Kyler Murray entering Draft

[TheCardFan]

Agree.

Tell me mainstreet. Is it the dumbest idea in the world to draft Murray, and then let him and Rosen, you know, compete for the starting role?

I know that's a lot of draft capital for one position, but isn't the QB spot worth it?

When was the last time a team picked 2 QB's in the top 10 in 2 years?

What we don't know is how the team values Rosen (elite, solid, or sketchy)?

Nobody will disagree QB is the most important but you are not talking about Rosen vs Luck or Manning. You are talking about a 5'9 QB (also unprecedented).

 

[TJ]

When was the last time a team picked 2 QB's in the top 10 in 2 years?

What we don't know is how the team values Rosen (elite, solid, or sketchy)?

Nobody will disagree QB is the most important but you are not talking about Rosen vs Luck or Manning. You are talking about a 5'9 QB (also unprecedented).

The team put a high value on Rosen as evidenced by drafting him 10th overall and trading up to get him. Doubt they see him as just solid or sketchy.

 

[DVontel]

When was the last time a team picked 2 QB's in the top 10 in 2 years?

What we don't know is how the team values Rosen (elite, solid, or sketchy)?

Nobody will disagree QB is the most important but you are not talking about Rosen vs Luck or Manning. You are talking about a 5'9 QB (also unprecedented).

Lmao @ “last time” I’m pretty sure that never even happened.

 

[Mainstreet]

On every mock draft I've seen, your boy is the 3rd. or 4th QB off the board and, frankly, no one can speak with any certainty after the first season of a 21 year old on a team beset with O-line problems.

Don't believe me? Ask the Rams.

If you read my post again you will see I'm not locked into Murray. I only want the Cardinals to protect themselves if Rosen doesn't work out. As an example I mentioned Haskins as well.

 

[TJ]

If you read my post again you will see I'm not locked into Murray. I only want the Cardinals to protect themselves if Rosen doesn't work out. As an example I mentioned Haskins as well.

And using the #1 pick in the draft on a QB is not how you protect yourself. In fact, I'm not even convinced the Cards should take a QB at all in this draft with the needs we have at key positions. We already have a solid QB2 on the roster in Glennon, so there's no need for a backup. Any QB taken would be QB3 and no guarantee to make the roster.

The smart money in this situation would be to go all-in with Josh with no regret and chalk up his struggles last season to piss poor play calling, bad o-line, and a substandard, injured WR corp. If all of those variables are controlled and Josh still struggles, 2020's QB class is pretty damn good and we'll obviously be in position to take one of those guys.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Mainstreet, TJ and TheCardFan, thanks for your intelligent and well-reasoned responses to my question from earlier today.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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[Krangodnzr]

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I would. Doesn't mean I want to trade Rosen.

 

[Krangodnzr]

If you read my post again you will see I'm not locked into Murray. I only want the Cardinals to protect themselves if Rosen doesn't work out. As an example I mentioned Haskins as well.

Teams can't really protect themselves from QBs busting. But what they can do is figuring out if that QB is going to bust quickly and moving on.

This isn't the time to move on. No QB would have been very successful on last year's offense.

 

[Mainstreet]

The smart money in this situation would be to go all-in with Josh with no regret and chalk up his struggles last season to piss poor play calling, bad o-line, and a substandard, injured WR corp. If all of those variables are controlled and Josh still struggles, 2020's QB class is pretty damn good and we'll obviously be in position to take one of those guys.

If the quarterbacks in this draft are not worthy of a top ten pick then it's wrong to even think quarterback.

I must say the idea of being really bad two years in a row bothers me and quarterback is the most important position on the team.

It's hard to know where the Cardinals draft next year but I don't like the idea of going back to the well again for a quarterback perhaps giving up a lot of assets to move down.

The Cardinals will have their remaining draft picks and free agency to improve the team if they go quarterback.

I guess the idea of giving up lots of assets for a quarterback if Rosen fails triggers my concerns.

 

[Mainstreet]

Teams can't really protect themselves from QBs busting. But what they can do is figuring out if that QB is going to bust quickly and moving on.

This isn't the time to move on. No QB would have been very successful on last year's offense.

It's hard to argue against last year's offense being bad. They were and the offensive line was porous.

I guess we don't know much about Rosen other than what we saw. I'm definitely for keeping him because we don't know.

I do think Kingsbury's offense may not require a top quarterback. The problems with his teams have been the defense not the offense.

I'm only kicking the tires and not eliminating quarterback as a need.

 

[Chopper0080]

The best way to protect a QB from being a bust is to put him in a QB friendly system that plays to his strengths, protect him, and then put pieces around him to be successful. This is what needs to happen with Rosen. There is no reason that he cannot be as successful as Matt Ryan.

 

[Praxis]

Teams can't really protect themselves from QBs busting. But what they can do is figuring out if that QB is going to bust quickly and moving on.

This isn't the time to move on. No QB would have been very successful on last year's offense.

I'd have no problem moving on if we get 75 cents on the dollar. I agree that circumstances were really bad, I just like Murray's potential more, especially with Kingsbury.

 

[GatorAZ]

The best way to protect a QB from being a bust is to put him in a QB friendly system that plays to his strengths, protect him, and then put pieces around him to be successful. This is what needs to happen with Rosen. There is no reason that he cannot be as successful as Matt Ryan.

Ryan hit his stride around 26-27 years old and keep in mind he came out of Boston College as a redshirt Sr. Rosen spent 3 years in college and is still 21. His prime/peak feels like a lifetime away.

 

[slanidrac16]

The best way to protect a QB from being a bust is to put him in a QB friendly system that plays to his strengths, protect him, and then put pieces around him to be successful. This is what needs to happen with Rosen. There is no reason that he cannot be as successful as Matt Ryan.

