I would venture to say no we wouldnt.. The Spurs are still around..
Minnesota Fan Source Reports KG in talks with Suns
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I would venture to say no we wouldnt.. The Spurs are still around..
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Yeah and obviously the oldest team in the nba is a horrible thing to be you know. I am sure the spurs could tell us about how horrible it is all the while polishing their latest trophy.
I would love to get excited about this but I just can't. Until I see a legit rumor being reported on a major sports site (even then it doesn't make it credible) I will treat this as any other rumor started in a forum.
Having said that, if this trade includes Amare I will go through the roof. I would rather the team stand pat and take another stab at it rather then trade Amare for KG. I could live with Marion and hope this rumor is true if that's all we have to give up.
Having said that, if this trade includes Amare I will go through the roof. I would rather the team stand pat and take another stab at it rather then trade Amare for KG. I could live with Marion and hope this rumor is true if that's all we have to give up.
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I actually don't think it is going to happen either, but I can't help but go nuts over it even if it's just for one day.
I hate to say this, but the only way this works for the Wolves is as a salary dump so forget about unloading Banks.
KT is on the last year of his contract and Marion is on the last two and could leave as early as next year. Another option would be to do it as part of a three way with the Celtics to get the number 5.
In that second scenerio, it would get the Wolves four first round picks over the next two years. In the summer of 2008, they would be at least $10 million under the cap. At the same time, KG has a player option, so he could very well be gone leaving the Wolves with nothing to start over with. In this context, the Mike James for Juwan Howard deal makes some sense since he has a shorter contract.
I'm not convinced that this kind of pure salary dump for picks is likely, but neither am I convinced that the expendible players of the Bulls makes them a contender either.
KT is on the last year of his contract and Marion is on the last two and could leave as early as next year. Another option would be to do it as part of a three way with the Celtics to get the number 5.
In that second scenerio, it would get the Wolves four first round picks over the next two years. In the summer of 2008, they would be at least $10 million under the cap. At the same time, KG has a player option, so he could very well be gone leaving the Wolves with nothing to start over with. In this context, the Mike James for Juwan Howard deal makes some sense since he has a shorter contract.
I'm not convinced that this kind of pure salary dump for picks is likely, but neither am I convinced that the expendible players of the Bulls makes them a contender either.
Ya, Im very skeptical too.. But at least its killing my Sunday bordem..
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slinslin
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Boston couldn't make that offer.
1. KG would not want to go to Boston imo, which means the Celtics wouldn't even be interessted really.
2. Boston can't match KG's contract realistically.
Shawn Marion is a lot easier to trade for value than Kevin Garnett simply because of contracts.
KG is also a lot less likely to opt out because NO TEAM can realisitcally sign him for anywhere even close to his current contract.
Please lets see what Shaq got the Lakers. Lamar Odom and a young role player in Caron Butler that they shipped after one year for Kwame Brown.
Lets see what Iverson fetched, Andre Miller, Joe Smith and 2 future first rounders that won't be lottery picks.
If you think Minnesota is getting hosed when they get 20 M$ expiring contracts, a #5 pick, a likely lottery pick and 2 more first round picks for KG that is nuts.
Like I said
Minnesota gets
Theo Ratliff, Marcus Banks, Kurt Thomas, #5, #29, Atlantas pick in 2008 and Phoenix pick in 2009.
Boston gets
Shawn Marion
Phoenix gets
Kevin Garnett
Delonte West
Tru dat!
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then how about trading Amare + Kurt + Banks for Kobe and Bynum....
Suns completely retool.. hehe, so much for tweaking... tweaking Nash's weapons yeah.. but the team is almost new.
Nash
Bell
Kobe
Garnett
Bynum
Diaw
Barbosa (assuming PHX find another way to satisfy MIN)
That team is relatively young, old and players on their prime... brilliant... err.. kinda.
Suns completely retool.. hehe, so much for tweaking... tweaking Nash's weapons yeah.. but the team is almost new.
