Kyler Murray entering Draft

[GatorAZ]

The NFL could probably PPV this kid’s measurement session.

 

[Praxis]

I will understand if we go with Bosa, I just think Kingsbury would make Murray effective. Rosen has a lot of work to do, and then there's also the holes at OL/WR/TE/RB2. Someone on Fox Sports was saying Keim is really the HC with Kingsbury and Joseph as coordinators. He needs to ace this draft/off season or get lost.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd like to see what the combine tells us.

My interest in Murray is to cover the Cardinals backside if Rosen is not that quarterback.

Maybe the better way to put it, if Murray grades out well, can the Cardinals afford to pass on him.

 

[TJ]

I will understand if we go with Bosa, I just think Kingsbury would make Murray effective. Rosen has a lot of work to do, and then there's also the holes at OL/WR/TE/RB2. Someone on Fox Sports was saying Keim is really the HC with Kingsbury and Joseph as coordinators. He needs to ace this draft/off season or get lost.

So what’s to say that Murray will have more success than Rosen with the same deficiencies? You can more easily fix the gaps by keeping Rosen and not waste a pick on a QB. At this point, the #TeamMurray clan is shuffling chairs on the decks of the Titanic

 

[Praxis]

So what’s to say that Murray will have more success than Rosen with the same deficiencies? You can more easily fix the gaps by keeping Rosen and not waste a pick on a QB. At this point, the #TeamMurray clan is shuffling chairs on the decks of the Titanic

Murray is a dynamic athlete who can buy himself time to throw. Rosen's success is highly dependent on fixing the OL or we're looking at Leinart 2.0.

 

[Zeno]

I saw a mock draft that had Murray going to Tampa, saying he’d be a great fit with Arians. I had to laugh at that, Arians will always be a traditional QB type of guy, a guy who will stand in the pocket and take multiple deep shots.

 

[BW52]

Just curious how tall you are? Sounds like the man is average size.

6'1.I am not the one who is going to be trying to play QB in the NFL.

 

[iLLmatiC]

6'1.I am not the one who is going to be trying to play QB in the NFL.

Yeah that was a really dumb question to ask.

 

[cardncubfan]

Yeah that was a really dumb question to ask.

Not really. I was more pointing out his midget comment on every post about Murray. Short by NFL standards but certainly not a midget.

 

[PACardsFan]

I think that too many of us, myself included, are wearing rose colored glasses when it comes to Rosen. That's what really, really pisses me off when it comes to the Wilks regime. Seeing how much he played this year, we should know EXACTLY what we have with Josh. Unfortunately, we don't. We know even less. I only saw him play a few times at UCLA. Why. Because they sucked. What I did see of him didn't thoroughly excite me, as I thought he consistently made BAD decisions. He threw into coverage, and tried to forced passes into either tight windows or windows that didn't exist. I loved his size, and I loved his ability to throw a tight spiral.

We all just saw one of the ugliest performances by a Cardinal QB ever. Is that Rosen's fault entirely. Probably not. We all know how pathetic our coaching staff was. OLine sucked, no receivers, bad coaching, etc, etc. Even if the Cardinals reversed all of these weaknesses into strengths, would that elevate Rosen to greatness. I'm not sure. No one can be. If K2 is the QB guru that we think he is, then let him make that decision. Let him work extensively with Rosen up until the draft. It appears that he already feels that Murray could be/would be great in the NFL. If he thinks he can reverse the Rosen that was unwatchable this past season, then I'm fine with that. Draft Bosa & move on. Otherwise, take Murray & hopefully, just maybe, we'll see a QB that will be as good or better than Mahomes was this past season. I'm ok with that too!!!

 

[Zeno]

If there was a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck in this draft then moving on from Rosen would be a real option. Murray is not Luck or Manning, he is NOT a can't miss prospect. He does not have the requisite NFL size, he has exactly 1 year as a starter in college football and he also can cut bait at any time and go baseball if the going gets tough.

Rosen may not work out but I am more confident in him becoming a solid pro than I am in Murray becoming one.

 

[BW52]

I wonder when Gil Brandt is going to start saying Murray should move to WR?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

That being clarified, does 5'9 and change really matter when compared to 5'10" and change?? I think that Murray has the potential to be better than Wilson & perhaps even significantly better. What makes Wilson special is his ability to throw on the run. Murray is exceptional in that category also.

