Minnesota Fan Source Reports KG in talks with Suns

[Mainstreet]

On a team that didn't even try to win games ... Its not a surprise he got those statistics when Pierce sat out as well.

We will just disagree and I will leave it at that, and the 1 year age difference between Barbosa and Jefferson hardly matters.

Just for comparions sake, Barbosa averaged 18ppg 3rpg 4apg and over a steal per game off the bench for a GREAT team. I don't want to imagine what numbers he could have put up on a god awful team like Boston as the #1 option.

You are not going to convince me that Jefferson is more valueable than Barbosa on the trade market especially considering contract situation and there is no way in hell you could convince me he is worth more than Barbosa and Atlantas pick combined, no way..

PS: Post Allstar Game Barbosa averaged over 20ppg 3rpg 4apg on 49.5%FG and 46.7%3pt%.

On this we can agree.

I think Barbosa has future star potential (actually I think he has arrived). And I do not believe Barbosa has reached his ceiling. I think he will prosper further if the Suns can get a back-up PG that can help distribute.

 

[slinslin]

So Elton Brand was valued over Allen Iverson? I don't think so and its an adequate comparison to Jefferson and Barbosa.

Is Carlos Boozer valued over Gilbert Arenas right now? Don't think so either.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We will just disagree and I will leave it at that, and the 1 year age difference between Barbosa and Jefferson hardly matters.

right, because players don't make huge leaps (especially players with no college experience, or little college experience) in between their third and fourth years. I mean, we didn't see a huge jump with Leo, Amare, or JJ after they came on in their third year going into their fourth. That didn't happen right? give me a break slin. You're arguments are just awful man. beyond awful.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So Elton Brand was valued over Allen Iverson? I don't think so and its an adequate comparison to Jefferson and Barbosa.

this is LUDICROUS - you're now comparing Barbosa to Iverson?! That's in essence what you're doing, you realize that, right?

just when I think your argument can't get any lower, you just keep digging and digging.

 

[slinslin]

Actually Amare came on in his 2nd season, was a MVP candidate in his 3rd and sat out his 4th.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I'd rather have Jefferson than Barbosa....

 

[slinslin]

this is LUDICROUS - you're now comparing Barbosa to Iverson?! That's in essence what you're doing, you realize that, right?

just when I think your argument can't get any lower, you just keep digging and digging.

Ok I will just stop trying to argue with you, pointless.

I compared Elton Brand to Allen Iverson to Al Jefferson to Leandro Barbosa not Barbosa to Iverson.

Guess you don't understand that?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Man I just hope we don't give up Amare..

Marion , Thomas, Barbosa, Atlanta pick, #29, 2009 pick for Garnett and Jaric.

That's is the absolute most I could imagine us giving up. And I don't think the Suns would offer that much.

Is that worse than Boston's deal though? I say no way.

Marion = #5 Ratliff
Barbosa = Al Jefferson
(Barbosa is signed for 5yrs/30M$ and proved himself on a great team, Jefferson will look for a max extension this summer and hasn't proved himself on any team other than a EC team for just half a season that purposedly lost games)
Thomas, and the picks are better than marginal young talents as Gomes or Green combined with Wally Sczerbiak.

you're right on the marion for the #5 and ratliff.

you're wrong on the barbs - al jefferson. a big always wins. particularly a young big who has already shown potential (16 and 11).

you're wrong on the thomas and late picks being better than gomes, green wally. those three have proven they can play and green has a lot of upside still. thomas is not being traded for in any way other than as an expiring contract and the picks are late or questionable (atlanta's pick).

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ok I will just stop trying to argue with you, pointless.

I compared Elton Brand to Allen Iverson to Al Jefferson to Leandro Barbosa not Barbosa to Iverson.

