Kyler Murray entering Draft

[PACardsFan]

Yep. Heisman is pretty much a guarantee that you are going to suck as a pro.

There's a long history of this being true, but maybe Mayfield has reversed that trend. Murray is a special athlete who has been groomed to be a QB since he was a toddler. He's a super bright kid, with an extremely high football IQ. Something tells me he will be a difference maker, no matter what level. He seems to have more gears than a 10 speed bike. Like everyone else, I struggle with the 5'9" aspect. Are Brees & Mayfield really as tall as they claim? Keep your minds out of the gutter, but does a couple of inches matter? And he's way way more athletic & significantly faster than the aforementioned above. I just feel it in my bones that we'll pass on this kid, Rosen is a dud, and this kid lights up the NFL similar to how Mahomes has. Hopefully, it's only Cardinal pessimism syndrome kicking in.

 

[Krangodnzr]

There's a long history of this being true, but maybe Mayfield has reversed that trend. Murray is a special athlete who has been groomed to be a QB since he was a toddler. He's a super bright kid, with an extremely high football IQ. Something tells me he will be a difference maker, no matter what level. He seems to have more gears than a 10 speed bike. Like everyone else, I struggle with the 5'9" aspect. Are Brees & Mayfield really as tall as they claim? Keep your minds out of the gutter, but does a couple of inches matter? And he's way way more athletic & significantly faster than the aforementioned above. I just feel it in my bones that we'll pass on this kid, Rosen is a dud, and this kid lights up the NFL similar to how Mahomes has. Hopefully, it's only Cardinal pessimism syndrome kicking in.

They are as tall as they claim...the combine doesn't lie.

Russell Wilson is 5,10 and 5/8ths. How do I know that? That was his official combine measurements.

 

[slanidrac16]

They are as tall as they claim...the combine doesn't lie.

Russell Wilson is 5,10 and 5/8ths. How do I know that? That was his official combine measurements.

It’s funny how 5,9 and 5/8ths would rule Murray out as a top qb

 

[Krangodnzr]

It’s funny how 5,9 and 5/8ths would rule Murray out as a top qb

I think the modern game with more spread elements is creating the conditions for guys to excel. Wilson is at his best, outside of the pocket. He still struggles when he's contained in the pocket at the rush is in his face. That's why big, traditional pocket passers are still King, they still do better in those situations.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

And what’s the success rate of Heisman winning QBs in modern football? Fairly poor by percentage so I think you’re making a terrible argument and perhaps your viewpoint above comes across as dangerously uninformed. Just sayin’.

Going back to 1984, heisman QBs:

Marriotta - jury’s out but not great
Winston - jury’s out but not great
Manziel - bust
RGIII - bust
Newton - winner
Bradford - mediocre
Tebow - bust
Troy Smith - bust
Leinart- bust
Jason white - bust
Palmer - winner
Eric crouch - bust
Chris weinke - bust
Danny wuerffel - bust
Charlie ward - NA
Gino toretta - bust
Ty detmer - bust
Andre Ware - bust
Vinny testaverde - very definition of mediocre
Doug Flutie - mediocre to incomplete

Terrible. And it's terrible that you're trolling me. Disappointing.

However, I'll play along just this one time only to defend College Football's highest honor.

Your argument is stupid because it infers that non-heisman-winning QBs leaving college and entering the NFL generally enjoy at least as much success as heisman-winning QBs, when in fact the failure rate for non-heisman winning QBs is higher.

Compare the success rate (in terms of average years in the NFL, or any other reasonable metric) for heisman-trophy-winning QBs to the success rate for all QBs entering the draft, declaring for the draft, or trying to make teams as an UDFA, and then tell me "heisman trophy QB winners suck".

The opposite is true. Winning the heisman practically guarantees a more successful NFL career than that experienced by the majority of QBs in that same QB class that don't win the heisman. There are some exceptions, sure, like poor Jason White, but you'll find my premise is generally sound. Your post leverages the fact that its hard to play QB in the NFL, but we already know that ouchie.

Also, I think I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to my posts sir.

 

[JeffGollin]

So, if Kyler does not play fb, does that make the first pick more or less valuable?

Not so much a matter of Kyler vs no-Kyler as it is whether there's anyone (or 2 or 3 etc) else in the draft that one of the other 30 or so GM's feel they absolutely gotta have. Could be Bosa. Could be Q Williams. Could be some Combine Cowboy we never heard of. Then it becomes a matter of how much the trade-up team is willing to pay for the #1 spot...and whether the Cards are willing to accept it.

As is often said: "All it takes is for one GM to love the kid...