That's the point I'm trying to make PACardsFfan.

That there's not some magical "bright-line" of height that immediately renders a QB ineffective in the NFL.

My logic goes like this:

1. Mayfield was very successful in college, and is now experiencing some success in the NFL.

2. Murray, in the exact same college environment in which Mayfield played, was slightly more successful than Mayfield.

3. Therefore, Murray will be slightly more successful than Mayfield in the NFL. Height be dammed.

If someone wants to point out that I'm missing something, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong, but I honestly believe that number three is true, and that Murray is going to be a franchise type QB at the next level.

And BW52, please don't answer with a post that includes the words "midget" and "Big XII defenses" okay? Please? Maybe instead try to point out the flaw in my argument above?

 

[JeffGollin]

So a skills competition in shorts will give you all the answers you need ?

Depends on the position being evaluated and the job description each team has for that position.

For example - DRC's ball skills jumped out at his Combine workouts and were a pretty good indicator that he'd turn out to be talented.

The combination of size, speed and hands might suggest a kid will be a beast at #1 WR.

One part of a QB's skill-set I haven't seen measured is the ability of a QB to translate what he sees on the field into effective action (in the form of hitting the right man in the right place at the right time). So you can measure everything you can think of at the Combine till the cows come home, but ignore some of the hard-to-measure "intangibles" at your peril.

 

[Ronin]

Sorry if this has already been posted.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25852960/oakland-hopeful-kyler-murray-attend-spring-training

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think that too many of us, myself included, are wearing rose colored glasses when it comes to Rosen. That's what really, really pisses me off when it comes to the Wilks regime. Seeing how much he played this year, we should know EXACTLY what we have with Josh. Unfortunately, we don't. We know even less. I only saw him play a few times at UCLA. Why. Because they sucked. What I did see of him didn't thoroughly excite me, as I thought he consistently made BAD decisions. He threw into coverage, and tried to forced passes into either tight windows or windows that didn't exist. I loved his size, and I loved his ability to throw a tight spiral.

We all just saw one of the ugliest performances by a Cardinal QB ever. Is that Rosen's fault entirely. Probably not. We all know how pathetic our coaching staff was. OLine sucked, no receivers, bad coaching, etc, etc. Even if the Cardinals reversed all of these weaknesses into strengths, would that elevate Rosen to greatness. I'm not sure. No one can be. If K2 is the QB guru that we think he is, then let him make that decision. Let him work extensively with Rosen up until the draft. It appears that he already feels that Murray could be/would be great in the NFL. If he thinks he can reverse the Rosen that was unwatchable this past season, then I'm fine with that. Draft Bosa & move on. Otherwise, take Murray & hopefully, just maybe, we'll see a QB that will be as good or better than Mahomes was this past season. I'm ok with that too!!!

I would also add this:

Do we want to be in a position where our team makes our QB better? This is what I keep reading in this thread regarding how Josh Rosen could be our version of Jared Goff.

OR

Do we want to be in a position where our QB makes our entire team better?


That is how I view this entire conversation. But I want to keep re-iterating that we must wait for the combine and the pro-day.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Not really. I was more pointing out his midget comment on every post about Murray. Short by NFL standards but certainly not a midget.

Pretty sure the midget comment was in relation to NFL players.

 

[BW52]

That's the point I'm trying to make PACardsFfan.

That there's not some magical "bright-line" of height that immediately renders a QB ineffective in the NFL.

My logic goes like this:

1. Mayfield was very successful in college, and is now experiencing some success in the NFL.

2. Murray, in the exact same college environment in which Mayfield played, was slightly more successful than Mayfield.

3. Therefore, Murray will be slightly more successful than Mayfield in the NFL. Height be dammed.

If someone wants to point out that I'm missing something, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong, but I honestly believe that number three is true, and that Murray is going to be a franchise type QB at the next level.

And BW52, please don't answer with a post that includes the words "midget" and "Big XII defenses" okay? Please? Maybe instead try to point out the flaw in my argument above?

1.Mayfield is 6`0-6`1.
2.Murray is shorter and has a three-quarter motion.
3.nonsense..no basis in reality....college success does not guarantee NFL success.
4.So tell me all the 5-10 or shorter QBs who have had NFL success.
5.Mayfield had a good season and surprised a lot of people.The Brownies snuck up on some teams this past season...will it continue o be a flash season and how will the league adapt ?

