Marion

[devilalum]

A++++++++++ game by The Matrix.

36 and 20 is SICK --- and from a 6-7 player? In a critical playoff game? Pardon my french, mods, but that is just ******* SICK.

Him and Bell tonight - wow!

Slammed to the floor - guarding the other teams best players throughout the game - twisted ankle - clutch effort and rebounds and steals and baskets - the list goes on and on.

I have to seriously ask: WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?!

Face reality: this team is seriously undermanned for the bruising NBA playoffs. Yet, they have the most heart and fight and soul I've seen in watching pro ball for 25 years. There is NO quit in them.

To question any of these dudes commitment or heart or worth or anything, at this stage, is just wrong. To talk about trading any of them just reeks of missing the wonderful green grass in front of your house while admiring the neighbor's lawn across the street.

Heck, yer breaking one of the 10 Basketball Commandments:

Thou shalt not covet another team's players whilst thy team is still kicking butt in the playoffs!!



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amen

 

[Joe Mama]

It wa flagrant, he hit him from behind on a break away and who else would have given the Suns 32 and 20 against one of the best rebounding teams in the league?

First of all, it was not a flagrant foul. Of course that doesn't really matter because originally you were saying that Shawn Marion missed the free throws because of the hard foul. I think that's probably true. He looked pretty dazed when he was shooting those free throws.

Who else could score 36 points and grab 20 rebounds? How about KG? Shawn Marion had a fantastic game last night. Most of us have said that we would not be happy with simply dumping him. I'm not sure why people get upset that we are talking about trading Shawn Marion for a superstar like Kevin Garnett... a 7 foot, great defensive player.

Actually its true IMO. Unfortunately some people just prefer to have team filled with superstars then just building around 1 or 2.

With KG and Amare on the same team you'd have them fight over the ball and they'd both clog up the lane. I doubt KG would like to be a jumpshooter.

Besides the point the KG to Phoenix trade idea is nothing more then a dream IMO. If he gets traded he's going out east

What KG have you been watching? He's capable of going inside and dominating a game, but he prefers to play the midrange game. I honestly cannot think of a player that would complement Amare Stoudemire or fit on this team better than KG. He's one of the few big men who would NOT clog the middle for Amare Stoudemire (I guarantee he could hit these wide-open three-point shots at a much higher clip than Shawn Marion). Defensively and on the boards he would be a monster.

Besides, on the other end of the court where KG makes the biggest difference. Everybody praises Shawn Marion for defending bigger players almost every night. He does deserve credit for that as it can't be easy. However the mistake there is not seen that most of the time he is not stopping these players. Most of the time they go off for huge numbers, and that's when the Phoenix Suns are giving constant double-team help. With KG in the frontcourt that double teaming is a luxury as opposed to a necessity.

Again, that was a great game from Shawn Marion. Let's hope he brings it again in Game 6 and his ankle is OK. I don't want to just dump his salary, but IF there is a possibility for a KG trade I'm all for it.

Thank you for your time,
Joe

 

[elindholm]

hater

 

[hcsilla]

troll

 

[Savage58]

A++++++++++ game by The Matrix.

36 and 20 is SICK --- and from a 6-7 player? In a critical playoff game? Pardon my french, mods, but that is just ******* SICK.

Him and Bell tonight - wow!

Slammed to the floor - guarding the other teams best players throughout the game - twisted ankle - clutch effort and rebounds and steals and baskets - the list goes on and on.

I have to seriously ask: WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?!

Face reality: this team is seriously undermanned for the bruising NBA playoffs. Yet, they have the most heart and fight and soul I've seen in watching pro ball for 25 years. There is NO quit in them.

To question any of these dudes commitment or heart or worth or anything, at this stage, is just wrong. To talk about trading any of them just reeks of missing the wonderful green grass in front of your house while admiring the neighbor's lawn across the street.

Heck, yer breaking one of the 10 Basketball Commandments:

Thou shalt not covet another team's players whilst thy team is still kicking butt in the playoffs!!