Guess you don't understand that?

honestly slin, if you don't see the inherent problem with the above, well, then, I have to believe you have been taken over by sunscardinalswhoelse guy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Actually Amare came on in his 2nd season, was a MVP candidate in his 3rd and sat out his 4th.

your right - he was even more advanced, but it doesn't change the fact that high school players and guys right out of college after one year continue to get much better in between their 3rd and 4th years.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Oh sorry for not looking up the details of this but the idea is the same

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3832/splits;_ylt=AnZaX6LRM7A3QQGJlWXx01mkvLYF

Pre Allstar game he averaged just 13/10 and shot 48%.

for a young big 13/10 and 48% isn't bad. particularly when you consider the overall 17/11 for 69 games (which is an entire season for some like jermaine oneal).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

On a team that didn't even try to win games ... Its not a surprise he got those statistics when Pierce sat out as well.

We will just disagree and I will leave it at that, and the 1 year age difference between Barbosa and Jefferson hardly matters.

Just for comparions sake, Barbosa averaged 18ppg 3rpg 4apg and over a steal per game off the bench for a GREAT team. I don't want to imagine what numbers he could have put up on a god awful team like Boston as the #1 option.

You are not going to convince me that Jefferson is more valueable than Barbosa on the trade market especially considering contract situation and there is no way in hell you could convince me he is worth more than Barbosa and Atlantas pick combined, no way..

PS: Post Allstar Game Barbosa averaged over 20ppg 3rpg 4apg on 49.5%FG and 46.7%3pt%.

so you discounted the numbers amare and jj put up during our year of dread post marbury pre nash? 'cuz that's what you're saying. numbers don't lie. other teams don't stop trying to stop you just 'cuz you suck. jefferson earned those numbers.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So Elton Brand was valued over Allen Iverson? I don't think so and its an adequate comparison to Jefferson and Barbosa.

Is Carlos Boozer valued over Gilbert Arenas right now? Don't think so either.

actually, i think elton brand WOULD be valued over iverson.

if boozer were a better defender, the answer to your second question would be yes, but as it is i think gilbert takes this one by a hair.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So Elton Brand was valued over Allen Iverson? I don't think so and its an adequate comparison to Jefferson and Barbosa.

Is Carlos Boozer valued over Gilbert Arenas right now? Don't think so either.

how do either one of those have any bearing on Jefferson v. Barbs.

In the comparisons above, both Arenas and Iverson have been team leaders who have averaged 30ish points on playoff teams. How is Barbs in any way the same as them?

I swear if someone said:

Iverson in his prime > Brand and Arenas > Boozer proves that Barbs =Jefferson

you'd look at them and think they were insane. there's just a huge disconnect in throwing Barbs in there as if he's somewhat like Arenas and Iverson.

 

[slinslin]

how do either one of those have any bearing on Jefferson v. Barbs.

In the comparisons above, both Arenas and Iverson have been team leaders who have averaged 30ish points on playoff teams. How is Barbs in any way the same as them?

How is Jefferson in any way the same as Boozer or Brand?

You know the point is not to compare Barbosa to either Arenas or Iverson?

 

[Cheesebeef]

actually, i think elton brand WOULD be valued over iverson.

now he would, but not in Iverson's prime. But even saying that, I'm still having a hard time figuring out how Iverson being better than Brand somehow proves that Barbs is Jefferson's equal, value wise.

 

[Cheesebeef]

How is Jefferson in any way the same as Boozer or Brand?

You know the point is not to compare Barbosa to either Arenas or Iverson?

then why bring them up? to show that there are some smalls that are valued more than bigs? Okay, but those smalls are HOF-type players, thus talking about them really doesn't have anything to do with Barbosa in the convo, so I still can't figuure out why you'd bring them up.

 

[slinslin]

you're wrong on the thomas and late picks being better than gomes, green wally. those three have proven they can play and green has a lot of upside still. thomas is not being traded for in any way other than as an expiring contract and the picks are late or questionable (atlanta's pick).

Ok so the deal you think Boston is willing to offfer is

Theo Ratliff, Wally Sczerbiak, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson and the #5 pick for Kevin Garnett and Troy Hudson?