 

[PACardsFan]

Those may be all valid points, but I don’t think there has EVER been a more talented 5’10” QB than Murray. He’s extremely accurate, extremely fast, extremely elusive, and has a very strong arm. On top of that, his current coach at OU, and K2 both gush about his ability to read defenses. Ok, he’s short. Is that the trump card in not taking him. I think Rosen is an overall bright guy, who can be a moron at times on the football field.

 

[TJ]

That's the point I'm trying to make PACardsFfan.

That there's not some magical "bright-line" of height that immediately renders a QB ineffective in the NFL.

My logic goes like this:

1. Mayfield was very successful in college, and is now experiencing some success in the NFL.

2. Murray, in the exact same college environment in which Mayfield played, was slightly more successful than Mayfield.

3. Therefore, Murray will be slightly more successful than Mayfield in the NFL. Height be dammed.

If someone wants to point out that I'm missing something, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong, but I honestly believe that number three is true, and that Murray is going to be a franchise type QB at the next level.

And BW52, please don't answer with a post that includes the words "midget" and "Big XII defenses" okay? Please? Maybe instead try to point out the flaw in my argument above?

Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart were in the exact same college environment and Matt was a more productive QB in college. Carson Palmer went on to have a very productive NFL career; a notch or two below HoF status. Meanwhile, Matt Leinart is considered one of the biggest QB busts in NFL history. By your logic, Matt Leinart should've been better than Palmer. We all know that was not the case.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Those may be all valid points, but I don’t think there has EVER been a more talented 5’10” QB than Murray. He’s extremely accurate, extremely fast, extremely elusive, and has a very strong arm. On top of that, his current coach at OU, and K2 both gush about his ability to read defenses. Ok, he’s short. Is that the trump card in not taking him. I think Rosen is an overall bright guy, who can be a moron at times on the football field.

Plus..... as a multi sport athlete.... He is already light years ahead of most of his peers when it comes to being a professional.

And he is used to being athletically superior to his peers. Which creates a swagger. An air of confidence that others gravitate to.

We have to wait for the combine..... but I bet this kid is going to light up the NFL in his shuttle drills. If his passing velocity is top level....... he could be a super special generational type talent.

Whether it’s 7/8’s of an inch or 2.5 inches...... The kid could be special.


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[Chopper0080]

I will just say this...Kyler Murray will not be more successful than Russell Wilson. You also will not get him in the 3rd round which is where Wilson went for a reason.

 

[TJ]

I would also add this:

Do we want to be in a position where our team makes our QB better? This is what I keep reading in this thread regarding how Josh Rosen could be our version of Jared Goff.

OR

Do we want to be in a position where our QB makes our entire team better?


That is how I view this entire conversation. But I want to keep re-iterating that we must wait for the combine and the pro-day.

That's a lot of pressure to put on a rookie QB who may not even make it to the first round. It's a fool's bet to think that Murray is that caliber of QB, and I don't think there's a rookie QB in the NFL that would've been productive at Arizona last season.

 

[BW52]

Those may be all valid points, but I don’t think there has EVER been a more talented 5’10” QB than Murray. He’s extremely accurate, extremely fast, extremely elusive, and has a very strong arm. On top of that, his current coach at OU, and K2 both gush about his ability to read defenses. Ok, he’s short. Is that the trump card in not taking him. I think Rosen is an overall bright guy, who can be a moron at times on the football field.

IMHO Murray should give half his bonus to the guys who played WR at Oklahoma.Watched many highlights from Murray and quite often the WRS saved his ass by coming back for the ball or doing what was needed to make the catch.Saw too many throws underthrown or poor placement saved by the WRS.Every report I read says Murray definitely needs to work on his progressions/'reads,inconsistent release and tucking and running too often.The kid has some good tools but you can be schemed against if your QB has to roll out constantly to open a throw lane and/or takes off running at the drop off a hat.Kid has too many flaws that to be corrected for a number 1 pick IMHO.

 

[Dr. Jones]

That's a lot of pressure to put on a rookie QB who may not even make it to the first round. It's a fool's bet to think that Murray is that caliber of QB, and I don't think there's a rookie QB in the NFL that would've been productive at Arizona last season.

I would think a QB with 70% accuracy with a rocket arm and world class / Vick level elusiveness would have done a far better job than Rosen.

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