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Double Amen to that!

Last night The Matrix showed true grit, and he even made me stand up off my couch and clap as he re-entered the game after that hard fall on his left foot. I thought he was done for the night after watching him slide around on the floor in pain, Good foul Stevie Nash!!

As for all the Marion for KG talk, people need to put down the crack pipe, because it's never going to happen, it's dreaming but dreaming isn't necessary right now folks, we're 1 win from the conference finals which would be against DALLAS!!!!!! We can beat them, then onto the Finals.

WTF are we talking about trading one of our best players right now? In the immortal words of Neve Campbel, "Is your brain leaking!?" l

 

[TucsonDevil]

Couple of things - Marion showed major heart. On several occasions, he was the ONLY guy underneath battling for rebounds against 2-3 Clippers. He played harder tonight than I have seen all season (granted I missed game 3). You can't walk into 20 rebounds...

HOWEVER, he then went 0-5 from three point land. I understand that he may be tired and trying to pull his defender out of the lane - but Shawn should only be attempting 5 3-pointers when he has hit his first 2.

All things being equal - Marion is a great compliment to Amare... who cares (for now) who is a better compliment - We already have Shawn and he is keeping us alive.

FINALLY - HOW ABOUT THOSE TWO PUT BACK DUNKS ON MISSES LAST NIGHT (the second is when he jammed his ankle coming down). THAT IS THE MARION I LOVE TO SEE. :notworthy

 

[zett]

well one thing you can count on, is thursday the tortilla will show up again and hopefully shawn comes back for game 7! BTW huge game shawn great effort. Thats all it really takes of him is effort

 

[TucsonDevil]

well one thing you can count on, is thursday the tortilla will show up again and hopefully shawn comes back for game 7! BTW huge game shawn great effort. Thats all it really takes of him is effort

Can we now say that the "tortilla" is now more of a "hard shelled" tostada?

 

[nowagimp]

What KG have you been watching? He's capable of going inside and dominating a game, but he prefers to play the midrange game. I honestly cannot think of a player that would complement Amare Stoudemire or fit on this team better than KG. He's one of the few big men who would NOT clog the middle for Amare Stoudemire (I guarantee he could hit these wide-open three-point shots at a much higher clip than Shawn Marion). Defensively and on the boards he would be a monster.
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Thank you for your time,
Joe

I think at 7' 220 lbs KG prefers to play outside cause he's not strong enough to play PF on offense. If he's so good inside, I cant imagine shooting outside jumpers is a higher percentage or a better use of his talent. He's the best low post player on the team but he "prefers to play outside". At 220 lbs, he's the weight of an average small forward. 30lbs of muscle less than Elton Brand or Lebron. He might be one of the skinniest 7 footers in the NBA. And he's 32 years old, going on 33, and the tall ones lose quickness faster in the NBA as their hearts work alot harder. When KG loses his ability to outquick other 7 footers, his lack of muscle will be an even bigger problem.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And he's 32 years old, going on 33, and the tall ones lose quickness faster in the NBA as their hearts work alot harder. When KG loses his ability to outquick other 7 footers, his lack of muscle will be an even bigger problem.

when did KG jump in the Bill and Ted time machine and come back having aged an extra two years? 32 going on 33? He's 29 GOING ON 30. Seriously - are people just making stuff up about KG because they realize they're argument is crap?

Credibility, continuing to slink away with every post.

 

[Joe Mama]

I think at 7' 220 lbs KG prefers to play outside cause he's not strong enough to play PF on offense. If he's so good inside, I cant imagine shooting outside jumpers is a higher percentage or a better use of his talent. He's the best low post player on the team but he "prefers to play outside". At 220 lbs, he's the weight of an average small forward. 30lbs of muscle less than Elton Brand or Lebron. He might be one of the skinniest 7 footers in the NBA. And he's 32 years old, going on 33, and the tall ones lose quickness faster in the NBA as their hearts work alot harder. When KG loses his ability to outquick other 7 footers, his lack of muscle will be an even bigger problem.