Nash
Bell
Kobe
Garnett
Bynum
Diaw
Barbosa (assuming PHX find another way to satisfy MIN)
That team is relatively young, old and players on their prime... brilliant... err.. kinda.
joshstmarie
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take this for what its worth...i used to work at majerles and my old manager is good friends with the trainers on the suns.... i just shot him a text and asked if he had heard anything about kg to the suns, he replied about 10 min later and said he called one of his boys (im assuming one of the trainers as i would think thats the only real source he would have.) and said he hadnt heard anything as of yet. yea its only a trainer and maybe hes not ontop of every deal and trade rumor but im guessing he would hear something... just my two cents.
p.s. hi chris =D
p.s. hi chris =D
Diamondback Jay
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So, for the greatest player in the history of the Minnesota Timberwolves franchise, they get cap relief in a few years, Marcus Banks, a low first and a couple of "What If" picks? Sorry, the only gem here is the 5th pick in the draft, and even that's not worth Garnett.
dodie53
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when i joined this board last January, many criticize me about shortcutting words like that..
someone even PM'ed me asking me if english is my native language, which is not..
btw,
i'm not criticizing you steel, just want to bring it up.
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Its about not letting Garnett walk for nothing...
The next 2 seasons, the Wolves will not contend or even make the playoffs. You get young now and you get picks for the future... so in 2-3 years wolves young investments are matured and ready to compete for the next decade.
The next 2 seasons, the Wolves will not contend or even make the playoffs. You get young now and you get picks for the future... so in 2-3 years wolves young investments are matured and ready to compete for the next decade.
dodie, then they are lucky I didn't see it. If I had I would have defended you and told them to STHU. There is nothing wrong with using lingo or speak. After all, most of internet chat is based on slang words and terms.
It's one thing to write an entire post sounding like that. However, dropping a word here or there is fine by me brother.
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Fixed it for you
dodie53
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Bad teams with one superstar are constantly stuck in this trap. They can't get better because his salary limits getting top free agents and most trades are for nice players who can get you to the playoffs but not much further. Often, they can't even get that much.
The Wolves situation with KG is very different than the Suns with Marion. The Suns are already serious contenders, so getting cap space doesn't do them much good on the court. It doesn't even lead to their own pick becoming valuable because the remaining players are still very good.
The main counter argument is that teams like the Hawks (dumping Ratliff and SAR) didn't improve. But this is because they wasted so many of their picks, not that keeping Ratliff and SAR would have done them much).
In any case, it is always a horribly difficult decision to move a talent like KG no matter what. Considering the relative salaries and ages, it would be very unlikely the Suns would give up Amare. It really does have to be mostly about cap space.
Chaplin
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Well, interesting to say the least, but either nobody is listening to sports radio in Phoenix, or nobody is talking about it, which tells me that it's a non-story right now. Some of the posts are saying that they are in negotiations, others are saying that the trade went down last night...
There's just too much unknown to take this seriously.
There's just too much unknown to take this seriously.
Ever the dissident here, I see no need to rip it up and start over. We had a real shot this year and barely missed, in great part due to a fluke set of circumstances.
I keep them together, trust Diaw to come in in shape, expect Barbosa to be a lot wiser, and dump some bench players to add a couple of role players Kerr chooses.
that's me.
I keep them together, trust Diaw to come in in shape, expect Barbosa to be a lot wiser, and dump some bench players to add a couple of role players Kerr chooses.
that's me.
It depends. If your talking about trading Marion and another player I wouldn't call that starting over. However, if your talking about trading Amare plus our draft choices etc... then your right. Why bother with this trade. Doesn't make sense.
elindholm
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There really isn't much that could get me excited about next season except Garnett in a Phoenix uniform. The status quo isn't going to get it done. With Garnett they take a giant leap forward. As long as Nash and Stoudemire stay, I don't care who the other players are or which picks get shipped where.
Chaplin
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I'm pretty much with you Eric, and although I dislike Kobe the person, I feel the same about him as well.
I grudgeinly concede your argument but remain unconvinced. D'Antoni ball without Marion is something I'm not ready to try yet. We are too close.
I'm sorry, getting rid of Marion and adding Garnett wont change a thing. It makes us better, that's the only thing I see.
He can block shots and rebound just like Marion, and he can actually SCORE on his own with sick post ups and jumpers.
joshstmarie
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to add to this list....he can draw a damn foul.
