup Kyler is Derek Carr

I still can't it's so hilarious

 

[BritCard]

I mean, he just did it vs Miami, but I hear you.

He did, the problem is we also needed it against the Bills, Lions, Commanders and Packers where he averaged 181 yards per game. Can't just memory hole the bad ones and remember the good ones.

 

[BritCard]

I am sure stats will follow to support this hilarious take but I got nothing for it. .

Yup Kyler is Derek Carr

I still can't it's so hilarious

Y'all probably thinking of current Derek Carr and not same age as Kyler Derek Carr. He's not far wrong. Several sub 4000 yard seasons, low to mid 20 TD seasons (except Carr had a 32 in his 2nd year), similar YPA, similar INT ratios. Similar yards per game. And 3 Pro Bowls by 26.

 

[BritCard]

I don't think Kyler missed seeing Trey here as the coverage said. He's waving his arms around and Kyler looks at him twice.

Think it's just a bad throw. Kyler tries to loft it into the back of the EZ and just over cooks it.

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[QuebecCard]

He did, the problem is we also needed it against the Bills, Lions, Commanders and Packers where he averaged 181 yards per game. Can't just memory hole the bad ones and remember the good ones.

There are two parts to this: throw and catch, and the latter would have made a difference against both the Bills and Lions.

 

[DVontel]

He did

Everything you said after this is moot. Corrected what Chop said which was clearly wrong.

 

[602 Native]

Kyler is Derek Carr but runs

This is why the Never Murray’s should never be taken seriously

 

[BritCard]

There are two parts to this: throw and catch, and the latter would have made the difference against both the Bills and Lions.

What difference?

 

[schutd]

This metric just doesn’t have any meaning for me. What can you really get from 20 drop backs? Kyler was twice as bad a Bo Nix?

Okay I guess.

This metric is only good for showing what a badass Gardner Mishew is.

 

[schutd]

I don't think Kyler missed seeing Trey here as the coverage said. He's waving his arms around and Kyler looks at him twice.

Think it's just a bad throw. Kyler tries to loft it into the back of the EZ and just over cooks it.

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I agree. Just a bad throw.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agree. Just a bad throw.

Even if he great underthrows it mcbride is so open he can likely come back to it and TD. Kyler throws it where there’s zero chance for the most open player on the field all day to catch it.

 

[Chopper0080]

Even if he great underthrows it mcbride is so open he can likely come back to it and TD. Kyler throws it where there’s zero chance for the most open player on the field all day to catch it.

Kyler talked about this play when he was saying that he had an awful game, postgame.

 

[Chopper0080]

I mean, he just did it vs Miami, but I hear you.

I threw an edit in my post. My intention was to be positive, and I want to make that clear.

 

[football karma]

I don't think Kyler missed seeing Trey here as the coverage said. He's waving his arms around and Kyler looks at him twice.

Think it's just a bad throw. Kyler tries to loft it into the back of the EZ and just over cooks it.

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im not a Kyler hater, but that is just a confounding miss

Kyler is typically pretty good on throwing to the first read when its there

and right off the snap, its there. Hit the back foot ( 03 sec mark in the vid) and throw it to the outside and its a TD. The rush would never come into play.

 

[Redsz]

Kyler talked about this play when he was saying that he had an awful game, postgame.

Yeah the pendulum swung the other way from the Miami game. He knows it too and said as much during his press conference.