 

[PACardsFan]

They are as tall as they claim...the combine doesn't lie.

Russell Wilson is 5,10 and 5/8ths. How do I know that? That was his official combine measurements.

That being clarified, does 5'9 and change really matter when compared to 5'10" and change?? I think that Murray has the potential to be better than Wilson & perhaps even significantly better. What makes Wilson special is his ability to throw on the run. Murray is exceptional in that category also.

 

[GatorAZ]

Murray is ripped.

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[Praxis]

Two future Cardinals

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Cardinals do not draft Murray I think there will be some second guessing by fans especially if he breaks out as an NFL quarterback.

 

[GuernseyCard]

If the Cardinals do not draft Murray I think there will be some second guessing by fans especially if he breaks out as an NFL quarterback.

So you'd make him our first pick?

 

[GatorAZ]

Murray is going to wreck the combine probably than anyone since RG3. I heard a report that the Dolphins are going to tank for a QB in next year’s draft but they’re only at #13. Stephen Ross seems like someone desperate enough to make a Godfather offer to #1 to make Miami relevant again. There would have to be some young talent in return to move back that far though; Tunsil or Howard etc plus more draft picks. I’m not buying the Gruden/Murray talk.

 

[Mainstreet]

So you'd make him our first pick?

Let me tell you after the NFL combines.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Murray is going to wreck the combine probably than anyone since RG3. I heard a report that the Dolphins are going to tank for a QB in next year’s draft but they’re only at #13. Stephen Ross seems like someone desperate enough to make a Godfather offer to #1 to make Miami relevant again. There would have to be some young talent in return to move back that far though; Tunsil or Howard etc plus more draft picks. I’m not buying the Gruden/Murray talk.

Any LBs or WRs on their roster worth anything?

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[Vacard]

That being clarified, does 5'9 and change really matter when compared to 5'10" and change?? I think that Murray has the potential to be better than Wilson & perhaps even significantly better. What makes Wilson special is his ability to throw on the run. Murray is exceptional in that category also.

Wilson is also durable and has one of the best throwing mechanics in the league. Despite his height, his passes are one of the lowest in batting down. Can Murray endure the punishment of a 16 game season? That’s to be seen. I’d trade down and draft him if we really want him. I don’t trust Bosa with his injury history.

 

[Dr. Jones]

If the Cardinals do not draft Murray I think there will be some second guessing by fans especially if he breaks out as an NFL quarterback.

Kyler Murray is the Luka Doncic of this draft.

The NBA has changed..... So is the NFL. Get on board or get left behind.

KK is an agent of change..... Let's all widen our field of view.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Let me tell you after the NFL combines.

This x 100

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Jamarcus Russell had the best workouts in pre-draft history. I put more stock in technique and motor these days

 

[GatorAZ]

Any LBs or WRs on their roster worth anything?

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Idk, maybe Raekwon McMillan but he’s been hurt.

 

[GuernseyCard]

This x 100

So a skills competition in shorts will give you all the answers you need ?

 

[JeffGollin]

It's human nature to search for bases of comparison when evaluating talent in order to lend scientific credibility to ourvargument (i.e. QB #1 has droopy ears. Johnny Unitas had droopy ears - therefore QB # 1 is as good as Johnny Unitas).

It usually turns out that some droopy eared QB's might be as good or better than Unitas/even more will be less good.

One key reason for this faulty analysis is small sample size. (For every Russell Wilson, there are 10 small QB's who don't make it).

More and more, I'm in favor of watching tape on a kid and reading what folks I respect have to say about him. (i.e. what makes this kid special)? Comparing 2 or 3 players from the same draft class is hard enough; let alone trying to compare players across a span of several years.

 

[slanidrac16]

If you( anybody) believes in kyler Murray let it be on the bases of what he’s done on a football field under fire. His combine workout will be great.

 

[Dr. Jones]

So a skills competition in shorts will give you all the answers you need ?

Short shuttles, 40 yard dash,actual height weight and throwing velocity are huge.

If we were just looking at game tape Murray is the best player bar none.

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[BW52]

Let someone else buy into midget QB
Hype.Cards have a QB.Some midget QB who excelled in the defense poor Big 12 gets a big eff no from me.Show me a list of all the 5'9 to 5'10 QBs who had NFL success and where worthy of the number 1 pick.

 

[cardncubfan]

Let someone else buy into midget QB
Hype.Cards have a QB.Some midget QB who excelled in the defense poor Big 12 gets a big eff no from me.Show me a list of all the 5'9 to 5'10 QBs who had NFL success and where worthy of the number 1 pick.

Just curious how tall you are? Sounds like the man is average size.