Kevin Garnett might have been 220 pounds when he first entered the NBA in 1995. My guess is he's at least 240 pounds now. He's lean at 7-0, but he's all muscle. besides, what's your argument here? He is fully capable of working inside, but he prefers to face up at 15-20 feet and shoot over people or drive to the basket.

And for the last time, KG turns 30 in three days. where do people keep coming up with this crap about him being 32 going on 33?

Joe

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kevin Garnett might have been 220 pounds when he first entered the NBA in 1995. My guess is he's at least 240 pounds now. He's lean at 7-0, but he's all muscle. besides, what's your argument here? He is fully capable of working inside, but he prefers to face up at 15-20 feet and shoot over people or drive to the basket.

And for the last time, KG turns 30 in three days. where do people keep coming up with this crap about him being 32 going on 33?

Joe

because they're argument sucks and they have very little to back it up?

 

[elindholm]

I think at 7' 220 lbs KG prefers to play outside cause he's not strong enough to play PF on offense. If he's so good inside, I cant imagine shooting outside jumpers is a higher percentage or a better use of his talent. He's the best low post player on the team but he "prefers to play outside".

Earth to nowagimp, come in please.

Your argument is that Garnett is, in some ways, not a true power forward. Thanks for the insight. Guess what? Neither is Marion. They are both "natural" SFs who, for reasons of circumstance, often find themselves playing inside. So which one is better suited to bang with true PFs and Cs? Would you really rather have Marion guarding Duncan than Garnett?

Also, the fact that Garnett is comfortable with his mid-range game is exactly why his talents would mesh so well with Stoudemire's. That's the whole point.

 

[SirStefan32]

AND another big difference between Marion and Garnett is that Garnett can create his own shot against ANYBODY.

 

[nowagimp]

I think at 7' 220 lbs KG prefers to play outside cause he's not strong enough to play PF on offense. If he's so good inside, I cant imagine shooting outside jumpers is a higher percentage or a better use of his talent. He's the best low post player on the team but he "prefers to play outside".

Earth to nowagimp, come in please.

You cant fool me Eindholm, anyone who has stated that House AND Barbosa(NBA leader in 3pt %) "cant shoot" cannot be from earth.

 

[nowagimp]

AND another big difference between Marion and Garnett is that Garnett can create his own shot against ANYBODY.

Funny how the pistons and spurs keep winning championships without such a great player who can create his own shot against anybody. And the Mavs may do it this year, without a guy who can create his own shot against anybody. Oh right, its a TEAM game, not a bunch of guys playing one-on-one.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Funny how the pistons and spurs keep winning championships without such a great player who can create his own shot against anybody. And the Mavs may do it this year, without a guy who can create his own shot against anybody. Oh right, its a TEAM game, not a bunch of guys playing one-on-one.

uh - what? Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli and Tim Duncan DON'T create their own shot AGAINST ANYBODY?

Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups don't create their own shot against ANYBODY? And Sheed doesn't demand double teams... and Prince doens't create his own shot either?

BOTH of those teams have MULTIPLE guys who create not only their own shot, but shots for others - it's what makes those teams so great.
But, I think I've finally figured you out - you smoke crack... that HAS to be the only logical conclusion to inane after inane post.

And, funny, is there a reason you fail to correct yourself on an outright lie of Garnett's age?

 

[tobiazz]

Funny how the pistons and spurs keep winning championships without such a great player who can create his own shot against anybody. And the Mavs may do it this year, without a guy who can create his own shot against anybody. Oh right, its a TEAM game, not a bunch of guys playing one-on-one.

Guys who can create their own shot: Manu, Parker, Duncan, Dirk, Stack, Sheed, Billups. Right?

We have maybe Nash and Diaw (not counting Amare). I guess anyone can create their own shot but who can create their own high percentage shot is what's important. The guys I listed can.