Absolutely. We have a perfect opportunity to build this team around Rosen with the tools he needs to succeed. With a good draft and more importantly for this year a solid free agency I believe we can get to 8-8.

 

[cwamjn]

It will be interesting to see what happens if Murray is there at #33.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It will be interesting to see what happens if Murray is there at #33.

He won't be, and he'll be the first QB off the board.

Like Mayfield, a potential generational-talent will just be too tempting to GMs. They can't resist.

Haskins isn't bad, but he doesn't move the needle the way Murray does.

Murray is like gasoline on a fire. He gets things going.

 

[Mainstreet]

When was the last time a team picked 2 QB's in the top 10 in 2 years?

What we don't know is how the team values Rosen (elite, solid, or sketchy)?

Nobody will disagree QB is the most important but you are not talking about Rosen vs Luck or Manning. You are talking about a 5'9 QB (also unprecedented).

This made be curious. I don't know of any examples that meet this criteria although there may be one out there.

The Cowboys did select Troy Aikman number 1 in the 1989 draft and selected Steve Wash in the supplemental draft.

By the way I'm not locked into drafting Murray or any player.

 

[BW52]

He won't be, and he'll be the first QB off the board.

Like Mayfield, a potential generational-talent will just be too tempting to GMs. They can't resist.

Haskins isn't bad, but he doesn't move the needle the way Murray does.

Murray is like gasoline on a fire. He gets things going.

Blatant homerism run wild.Generational talent? LMFAO

 

[TheCardFan]

This made be curious. I don't know of any examples that meet this criteria although there may be one out there.

The Cowboys did select Troy Aikman number 1 in the 1989 draft and selected Steve Wash in the supplemental draft.

By the way I'm not locked into drafting Murray or any player.

Wow...interesting.

3. Steve Walsh. Walsh's selection by Jimmy Johnson in 1989 was curious for many reasons, not least that he had invested a first-round pick in quarterback Troy Aikman just weeks earlier. Johnson spent another first-rounder on Walsh, with whom he had won the 1987 national championship at the University of Miami.

Walsh actually won the Dallas Cowboys starting job ahead of Aikman in his rookie season, starting five games -- including the team's only victory that year -- before being benched for the eventual three-time Super Bowl winner. Walsh was traded to New Orleans a year later and wound up playing for six NFL teams in an undistinguished 11-year NFL career.

Then they later traded Walsh to New Orleans:

Dallas quarterback Steve Walsh, who has been Troy Aikman's backup since both were drafted last year, was traded to New Orleans today for three draft picks.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said his team will receive the Saints' No. 1 and No. 3 choices in 1991 and a No. 2 pick in 1992. Jones said the No. 2 pick could be upgraded to a No. 1 if Walsh performs well for the Saints.Walsh, who started five games last season when Aikman was injured, will compete for the starting job in New Orleans with John Fourcade, who has been erratic in the Saints' first three games.

 

[Mainstreet]

Wow...interesting.

3. Steve Walsh. Walsh's selection by Jimmy Johnson in 1989 was curious for many reasons, not least that he had invested a first-round pick in quarterback Troy Aikman just weeks earlier. Johnson spent another first-rounder on Walsh, with whom he had won the 1987 national championship at the University of Miami.

Walsh actually won the Dallas Cowboys starting job ahead of Aikman in his rookie season, starting five games -- including the team's only victory that year -- before being benched for the eventual three-time Super Bowl winner. Walsh was traded to New Orleans a year later and wound up playing for six NFL teams in an undistinguished 11-year NFL career.

Then they later traded Walsh to New Orleans:

Dallas quarterback Steve Walsh, who has been Troy Aikman's backup since both were drafted last year, was traded to New Orleans today for three draft picks.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said his team will receive the Saints' No. 1 and No. 3 choices in 1991 and a No. 2 pick in 1992. Jones said the No. 2 pick could be upgraded to a No. 1 if Walsh performs well for the Saints.Walsh, who started five games last season when Aikman was injured, will compete for the starting job in New Orleans with John Fourcade, who has been erratic in the Saints' first three games.

I think the key is drafting value. Walsh was clearly worth the selection.

 

[BW52]

I have yet to see any draftsite say Kyler Murray is the top QB in this draft.Not one.Most have Murray as the 2nd Qb taken.Bucky Brooks (NFL.com. and former NFL player) has Murray 4th QB taken (very late 1st round.Another site run by a former NFL scout has Murray as the 2nd Qb ranked.
Every site has Dwayne Haskins(OHIO ST) ranked as top QB.Daniel Jones(DUKE)and Drew Lock (Missouri)and Murray (OK) top 4 QBs

 

[Dr. Jones]

I have yet to see any draftsite say Kyler Murray is the top QB in this draft.Not one.Most have Murray as the 2nd Qb taken.Bucky Brooks (NFL.com. and former NFL player) has Murray 4th QB taken (very late 1st round.Another site run by a former NFL scout has Murray as the 2nd Qb ranked.
Every site has Dwayne Haskins(OHIO ST) ranked as top QB.Daniel Jones(DUKE)and Drew Lock (Missouri)and Murray (OK) top 4 QBs

Exactly like Baker last year. At this stage it was all about Darnold.


Put me in the column that thinks KM will be the 1st QB off the board.

 

[BW52]

Exactly like Baker last year. At this stage it was all about Darnold.


Put me in the column that thinks KM will be the 1st QB off the board.

Mayfield isn`t 5`10 is he? Murray will be a coach killer in the NFl.Some team will buy the hype and then watch him have a Flutie-like career at best.

 

[TheCardFan]

Mayfield isn`t 5`10 is he? Murray will be a coach killer in the NFl.Some team will buy the hype and then watch him have a Flutie-like career at best.

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