What would Boston's roster be after this?

Perkins/????
Garnett/Scalabrine/Powe
Pierce/????
West/Maybe Tony Allen/Ray
Rondo/Hudson

Anyway, Wally Szcerbiak has 2 years for 26M$ left on his contract, no matter how you spin it getting that in return is not better than getting the expiring contract of Thomas and even just late picks in a strong draft.
And if you consider that Wally is still getting traded for to actually contribute positive things (not to mention after Minnesota managed to finally get rid of him a year ago or so) on the court, but Thomas is just an expiring contract who cant actually play, I think that is silly.

 

[Cheesebeef]

just saw this on FOXSPORTS.COM, date June 20, 2007 - hadn't seen it posted, but apparently more smoke in the air:

http://www.benmaller.com/nba_rumors_notes#145706

"Latest Kevin Garnett trade rumor: The Wolves send the 31-year-old all-star to the Phoenix Suns in a convoluted three-way deal with the Boston Celtics that includes Shawn Marion going to Boston and Minnesota getting the No. 5 pick from the Celtics, plus several young players. The Wolves already have the No. 7 overall pick in the June 28 draft. It's unclear, though, how Garnett's $22 million salary would match up for the deal."

 

[az1965]

just saw this on FOXSPORTS.COM, date June 20, 2007 - hadn't seen it posted, but apparently more smoke in the air:

http://www.benmaller.com/nba_rumors_notes#145706

"Latest Kevin Garnett trade rumor: The Wolves send the 31-year-old all-star to the Phoenix Suns in a convoluted three-way deal with the Boston Celtics that includes Shawn Marion going to Boston and Minnesota getting the No. 5 pick from the Celtics, plus several young players. The Wolves already have the No. 7 overall pick in the June 28 draft. It's unclear, though, how Garnett's $22 million salary would match up for the deal."

More BS in the air...


But, you gotta appreciate media's fantasies with Suns... apparently they all want Suns to win it all and are trying to stir up these scenarios.

 

[az1965]

Wow... 37 pages on a baseless rumor and still going....

 

[Cheesebeef]

More BS in the air...


But, you gotta appreciate media's fantasies with Suns... apparently they all want Suns to win it all and are trying to stir up these scenarios.

i don't know if it's all BS, I mean Ainge has gone on record as saying he's actually talked to the Wolves about Garnett and the silence on the Garnett front amongst shooting down Jamison/Kobe trade rumors by Griffin spoke louder than anything else he said.

there's apparently talks going on - but who knows if anything happens because of them.

 

[The Commish]

Wow... 37 pages on a baseless rumor and still going....

I'd hardly call it a baseless rumor at this point...

 

[hsandhu]

i don't know if it's all BS, I mean Ainge has gone on record as saying he's actually talked to the Wolves about Garnett and the silence on the Garnett front amongst shooting down Jamison/Kobe trade rumors by Griffin spoke louder than anything else he said.

there's apparently talks going on - but who knows if anything happens because of them.

Damn you, don't you know if you get optimistic this has no chance of going down.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Damn you, don't you know if you get optimistic this has no chance of going down.

darnit, I know! why do you think I keep slamming every time slin says where he talks about our deal being better than the C's!

but your right - total BS. Complete and utter BS. Believing we're going to get Garnett is like believing that Duncan and Bowen were gonna be suspended. Sometimes (or, all the time for Suns fans seemingly) life just isn't fair!

btw - did anyone flip through late night channels and vomit when they saw Bruce Bowen on the Tonight Show with Leno? It took every ounce of restraint not to get up and throw my TV out the window. Duncan, Parker oreven Ginobli I can buy, but BRUCE FREAKING BOWEN - ON THE TONIGHT SHOW?!

God enjoys torturing Suns fans. There's no other explanation to Bruce Bowen being on Jay Leno. And that being said, I now fully believe that what I wrote and posted two posts earlier was complete crap. We ain't getting KG - too good to be true.