 

[Gaddabout]

Funny how the pistons and spurs keep winning championships without such a great player who can create his own shot against anybody. And the Mavs may do it this year, without a guy who can create his own shot against anybody. Oh right, its a TEAM game, not a bunch of guys playing one-on-one.

Pistons - Chauncey Billups
Spurs - Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli
Mavs - Dirk Nowitzki

Those guys will get their points without much help. In fact, it's usually critical to winning that they do just that.

 

[hcsilla]

The more we talk about the Marion+young talents, picks for KG trade the more I like it. Too bad I'm not Kevin McHale.

 

[nowagimp]

Guys who can create their own shot: Manu, Parker, Duncan, Dirk, Stack, Sheed, Billups. Right?

We have maybe Nash and Diaw (not counting Amare). I guess anyone can create their own shot but who can create their own high percentage shot is what's important. The guys I listed can.

So these guys can create their own shot against ANYBODY??? That was the quote tobiazz. KG can create his own shot against ANYBODY. Jkidd shut out Billups, Duncan creates shots for others notably parker and ginobli, which in turn opens up his shot. As for rasheed creating his shot against anybody, dont make me laugh. Dirk, against anybody? stack against anybody? As for high percentage shots, you might want to look up the percentages. Parker yes, but its almost always off the doubling of Duncan. Who actually created the shot that puts the defender out of position Duncan or Parker?

 

[elindholm]

You cant fool me Eindholm, anyone who has stated that House AND Barbosa(NBA leader in 3pt %) "cant shoot" cannot be from earth.

I believe I said that they were poor shooters. If I said they "can't shoot," then you're right, I was exaggerating.

House, of course, has regressed to his mean as the season has progressed. The Housteria on this board has died down considerably now that his true value is apparent. As for Barbosa, I still don't think he'll ever be a premium outside shooter. He had a great run in the regular season, in a limited sample size, but it remains to be seen whether he can sustain it. (He hasn't in the playoffs, but of course that's an even smaller sample size so far.)

Once again, however, you are confusing a wrong prediction with a wrong assessment of things in the here and now. That seems to be your default defense at this point, so I guess it would be a waste of time to attempt additional discussion. For simplicity, let's just agree that the following is an adequate substitute for all of our further conversations:

nowagimp: Garnett sucks, and besides, he's 45 years old.

elindholm: Garnett turns 30 in a few days.

nowagimp: What do you know? You didn't think Barbosa would post good three-point shooting numbers this season.

elindholm: You're right, you win, sorry to have questioned you.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So these guys can create their own shot against ANYBODY??? That was the quote tobiazz. KG can create his own shot against ANYBODY. Jkidd shut out Billups, Duncan creates shots for others notably parker and ginobli, which in turn opens up his shot. As for rasheed creating his shot against anybody, dont make me laugh. Dirk, against anybody? stack against anybody? As for high percentage shots, you might want to look up the percentages. Parker yes, but its almost always off the doubling of Duncan. Who actually created the shot that puts the defender out of position Duncan or Parker?

wow - you're smoking A LOT of crack today, aren't you?

Again - how old is KG?

I believe the Suns board has found the Cards-board equivalent of TANGO - oye ve for all of us.

 

[nowagimp]

I believe I said that they were poor shooters. If I said they "can't shoot," then you're right, I was exaggerating.

Yeah well I didnt check Garnetts age, my fault, but I wasnt intentionally exaggerating. I still think 20 mil is too much for any player on this team. Thats equal to Nash Bell and TT at the MLE. I dont think any player is so good that the suns wont need depth. If Marions salary is too much to keep Diaw, TT, Barbs, then I'd just trade out of it, not take another bigger salary on.

 

[elindholm]

If Marions salary is too much to keep Diaw, TT, Barbs, then I'd just trade out of it, not take another bigger salary on.

Fair enough. In fact, I'd agree that that's more likely than a Garnett scenario.